Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public

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as progressive as europeans can be, xenophobia is alive and well. as often non-progressive as americans can be, our constitution would never allow restricting this type of religious expression (no matter how distasteful). score one for thomas jefferson.

Jefferson had nothing to do with it. He was the US Minister to France at the time, and was in Paris during the entire Constitutional Convention. In fact he expressed serious reservations about the Constitution after Madison sent him a copy.
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Oops, didn't notice - this is one of those Grateful Thread revivals. What a waste of time.
 

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...and, if any more concrete proof were needed, take a look at this:

BBC NEWS | UK | Jury sees 21 July 'burka escape'

Yup, "burkas" are indesputably dangerous. We should also ban sunglasses, false mustaches, coloured contacts, wigs, high heels, false breasts, and girdles. Anything that can alter one's appearance so he/she may evade capture by law enforcement should be BANNED BANNED BANNED.
 

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It's not required under sharia law and it isn't a religious statement it's a political statement. It sets muslim women apart from the communities they have CHOSEN to live in, if they want to live in a certain country and partake of all the benefits (e.g not being subject to being hanged for adultery) they should abide by its customs and not want to recreate the very country they have left. We're very tolerant in Britain but how about some reciprocal tolerance for our ways and culture. The wearing of a cross in what is allegedly a Christian country can't be compared, a cross is in most cases seen not as a religious symbol but as pure ornament, and while most people aren't religious one of our queen's titles is still 'Defender of the Faith.' We bend over backwards to cater to other peoples religious freedoms while daily we're subjected to infringements on our ways of life (schools being told they can't celebrate Christmas in case it offends other faiths, not being able to fly the Union Flag in case it offends minorities) this is Britain and those things are part of British culture, a fact any member of a minority group was quite well aware of when he/she chose to come here. We have laws against inciting racial hatred, and against racism which are only applied to the majority, members of minority religious groups flout these under the banner of religious freedom. Tolerance cuts both ways.
 

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It's not required under sharia law and it isn't a religious statement it's a political statement. It sets muslim women apart from the communities they have CHOSEN to live in, if they want to live in a certain country and partake of all the benefits (e.g not being subject to being hanged for adultery) they should abide by its customs and not want to recreate the very country they have left. We're very tolerant in Britain but how about some reciprocal tolerance for our ways and culture. The wearing of a cross in what is allegedly a Christian country can't be compared, a cross is in most cases seen not as a religious symbol but as pure ornament, and while most people aren't religious one of our queen's titles is still 'Defender of the Faith.' We bend over backwards to cater to other peoples religious freedoms while daily we're subjected to infringements on our ways of life (schools being told they can't celebrate Christmas in case it offends other faiths, not being able to fly the Union Flag in case it offends minorities) this is Britain and those things are part of British culture, a fact any member of a minority group was quite well aware of when he/she chose to come here. We have laws against inciting racial hatred, and against racism which are only applied to the majority, members of minority religious groups flout these under the banner of religious freedom. Tolerance cuts both ways.
SpoiledPrincess, I agree with every single word of your argument. It is a pity that a certain poster from Newark sees fit to treat this important topic with a lame sarcasm not befitting of a moderator. His post is an insult to LPSG members, especially to those in Britain who may have been affected by the bombings carried out by these fifth columnists in our midst, and especially to the families of those murdered. His comments show a deep a lack of respect fostered by a total ignorance of what is happening daily in this country. I hope other moderators on this board who have served longer than 'joyboytoy79' [Join Date: Aug 2006/ Posts: 2,111:eek:] will urge this person to post an apology, and ask him to do the decent thing and give up his role as mod until such time as he is informed enough to post reasoned comments worthy of LPSG, instead of sub-schoolboy 'humour'.
I should add that if I am banned for criticising a moderator, it is a price I am willing to pay.
 

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I live in a Muslim area, and I live near Algate and was in the "invisible circle of death" when the bombs blew meaning I was stranded in London, hoping that no one I knew decided to arrive to take a train journey.

In short, yeah, let's beat the terrorists by KILLING AND HUMILIATING ALL MUSLIMS that'll show those terrorists that we really are above them and that their cowardly tactics don't force us to stoop to their level.

AFAIK the political correctness BS is instigated by white people...especially since very few minorities have a say in how the government is run and even fewer in legal circles. If we hate a system, we can rebel against it, seems the British public is content to moan about politicians but not to kick their fat lazy arses. A pity.

Anyway, I want to wear a satanism cross without being beaten up by priests, I feel discriminated against!
 

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In short, yeah, let's beat the terrorists by KILLING AND HUMILIATING ALL MUSLIMS that'll show those terrorists that we really are above them and that their cowardly tactics don't force us to stoop to their level.

Who's killing Muslims in London?

AFAIK the political correctness BS is instigated by white people...especially since very few minorities have a say in how the government is run and even fewer in legal circles. If we hate a system, we can rebel against it, seems the British public is content to moan about politicians but not to kick their fat lazy arses. A pity.

Well, BS isn't restricted to white folk. You are a member of the British public remember, so do you kick polictical arses on a regular basis? No? Pity.
 

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Who's killing Muslims in London?
People, obviously. The number of race motivated attacks seems to have gone up. You won't find such trivialities on the BBC website though.

Well, BS isn't restricted to white folk. You are a member of the British public remember, so do you kick polictical arses on a regular basis? No? Pity.
I don't want to be jailed under the terrorism act (28 days interrogation, no trial and indefinate house arrest? Na-huh). When it comes to defending "Britain" consider that in this country, terrorists kill far less than murderers, yet the people in power have more reason to fear them. Me, I'll worry about not getting stabbed in the Aldgate underpass.
 

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People, obviously. The number of race motivated attacks seems to have gone up. You won't find such trivialities on the BBC website though.

Indeed, but the Home Office don't want such things to mess up those nice crime stats the Met is so proud of.:smile:

I don't want to be jailed under the terrorism act (28 days interrogation, no trial and indefinate house arrest? Na-huh). When it comes to defending "Britain" consider that in this country, terrorists kill far less than murderers, yet the people in power have more reason to fear them. Me, I'll worry about not getting stabbed in the Aldgate underpass.

Then criticising others for having the same attitude seems rather hypocritical don't ya think? Still, talk is cheap. I've not been down Aldgate way for ages other than driving, has it got that bad?
 

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You're alive!

I'd quote from the East London Advertiser's website, but sleep and me need to get aquainted.

As for my political stance, I'm nihlistic, at the end of the day, I know my opnion matters and don't state mine in public or believe it would make a different, especially since my opinions are either "odd" or "let-thinking". I'm amused that the people who DO CARE about this country though, aren't the ones doing something about it, as far as I'm concerned, if shit and fan really introduced myself, then there are places in the world I'd be accepted with open arms.