East area killer had a small penis

[someperson]

I agree with you. Although, I have not read any reports of it not being legal. While I do think it was a bit terrifying their approach, I'm sure they wouldn't have booked him if they didn't feel they could convict him.

the issue was the DNA was from a family member and not him

So it's hard to convict
if I was a member of that jury he would go free because they did not have his specifically... they conducted the "illegal" search on a "family member" (as well as many others that had similar dna ) else which was not a lawful "search".. see 4th amendment..
the law has to be handed down to the cops. who did the illegal search. so they have to start over..

 

[AtYourCervix10]

I don't know anything about this. I'm not a lawyer. And I haven't read any reliable news articles, but it is all very fascinating to me. And honestly, after bungling the case for over 30 years, I wouldn't be surprised if the police messed it up again.

Their clumsiness and tone deafness was further evidenced in that Press Conference where they were all gathered around patting themselves on the back; offering little information about the case. If a pizza showed up 30 years late, I wouldn't be thanking the delivery guy and awarding him Employee of the Month.

the issue was the DNA was from a family member and not him

So it's hard to convict
if I was a member of that jury he would go free because they did not have his specifically... they conducted the "illegal" search on a "family member" (as well as many others that had similar dna ) else which was not a lawful "search".. see 4th amendment..
the law has to be handed down to the cops. who did the illegal search. so they have to start over..

 

[keenobserver]

the issue was the DNA was from a family member and not him

So it's hard to convict
if I was a member of that jury he would go free because they did not have his specifically... they conducted the "illegal" search on a "family member" (as well as many others that had similar dna ) else which was not a lawful "search".. see 4th amendment..
the law has to be handed down to the cops. who did the illegal search. so they have to start over..

Not quite. The original DNA was HIS DNA, from victims. His DNA was not on file, but using a site that tests DNA for hereditary searches, they found ancestors of his, and narrowed the field. The comparison test was done with trash he was witnessed throwing away. That is where the exact match came from. Game. Set. Match. For the DNA they collected they did not need a warrant or even cause - it is publicly available through the sites. The information that allowed them to make 25 different family trees is publicly available. All of this pointed to a particular family that the suspect might be a part of - it merely narrowed down the list of possibilities.

The technique they used was rare, but not illegal because they did not need warrants or permission.

 

[someperson]

Not quite. The original DNA was HIS DNA, from victims. His DNA was not on file, but using a site that tests DNA for hereditary searches, they found ancestors of his, and narrowed the field. The comparison test was done with trash he was witnessed throwing away. That is where the exact match came from. Game. Set. Match. For the DNA they collected they did not need a warrant or even cause - it is publicly available through the sites. The information that allowed them to make 25 different family trees is publicly available. All of this pointed to a particular family that the suspect might be a part of - it merely narrowed down the list of possibilities.

The technique they used was rare, but not illegal because they did not need warrants or permission.

exactly they did not since they "forced them"..





see the EULA
Raw DNA data uploaded to GEDmatch.Com remains the property of the person who uploaded it..

Because of that they did not have a warrant to that
since it is considered "property "
in order to search property you need a warrant.. they had none so it will be suppressed for sure and will end in a mistrial. or not guilty cause someone fucked up

 

[keenobserver]

exactly they did not since they "forced them"..





see the EULA
Raw DNA data uploaded to GEDmatch.Com remains the property of the person who uploaded it..

Because of that they did not have a warrant to that
since it is considered "property "
in order to search property you need a warrant.. they had none so it will be suppressed for sure and will end in a mistrial. or not guilty cause someone fucked up

Since the DNA is routinely compared to other DNA on the site, the privacy policy is not exclusive. It would limit selling the dna, or using it for other reasons like testing or experimenting. Scanning the make-up would not be covered. The search will stand.

 

[AtYourCervix10]

Someperson, you seem to know what you're talking about. I'm curious if you're correct. If so, this could be the most botched case of all time, save OJ.

All the news today and tomorrow seems about unsealing the sealed search warrants. again, i'm not a lawyer so i don't know where this is ultimately headed. I would imagine if i was defending this guy i would be aimed on finding the ways the police unlawfully invaded his privacy, etc...

I guess time will tell how competent they are.

I also read that they want to examine his body too to see if his characteristics match. i guess to see how small his penis may actually be.

Since the DNA is routinely compared to other DNA on the site, the privacy policy is not exclusive. It would limit selling the dna, or using it for other reasons like testing or experimenting. Scanning the make-up would not be covered. The search will stand.

 

[someperson]

Since the DNA is routinely compared to other DNA on the site, the privacy policy is not exclusive. It would limit selling the dna, or using it for other reasons like testing or experimenting. Scanning the make-up would not be covered. The search will stand.

that is limited to private parties cops are not private parties..

'Private' DNA data is not available for comparisons with other people.

clearly it was selected as a private data that is why they were "forced" to give up the data..since they did not have a warrant for that particular user aka the person who was a family member.. it was not lawful. it should be enforced and the cops dismissed (aka fired) also these cops should have all the other cases reviewed as well.


bet one of the cops lied

 

[AtYourCervix10]

Wow. if this is true, this is terrifying. I mean, for them to tar and feather a guy based on ill gotten, illegal evidence should terrify us all. and then for them to pat themselves on the back afterwards is equally horrifying.

granted, if the guy is guilty, then in some realms it's great they caught him. but for all of us law abiding citizens, such a wide breach of law by those who enforce it, is terrifying.

The irony has not been lost on me either -- that this is a cop who was a murderer, being caught by cops who further break legal laws -- if that is the true dynamic going on here, we should all be shaking in our shoes.

Someguy you should go help represent this guy.

that is limited to private parties cops are not private parties..

'Private' DNA data is not available for comparisons with other people.

clearly it was selected as a private data that is why they were "forced" to give up the data..since they did not have a warrant for that particular user aka the person who was a family member.. it was not lawful. it should be enforced and the cops dismissed (aka fired) also these cops should have all the other cases reviewed as well.


bet one of the cops lied

 

[someperson]

Wow. if this is true, this is terrifying. I mean, for them to tar and feather a guy based on ill gotten, illegal evidence should terrify us all. and then for them to pat themselves on the back afterwards is equally horrifying.

granted, if the guy is guilty, then in some realms it's great they caught him. but for all of us law abiding citizens, such a wide breach of law by those who enforce it, is terrifying.

The irony has not been lost on me either -- that this is a cop who was a murderer, being caught by cops who further break legal laws -- if that is the true dynamic going on here, we should all be shaking in our shoes.

Someguy you should go help represent this guy.

what they should have done is collect it the old fashion way by asking him to come in for questioning. or get it from a discarded "glass of water or soda can". . etc..


it just shows how rigged the system is. fair trial my ass..

this way they can't accuse him.. without proof.



they could have just followed him tell he did a traffic violation. or fix it ticket and got the dna from the pen. or from trash he discarded

 

[keenobserver]

what they should have done is collect it the old fashion way by asking him to come in for questioning. or get it from a discarded "glass of water or soda can". . etc..


it just shows how rigged the system is. fair trial my ass..

this way they can't accuse him.. without proof.



they could have just followed him tell he did a traffic violation. or fix it ticket and got the dna from the pen. or from trash he discarded

They got the sample of his from his discarded trash. They accessed the data base the same way any customer would, for essentially the same purpose. No laws were broken, the evidence will stand up, the means to obtain it will stand up. They got there man the old fashioned way - with good old fashioned leg work and using every resource at their legal command.

 

[someperson]

They got the sample of his from his discarded trash. They accessed the data base the same way any customer would, for essentially the same purpose. No laws were broken, the evidence will stand up, the means to obtain it will stand up. They got there man the old fashioned way - with good old fashioned leg work and using every resource at their legal command.

i'm talking about after the database search not before


since they went directly after him after the database search
if they wanted it to be legit. they should have followed him and retrieve a discarded item from the street etc... from 2018 just in case you don't get it

 

[keenobserver]

i'm talking about after the database search not before


since they went directly after him after the database search
if they wanted it to be legit. they should have followed him and retrieve a discarded item from the street etc... from 2018 just in case you don't get it

He did not become a person of interest until the data base search analyzed and compared his DNA. That gave them leads to build 25 family trees and eliminate suspects. In that sense, the police were merely another customer submitting DNA for a family gene search. When they narrowed it down to two possible matches, they then got the DNA sample from his personally discarded trash. I get it, believe me.

 

[sodominsane]

what they should have done is collect it the old fashion way by asking him to come in for questioning. or get it from a discarded "glass of water or soda can". . etc..


it just shows how rigged the system is. fair trial my ass..

this way they can't accuse him.. without proof.



they could

Wow ...when I think "old fashion way"....I think butter churns...horses and buggys

In terms of investigative techniques....popes pear...or Sherlock Holmes magnifying glass

I don't think collecting data for a forensic lab

 

[someperson]

Wow ...when I think "old fashion way"....I think butter churns...horses and buggys

In terms of investigative techniques....popes pear...or Sherlock Holmes magnifying glass

I don't think collecting data for a forensic lab

your one of those people who think there is No duplicate finger prints
even though it's a proven fact that two people can have the same exact finger print

 

[AtYourCervix10]

Well we'll all know in the next year or so how it plays out.

your one of those people who think there is No duplicate finger prints
even though it's a proven fact that two people can have the same exact finger print

 

[sodominsane]

your one of those people who think there is No duplicate finger prints
even though it's a proven fact that two people can have the same exact finger print

Nope.....I have heard that.....I have also heard that finger print tech has never really gone through the peer review and scientific scrutiny that it should

I also suspect lie detector tests are bullshit

I have been given lie detector test 4 times....came back incuclusive each time.....I can't be unique

Not in the field of law or law enforcement.....so my "expertise" is just watching a true crime every now and then

 

[554279]

So few weeks back I guess there was the "I can't laid made me a terrorist" gig and now this shit. So I wonder what the medical term for this will be "Small Dick Angry Man" syndrome?

I hate crazy motherfuckers, that really ain't that crazy, that have to get an excuse for making the world miserable. Stop fucking crying.

If you think your dick is small then go learn to eat some pussy, by an extender, a pump, jerk off more, go fucking crazy and invent a world of imaginary big monster cocks like wally or whatever but don't be an asshole.

Hope they catch him and shoot him in his dick, then the fuck wad will really have something to be mad about over his dick. Fucking turn him over to wally for punishment.

 

[thirteenbyseven]

Attention please! Penis size is about to go mainstream, at least if the penis in question is a micro-phallus. The topic was discussion on a 50,000 watt clear channel am radio show this morning.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-golden-state-killer-legal-standoff-20180502-story.html

"Prosecutors specifically asked that photographs be taken of his genitals."

The female co-host innocently inquired "Why would they want that?"

"Because every woman who was raped mentioned that he was hung like a hamster!"

 

[thirteenbyseven]

Gee that didn't take long, only enough time for them to run-out and find a camera with the strongest magnification for his genital photographs.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-golden-state-killer-evidence-20180503-story.html

 

[keenobserver]

Nope.....I have heard that.....I have also heard that finger print tech has never really gone through the peer review and scientific scrutiny that it should

I also suspect lie detector tests are bullshit

I have been given lie detector test 4 times....came back incuclusive each time.....I can't be unique

Not in the field of law or law enforcement.....so my "expertise" is just watching a true crime every now and then

Lie detectors can be affected by several things on the part of the "suspect" and by one or two things by the operator. This is why they are not used as evidence in court. As a tool, the technology has improved to an amazingly precise level, however the human variables on both ends of it can create false positives and false negatives. Inconclusive occurs when the positives and negatives don't remain consistent. DNA is different, fingerprints are different.