ive been edging for about a year now(always with a cockring) and find there are 2 techniques to have orgasms without ejaculating. i dont really use a time frame. i mostly keep track of how many times i bring myself to the point of no return without ejaculating. #1. stroking my cock until the point of no return and barely past,remove my hand, and clinch my pc muscle as hard as i can holding on for dear life hoping my pc muscles will out battle my ejaculation. the feeling is highly pleasurable and hurts like hell at the same time. the stronger my pc muscles got the further i was able to go past the point of no return. after the first battle is won i normally subside till half erect before round 2. #2 stroking my cock until about 85% of point of no return. then doing the exact opposite of #1. totally relaxing the pc muscles while continuing stroking. when i reached the point (without going past) i will lightly rub my frenulum or glands staying right on the brink of going past. i can feel my cum draining to the base of my shaft begging to be released.with a lot of concentration i can stay at this point 2-10 minutes at a time. when i cant take any more its back down to half erect and start round 3. the feeling isnt as intense as #1, but it lasts longer, my cock is at its hardest state, and the precum leaks a lot(awesome), and works well for lube for my frenulum and glands. i alternate 1 and 2 over and over up to about 6 to 8 times. when i finally let it fly the results are twice the feeling, twice the amount of cum, and lasts twice as long. i read once that after an edging session like above if you let it go at the end of #2 and keep your pc muscles relaxed throughout the whole ejaculation, your cum will just slowly flow through your shaft and slowly ooze out of your cock. its supposed to be the best ejaculation ever. i have never achieved this. its almost impossible to keep from pumping your pc when its finally in route. the bad thing is i tried many times with no success, and in the failing attempt my orgasm looses intensity instead of pumping away. it puts a damper on all the time i invested in a session. searching for the holy grail of orgasms doesnt cum free. my questions are: 1 has anyone achieved this holy grail orgasm? if so whats the trick? 2 being that close to going over the edge. are those considered male multiple orgasms? 3 has anyone used the second technique while edging? and which do you like more? 4 are there any other edging techniques i dont know of ? if so explain how 5 does any one know of a different holy grail orgasm? and how do you get to it? this is my first post and would like some feedback(comments and thoughts) on it. if its suitable . message me if you want.