Eeeeuw you're creepy

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I think sometimes it's hard for me to tell who is really just a nice guy that wants to chat and who's really a creepy guy. But I draw the line. No one gets my phone number or address. I've been asked for both several times. There are some men and women I've met on the site that are absolutely wonderful to chat with. I've only had one person that I became slightly close to that turned out to be nothing like I thought they were and that was a female poster.

I don't cam with anyone. I just haven't, I'm not interested really I can watch online porn if that's what I'm after. I make sure that I'm clear on my boundaries. Asking me repeatedly for personal information puts you in the creepy category and I stop responding. My responses are the same as they are on the board. "No I don't wish for a mold of your penis," or "No you cannot have my cell phone number to send me a picture message..."

There are quite a few people that I will chit chat with about life in general, both male and female. Those people get good responses from me in the forum as well. There are a few that are right on the line of ???creepy??? that I keep my responses sort with. Normally the creepier they are the less chatty I am :eek:) As you told me so gently hiliare, some will wank over anything. Sometimes I'm rather shocked by it and sometimes I just find it plan amusing.... Seriously??!!
 

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Oh well in the real world absolutely!
We are, for the most part, aware of the ulterior motives that these guys have. It blends right in with the discussion of "why are all women such bitches when us poor 'nice guys' try to hard to be their friends" These are the guys who claim they do everything for a woman, listen to her problems, and she goes off and screws another guy. Go figure!! Well Mr "Nice Guy" it's because we know damn well you're not running my errands, or driving me around, or cleaning my gutters because you're just such a "nice guy". I think women are on to that kind of mentality. We get it. You don't think we get it but we get it :)
 

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Oh well in the real world absolutely!
We are, for the most part, aware of the ulterior motives that these guys have. It blends right in with the discussion of "why are all women such bitches when us poor 'nice guys' try to hard to be their friends" These are the guys who claim they do everything for a woman, listen to her problems, and she goes off and screws another guy. Go figure!! Well Mr "Nice Guy" it's because we know damn well you're not running my errands, or driving me around, or cleaning my gutters because you're just such a "nice guy". I think women are on to that kind of mentality. We get it. You don't think we get it but we get it :)


That's such a refreshing thing to hear! The "Nice Guy" is another variety of this kind of guy and his emotional blackmail of the "nice guy" is an aspect of this I hadn't included in my OP, and though I hadn't realised it this must be what makes my hacklles rise sometimes when I hear the sob stories of these kinds of guy, and the stuff about "nice guys" basically doing nice things purely for brownie points must be infuriating.


Real nice guys OTOH are a treasure, and anyone who does things for other people purely because they like being kind and helpful to other people is worth their weight in gold.
 
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I hardly put an exorbitant amount of thought in to it, and why would it be odd to be creeped out by skeevy guys who try to manipulate women by putting on a deceitful act? I do have a younger sister, and many female friends, is it so bizarre of me to be concerned on their behalf or to simply feel solidarity with them, being as I do come from a discriminated against group myself? And how is my OP a reflection on what people think of me?

That's twice you've decided to make comments about me, rather than actually address the subject matter of the OP.

Is there something about this subject which pisses you off? Is that why you're taking these passive aggressive potshots at me?

I was actually trying to take a potshot at you the first time, but then I realized that I was wrong. I am sorry for that, now I see that you're an ok person.

As for the subject matter of the original post, yes you're right, it happens. In fact I believe that even more complicated forms of deception, self-deception, and meta-deception occur during our various social interactions on a daily basis.

~T
 

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I was actually trying to take a potshot at you the first time, but then I realized that I was wrong. I am sorry for that, now I see that you're an ok person.

As for the subject matter of the original post, yes you're right, it happens. In fact I believe that even more complicated forms of deception, self-deception, and meta-deception occur during our various social interactions on a daily basis.

~T


Ah OK, well glad we sorted that out then, I can live with OK :tongue::wink:
 

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well il go to say that its THE FREAKING INTERNET, im honest as they come, thats why il never play to be a gentleman or politicaly correct. if im on a SEX site im looking for one thing and one thing only, MEANS TO GET OFF, im not gonna try and be your boyfriend or the perfect guy, il just come str8 to the point and be honest with my intentions which are most definetly sexual, if you agree with them and want to continue on then perfect if not who gives a shit, ITS THE INTERNET, men be honest grow a bair of balls and come clean to a lady you will be surprised how much it actually works, im not saying be like: "your hot lets fuck" have some style but dont bullshit and dont try to be the perfect wowens right advocate they just think ur gay or creepy or both

ps: sorry for my spelling but english is not my first language
 

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Ah OK, well glad we sorted that out then, I can live with OK :tongue::wink:

careful TBone...

Guys isn't it creepy when gay guys are all friendly and nice, just because they want your ass?

:biggrin1:






J/k... don't flip out Hilaire. :tongue:
 

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careful TBone...

Guys isn't it creepy when gay guys are all friendly and nice, just because they want your ass?

:biggrin1:






J/k... don't flip out Hilaire. :tongue:


:biggrin1: That's a laugh, like you need to pretend to be friendly and nice to score str8 guys on this site! :wink::biggrin1:
 

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The kind of phenomenon I'm describing is quite different, its where one participant in an interpersonal interaction (in this case a specific subset of men) deceitfully misrepresents themselves in order to obtain friendship from someone which they intend or at least hope to parlay in to sexual attention.

One man's deceit, is another's chair.
 

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Well... I don't cam, chat, etc. so I don't really evaluate individuals here for anything other than what they might have said in a particular post. Except the Gallery of course. I pay attention there but rarely go visit a particular profile from a pic.

Now that I've been here a while, I get to "know" a little about a personality here or there based upon a reaction to a particular topic. But writing on a public thread might not always come out the way the writer intended, as I know well. I try to give the benefit of the doubt unless they are just mean/hateful/spiteful. Period. Everyone has a "bad" moment or two, including myself. But, no. I don't check-out/refer back/police any person here. I'm sure there are some creepy people, but there's room for everyone and everyone and anyone here and the Mods do a great job trying to keep us cool.

I have read many flat out mean-spirtied posts by the same people over and over so I just move on. No need to me to reply even. I have also read some very wonderful things.

In the end tho, for me, if someone is creepy, I either do not reply or just ignore them all together.

I do know that some people end up meeting in person, and I can understand the caution of the OP.
 

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Note to self: I really need to stop asking women to be my future ex-wife. Makes me sound creepy instead of charmingly cute.

Honey, you are ALWAYS charmingly cute :tongue:



I completely agree with you that it may be the case that plenty of women choose to knowingly engage in this kind of manipulative form of seduction, and just like you I have no reason or right to question their choice. I wouldn't presume to speculate about the decisions consenting adults fully aware of the facts make about who they choose to engage with and have contact of any kind with.

To be honest, this actually sounds like something I'd do. I could easily see me recognising such a strategy and engaging in it anyway.

I do find the occasional poster creepy, but overall the creepy ones don't tend to bother me much in the long term. I might think they're creepy when I read their posts, but they don't stick in my mind enough that I thought of them when I read this thread.
 

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I just read this whole thread and didn't see a specific example of "creepy" behaviour cited.

If I were a cynical type of person, I might interpret the message thusly: Men who approach women reverentially and without an upfront sexual agenda are in fact "creeps" whose ulterior motives will only surface once their victims have let down all defenses.

Therfore, girls, best stick with what you know: Thugs, crude jocks and barbarians with the "decency" to come right out and tell you they only want to bend you over, pound you into submission then spin you around and come on your face.
 

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I just read this whole thread and didn't see a specific example of "creepy" behaviour cited.

What kind of behaviour would you need to have cited for you to get that men use deceitful ploys to get women in to bed? This is news to you? Considering that most of the women who've responded to this thread have indicated they're aware of this phenomenon, and indeed examples of it have been discussed you're either lying when you say you've read the thread or you're just not that good at reading.

If I were a cynical type of person, I might interpret the message thusly: Men who approach women reverentially and without an upfront sexual agenda are in fact "creeps" whose ulterior motives will only surface once their victims have let down all defenses.

You could read all these stupid generalisations in to statements which explicitly contradict them if you wanted. It wouldn't say much for your reading comprehension but whatever.

Reverence is an odd term to use, but in any case, I went to great lengths to point out that genuinely respectful men who are aware of the issues women have to face and who treat women as true equals and have no ulterior motives in doing so are not the subject of this thread, and nor did I imply or say that all men who display these traits must be presumed to be creeps. That's your own inference. Don't put your own unpleasant words in my mouth.


Therfore, girls, best stick with what you know: Thugs, crude jocks and barbarians with the "decency" to come right out and tell you they only want to bend you over, pound you into submission then spin you around and come on your face.


First off, the post isn't addressed to "girls" it addressed to adult women. Secondly I'm not handing out advice because I don't happen to think women are idiots who need me to tell them anything. Lastly if you're saying that the only choice women have is between men who pretend to be something they're not just to try to get them in bed and "thugs, crude jocks and barbarians" then either you have a incredibly negative attitude towards men, and see them in only two colours (neither of which is all that nice) or you need to get out more.

I certainly never indicated that this bleak choice you describe is the only one women have to make.


I can't believe I bothered to be polite to you, I just got up and "I'm not a morning person" is an absurd understatement, so frankly I could give a shit what you think and might just as easily have told you fuck yourself and learn to read and left it at that. :rolleyes:
 
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What kind of behaviour would you need to have cited for you to get that men use deceitful ploys to get women in to bed? This is news to you? Considering that most of the women who've responded to this thread have indicated they're aware of this phenomenon, and indeed examples of it have been discussed you're either lying when you say you've read the thread or you're just not that good at reading.

I'm well aware of the ploys various men will use in various situations to gain the sexual attention of women. However, in this particular forum, men have only one ploy to use: "conversation"' or more precisely, "online chat."

I asked for someone to show me a particular post which they believe illustrates a man feigning friendship or solidarity with women for ulterior, sexual motives. This thread includes not one such specific example. Hilaire, how do you differentiate between your "subset" of devious men and those genuinely offering friendship or support?

As for the rest of my admittedly overheated rant, let me put it this way instead:
Hilaire identified a particular type of guy with a specific approach to attracting women.

There's another kind of guy with a different approach: let's call him the "well-groomed knuckledragger." I know guys like this and I bet most of you do, too. He's probably college-educated, socially confident, white-collar. In a charming and well-reasoned manner he will tell you that men and women can never be just friends; that in any male-female interaction, if the woman is at all attractive then sex is at least in the back of the man's mind; and that all men, if honest with themselves, just want to fuck as many hot girls as they can, as often as they can. By implication these guys say to women: "All men are pigs. I, at least, let you know I'm a pig; moreover I, at least, am a clean, nonviolent pig who can afford to buy you some dinners and drinks and theater tickets while I pursue my goal of fucking your brains out. Aren't you better off with the devil you know?"

Sometimes I think I detect men using this ploy here on LPSG. Of course I cannot prove that's what they're doing. So I just call it human behaviour, and leave it at that.
 

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I'm well aware of the ploys various men will use in various situations to gain the sexual attention of women. However, in this particular forum, men have only one ploy to use: "conversation"' or more precisely, "online chat."

If you're so well aware of them why do you need documentary proof of them?


I asked for someone to show me a particular post which they believe illustrates a man feigning friendship or solidarity with women for ulterior, sexual motives. This thread includes not one such specific example. Hilaire, how do you differentiate between your "subset" of devious men and those genuinely offering friendship or support?

I made it perfectly clear to Drifterwood that naming and shaming people, a witch hunt as he put it, was not what this thread was about, and posting examples of the kinds post in question would amount to exactly that. In fact to do so would be entirely inappropriate.

Again though since you profess such familiarity with the duplicitous tactics some men will employ to get sexual attention from women why do you need these examples? Surely you know this kind of bullshit when you see it?

So at this point I take it you're distancing yourself from the absurd characterisation of the OP and contents of this thread you posted above? And I assume you realise that it contains no indication that the only choices women might have to make in choosing what men to associate with are between compulsive liars who pretend to be something they're not to get them in to the sack and neanderthals?

I could say that considering that this was the description you gave of the message of this thread that my "rant", as you call it, was in fact incredibly restrained, and not over heated in the least, especially since I hadn't even had my morning cup of tea at the time.





There's another kind of guy with a different approach: let's call him the "well-groomed knuckledragger." I know guys like this and I bet most of you do, too. He's probably college-educated, socially confident, white-collar. In a charming and well-reasoned manner he will tell you that men and women can never be just friends; that in any male-female interaction, if the woman is at all attractive then sex is at least in the back of the man's mind; and that all men, if honest with themselves, just want to fuck as many hot girls as they can, as often as they can. By implication these guys say to women: "All men are pigs. I, at least, let you know I'm a pig; moreover I, at least, am a clean, nonviolent pig who can afford to buy you some dinners and drinks and theater tickets while I pursue my goal of fucking your brains out. Aren't you better off with the devil you know?"

Sometimes I think I detect men using this ploy here on LPSG. Of course I cannot prove that's what they're doing. So I just call it human behaviour, and leave it at that.


While this kind of man isn't necessarily the ideal life partner, and undoubtedly this kind of man is a form of sexist I'm at a loss to see the connection with the kind of guy described in the OP.

The man you describe may have odious opinions, which one might not agree with but he is actually being honest about what he thinks. This allows his potential mates to assess him based on the reality of who he is.

The kind of man I'm describing is relatively good at disguising his real thoughts and feelings towards women, even if he isn't totally successful at pulling the wool over people's eyes. The only thing this allows anyone to make an assessment of him on is his dishonesty and untrustworthiness.

Both types of men are creeps but in completely different ways, and they employ completely contrasting strategies in attempting to get what they want.
 

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I made it perfectly clear to Drifterwood that naming and shaming people, a witch hunt as he put it, was not what this thread was about,

You may have made me well aware of what you meant, and thanks :rolleyes:, but you won't acknowledge what I said, namely that you have created a witch hunt by implication beyond what the women of LPSG, (who don't need you to tell them what is going on anyway), recognise and or deal with anyway.

You are by this association what you are vilifying.

The really interesting question is why.