Dumb things Americans have been told to believe

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  1. helgaleena

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    16 of the Dumbest Things Americans Believe -- And the Right-Wing Lies Behind Them | | AlterNet

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    • Nearly one-fifth of Americans think Obama is a Muslim. Thanks, Fox news, for acting like this was a matter of opinion, not fact.
    • 25 percent of Americans don’t believe in Darwin’s theory of evolution while less than 40 percent do. Consider the fact that several of our newly elected officials, specifically newly elected Kansas Governor Sam Brownback, share that belief.
    • Earlier this year, nearly 40 percent of Americans still believed the Sarah Palin-supported lie about "death panels" being included in health care reform.
    • As of just a few years ago, about half of Americans still suspected a connection between Saddam Hussein and the attacks of September 11, a lie that was reinforced by none other than Dick Cheney.
    • While a hefty amount of this demonstrable cluelessness gets better as the respondents get younger, all is not well in the below-30 demographic. A majority of “young Americans” cannot identify Iraq or Afghanistan--the places their peers are fighting and dying--on a map.
    • Two out of five Americans, despite the whole separation of church and state being a foundation of our democracy thing, think teachers should be able to lead prayer in classrooms. So it seems those right-wingers clamoring to tear down the wall between church and state aren’t the only ones who don’t know their constitutional principles.
    • Many Americans still believe in witchcraft, ESP and other supernatural phenomena. Does that explain why Christine O’Donnell was so quick to deny her “dabbling”?
    • Speaking of antiquated religious beliefs, about a decade ago, 20 percent of Americans still believed that the sun revolves around the earth. That's just sad, considering that even the Vatican has let Galileo off the hook for being right.
    • Only about half of Americans realize that Judaism is the oldest of the three monotheistic religions. Other examples of wild misunderstanding about religion and the separation of church and state can be found in this fall’s Pew survey on Americans’ religious knowledge.
    • This one made a huge splash when it appeared. In 2006 more Americans were able to name two of the “seven dwarves” than two of the Supreme Court justices. And that was before Kagan and Sotomayor showed up. To be fair, Happy and Sleepy are easy to remember.
    • More Americans can identify the Three Stooges than the three branches of government--you know, the ones who are jockeying over our welfare.
    I can't say I don't believe a couple of these things myself, but in another place in the article, they are being told that Obama has raised taxes! despite their being lowered for most of us...we are a laughing stock.
     
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    One of the dumb things that Americans believe is the fear mongering lie that the bail out was necessary. Otherwise, they are told, the economy would collapse. That, they believe, is worse that a terrorist attack. That was a left wing lie that no right wing lie has matched. I'm nor D or R. I'm not even an American. I'm an African but I live here.
     
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    Left wing lie? I thought TARP was the project of George Bush and Hank Paulson...And QE was the project of Ben Bernanke?

    And what is your intuition as to whose bacon was saved by propping up the financial system?
     
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    A couple of pointers here -

    Judahism isn't it's Zoroastrianism - Nb Freddie Mercury.

    Secondly - Judahism only really started with the collation of the Babylon Talmud, which is possibly as late as 2nd century AD. If you determine that the Judahism is Talmud led - laws derived by rabbis not god, & not Torah led, then it certainly isn't. There certainly was no religion called Judahism BC. Israelite, Hebrews (?) possibly.

    I think the Karaite sect probably is the oldest of the Israelite as unlike the others, they never lost the Torah for decades (apparently), & simply can't understand why religious identity was now passed on the mother's side, when the Torah is basically about men. Possibly they should be considered number 2.

    The second point is Galileo also thought that the sun was the centre of the universe! So on that point, the Vatican had him. Lol.

    Who knows what Obama really is - who care's? It's not like he has a baptism certificate on show. He does smoke a lot - that not a good muslim thang.

    Theory of evolution, well Darwin's has been modified an awful lot, & there are disparate sides - the evangelical zealot Dawkins, & the late great Stephen J Goulding. There are wholes in it everywhere, which in time will hopefully be ironed out (so it is a matter of faith), but there are always in science endless other possibilities -(Nobel prize winning DNA helix discoverers don't share the full view at all) & like religion it's important to escape dogma.
     
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    One of the most annoying habits my maternal grandmother (who despised intellectualism and any form of education beyond rudimentary literacy) was to start off sentences with "They say...". She would then proceed to toss out some of the silliest, most superstitious nonsense ever heard. It's a habit she passed first to my mother, then to my sister, whom I've never been able to break of the habit :mad:

    "They say..." is a convenient catch-phrase because it presumes a kind of ambivalence about whatever pearl of wisdom that follows, as does the expression "...seems logical...": they're not saying it's true, just that it's being said. If, by some odd chance, there's a grain of actual truth hidden anywhere, then they're vindicated; if not, then it's easy enough to shrug and say "Who are they, anyway?"

    This kind of passive-aggressive "information" passing predates the endlessly forwarded e-mail by decades (if not centuries), but they share the same pedigree. Gossip is not journalism, and just because it's heard (or read) doesn't make it true. But as long as the gossip, disinformation and ignorance coincide with one's own set of beliefs, then one feels justified in propagating them.

    Ignorance sucks.
     
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    What are you smoking, crackoff?
    That was the single stupidest post I've ever read from you.
    What little is true, is obvious.
    What isn't obvious is nonsense.

    For the record, it's Stephen J. Gould.

    If you were a little more grammatical, it might help.
    What, for example, does this even mean?
    "Judahism isn't it's Zoroastrianism - Nb Freddie Mercury."

    Where does that 'h' come from?

    I ask again: What are you smoking?
     
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    I put it in to tempt you
    I left it there to please you
    You took the sinker, hook & line
    It's so much fun to tease you!

    You're getting quite predictable. Heehaw!
     
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    There are also large numbers of Americans who believe that Obama raised their taxes, that he is a "socialist", that the Holocaust is a gross exaggeration, a plot in fact, to discredit the Germans, that Sarah Palin actually has a working brain, and that the Tooth Fairy will come if you place your tooth under a pillow...

    so what else is new??
     
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    The only one I don't think is absurd is #1
     
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    As an act of mercy ... and high, high optimism ... I'm going to believe you.
    Still, if it looks like a cracker, walks like a cracker, cracks like a cracker ... it may just be a cracker.
    You wouldn't want to do this act too persuasively.
    But too late for that.
    Innit?
     
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    Well, yes, but in common American discourse, Zoroastrianism isn't really ever brought up. (Plus, Akhenaten's sun-disk religion predated Zoroastrianism:biggrin1:)

    No, the Vatican felt the universe was geocentric, so the were slightly wronger. (See? I can be pedantic too!)

    I'm not quite sure what point you were making here. Yes, Darwin got stuff wrong, and, yes, a lot has been corrected in the ensuing century-and-a-half. The issue at hand whenever somebody denounces evolution or "Darwinism" is willful ignorance of a vast wealth of scientific fact, often with nothing more than either millennia-old stories or half-baked pseudoscience *cough*intelligentdesign*cough*. Science is self-correcting; there's no scientific "dogma," just heaps and heaps of well-supported theories.
     
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    Zoroastrianism is technically a dualistic faith though. Granted Angra Mainyu/Aka Mainyu isn't a god, at least not after it was transmuted by Zoroaster into the hypostasis of the Druj, but even after Ahriman became Angra Mainyu Zoroastrianism continued to view the universe as dominated by two distinct animating forces, Good- Ahura Mazda, and Evil- Angra Mainyu/Aka Mainyu which exist independently of one another and uncreated by one another.

    If you view Zoroastrianism in this light it isn't technically a completely monotheistic faith.

    It's probably fair to mark the beginning of Judaism (as we know it now) at the compilation of the Babylonian Talmud though. We know ancient Hebrews/Israelites worshiped plenty of other gods at various points in history prior to this time.
     
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    While not wishing to restart a debate - I cheerfully agree with you, whilst pointing out the statements "scientific fact" & "Science is self correcting" are very contradictory.

    A fact is a fact. Maths is axiomatic within the boundaries it sets. We don't have perfect knowledge, so what science has is a relative consensus, which literally means that any belief can possibly be completely inverted. e.g the universe is expanding/contracting, glacial advancement/decline.

    Scientists throughout history have always vigorously protected their (as it turned out) unfounded, or incorrect, beliefs as well, which is why though I agree with its wisdom,necessity & importance, it is always essential to be challenging,sceptical & provocative - not lost in one's own mythos.

    A bit like this guy - he's great!
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/m...l=1&adxnnlx=1287586833-dv2G0ajksJEBJykFwDApSQ

    OK! Nice point, well made - It does seem though from both your answers, that knowledge heralded in the article is incomplete - which is a point I'm glad you've made. And I've learned something new too!
     
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    Even educated and informed people are concerned with Barack Hussein Obama's ties with Islam.

    - One of his first speeches was a palsy, empathetic speech to Muslims - not in the U.S.

    - He was raised as a Muslim

    - His views and statements about Islam have been very positive

    - He takes part in all Islamic celebrations - including one this week I might add... Eid al-Adha

    I could go on, but no one is paying attention...
     
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    We're all paying attention.
    What you fail to realize is that when it comes to a religious belief, THAT CAN CHANGE THE SAME WAY YOU CHANGE YOUR UNDERWEAR. Doesn't matter how you were raised, who you're nice to or what holidays you celebrate. Stop the bullshit already. This Islamophobia nonsense is without a doubt one of the DUMBEST things going on in our nation today. The only people "concerned" are a bunch of over zealous nationalists who got it in their minds that the only way to be an American is to look, act and talk like them. Fuck that bullshit.
     
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    That's because of your Dallastude.
     
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    If you change your religious beliefs the same way you change your underwear, then... they really aren't very important. I will argue you on that point because religion is also indoctrination, brainwashing and so forth.

    I don't care if he IS a Muslim, I just think he hides behind masks of what he wants people to think. Most all Presidents do to a certain extent.

    I consider all religions to be dangerous, Islam just happens to be on the top of the list.
     
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    Ultimately, your religious beliefs isn't important. Whether or not you're a Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist or whatever has no reflection as to how someone can do their job.

    No. Obama is who he is. He's not hiding anything just because he doesn't answer questions or do things that you want him to do.

    What a way to contradict yourself, dude.
    From my angle, they're all fucked up. I've seen enough damage done through the guise of religion that I will never defend one over the other. Seriously, when does the discrimination stop already? Or has someone from the plantation filed their request to change my name to Toby over the last 24 hours? :rolleyes:
     
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    :usa1:This thread has done its job and got everybody trying to show that they are smarter than the average American! :popcorn:

    Obama was not raised a Muslim, he simply spent formative years in southeast Asia, which is largely Muslim.

    I observe Xmas even though I am no longer an Xtian. Why? because the holiday predates the faith. Many world holidays do that. I also observe made up holidays like Mothers Day and Fathers Day and Labor Day.

    There's a very nice Jackson Browne song called The Information Wars...
    YouTube - Information Wars Music Video
     
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