Dudes Suckin Dudes
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Wow. These poll results really fascinate me and I'm not sure exactly why. I know there is "gay-for-pay" in porn but have always rationalized that to be about the money and not the experience (let alone the desire).
The very enlightened discussion about the inadequacy of labels notwithstanding, I gotta admit I am surprised that almost equal numbers of self-described straight guys in this poll have given head to another straight guy as have never given head to any guy.
And, then again, a similar number of self-described straight guys have never given head to a guy but would consider it. That means, nearly one in three respondents to this survey are self-described straight guys who either already have given head to a gay or straight guy or would consider it.
All I hear from straight guys is the "ick" factor when it comes to man-to-man sex, so it kinda makes me happy to know that Kinsey's view of the continuum of human sexuality might in fact be true.
The very enlightened discussion about the inadequacy of labels notwithstanding, I gotta admit I am surprised that almost equal numbers of self-described straight guys in this poll have given head to another straight guy as have never given head to any guy.
And, then again, a similar number of self-described straight guys have never given head to a guy but would consider it. That means, nearly one in three respondents to this survey are self-described straight guys who either already have given head to a gay or straight guy or would consider it.
All I hear from straight guys is the "ick" factor when it comes to man-to-man sex, so it kinda makes me happy to know that Kinsey's view of the continuum of human sexuality might in fact be true.
Pene_Negro_Grande
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This poll is very interesting...Like I said I have done it before...It wasn't something I went out looking for but just something that happened...I just saw it as sex and nothing more...
Continuum, whatever... experimentation, whatever... labels, whatever... I'm still just not understanding how "two men having and enjoying sexual contact with one another," especially repeatedly, is "straight." Perhaps I am just a little dense.
"I only snort a few lines of crystal on before I go out to the club, so I'm not a drug-user."
"I put away a fifth of Evan Williams a week, but only on the weekends. I'm not an drinker."
Rationalizing does not change reality.
"I only snort a few lines of crystal on before I go out to the club, so I'm not a drug-user."
"I put away a fifth of Evan Williams a week, but only on the weekends. I'm not an drinker."
Rationalizing does not change reality.
That really doesn't make much sense. Having sex with men is not what straight men do, any more than having sex with men on a regular basis is what lesbians do. There is such a thing as bisexual, a person who prefers/enjoys sex with either gender.
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[/b][/quote]Agreed DC.
Until I came here I never even considered experimentation to leave someone as straight, but my views have changed to allow experimentation.
However, a regular thing where a guy would suck another guy off crosses into the sphere of at least being bi. If it's a repeat event, there has to be some attraction or a turn on taking place, so the guy in question surely isn't 100 or even 90% straight by any means.
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I agree. Like registering independent and then voting republican. (just when you thought this topic couldn't turn political!
) Action or words?Is the label to be descriptive of potential behavior or past behavior?
Or worse (and more likely) still, just an avoidance measure? Sad.
Let's all embrace the cloudiness.
But there are gay men who marry women and who would never consider having sex with anyone other than their wives: that does not mean that they're not gay. Sexuality is about what's in someone's mind, someone's psyche; it's not about what someone does with his mouth or genitals. A man can experiment with another man. He may discover that other men don't hold sexual attraction or romantic interest for him. Just because he tried it to see what all the fuss is about doesn't mean he has crossed the line into full-time ass piracy. Now, a guy who 'tries it' time after time after time ... I'm sorry, that indicates something other than mere curiosity.
But there are gay men who marry women and who would never consider having sex with anyone other than their wives: that does not mean that they're not gay. Sexuality is about what's in someone's mind, someone's psyche; it's not about what someone does with his mouth or genitals. A man can experiment with another man. He may discover that other men don't hold sexual attraction or romantic interest for him. Just because he tried it to see what all the fuss is about doesn't mean he has crossed the line into full-time ass piracy. Now, a guy who 'tries it' time after time after time ... I'm sorry, that indicates something other than mere curiosity.
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[/b][/quote]Exactly my point, DMW. That's why, in my posts, I used the word "repeatedly." Of course an experiment, especially in the younger, curious, formative years does not identify the orientation. Repeated acts over a period of time do not constitute experimentation - hence my lesbian and drug analogies.
And your reference to gay men married to women brings up another of my points - DENIAL. I could use Brucester as a good example. From reading many of his posts, I would definitely describe him as straight. He seems to have no problem with gays, but being straight, he just simply has no desire to have sexual contact with men. IMHO, that is what straight means. I am gay, I have nothing against women, and there are several women I love dearly, I just have no interest in having sex with them. That's what gay means. In between those two extremes, it would seem to me, are those individuals who are bisexually oriented. That means that they are neither straight nor gay.
A straight man who repeatedly has sexual contact with men is strikingly similar to the vegetarian who still eats steaks, pork chops, and fried chicken.
7x5.5: Never have, never had any desire to. The only reason I have labelled myself as 1% gay is because I can appreciate a good cock and body on a male when I see one - There is no sexual desire there, though
So, would you ever consider getting a bj from a guy or giving a guy head? Even for $$? Just curious
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I have two friends, one considers himself straight and has never fooled around with a guy, but has talked about it; the other has fooled around with me repeatedly and told me he doesn't know what he is.
From experience, I've seen a straight guy do the curiousity thing and mess around with a guy. Once or twice. Then there are the guys that do it more than that because they like it. So then, by "definition" they are bi.
I like to think of sexuality as a life experience. Being able to shift from one to another because of experience. I know a guy that did the "gay" thing but found it too much trouble and returned to the "straight" thing.
I suppose it really does matter what you believe. My friends consider me dangerous in straight clubs because I pick up guys there. I have a good radar for that. But the real question is, was my "game" that good or was this a guy that was already predisposed towards the idea, but never found the right guy to do it with.
I may never know.
From experience, I've seen a straight guy do the curiousity thing and mess around with a guy. Once or twice. Then there are the guys that do it more than that because they like it. So then, by "definition" they are bi.
I like to think of sexuality as a life experience. Being able to shift from one to another because of experience. I know a guy that did the "gay" thing but found it too much trouble and returned to the "straight" thing.
I suppose it really does matter what you believe. My friends consider me dangerous in straight clubs because I pick up guys there. I have a good radar for that. But the real question is, was my "game" that good or was this a guy that was already predisposed towards the idea, but never found the right guy to do it with.
I may never know.
7x5.5:
2 years ago I would have said no way, these days...although I don't feel any want for it, I think I might allow myself to try it once. 9/10 times if the oppurtunity arose I would turn it down, but if I was in a daring mood...I think I would try it just one time!
So, would you ever consider getting a bj from a guy or giving a guy head? Even for $$? Just curious
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[/b][/quote]2 years ago I would have said no way, these days...although I don't feel any want for it, I think I might allow myself to try it once. 9/10 times if the oppurtunity arose I would turn it down, but if I was in a daring mood...I think I would try it just one time!
I have a very dear friend who is 100% gay. He uses AOL chat rooms to pick guys up and has a variety of chat names, each with an accompanying persona. One of these personae is a straight guy who's wife or girlfiend is away. He expresses curiousity in a series of contacts with someone then "allows" himself to be convinced to go to the other guys house. Once there, after some prodding and reassurance he agrees to let the other guy blow him. Then he pretends to freak out and runs out of the house.
2 years ago I would have said no way, these days...although I don't feel any want for it, I think I might allow myself to try it once. 9/10 times if the oppurtunity arose I would turn it down, but if I was in a daring mood...I think I would try it just one time!
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[/b][/quote]Not that I am trying to give you a hard time at all but I think you just proved my point. There is such a continuum and an absolute no, never would I let another guy blow me doesn't exist for some straight guys. Granted, you say, "if I was in a daring mood...", etc... I think a lot of straight guys have all the "if this, if that.... I might consider it, if I were daring" but usually it is never a NO! Period! There's all the catches that everything would have to be aligned and just right in order for you to agree to it, which would probably never really happen but there is always that part of you that says, "well, maybe so.... if I were really desperate".
