Elizabeth warren identified herself as native ametican to gain an advantge

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It was dishonest. How should this be viewed? I would guess she keeps her senate position but does not run for the Democratic nomination for President.

I don't live in her state so I don't care about senate.

I won't be voting for her for president and this is a contributing factor (not that she did this, but the dodgy responses she originally gave to having done this).
 
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What 'advantage" did she gain? It was on an administrative, registration form for her application to the Texas Bar.

It wasn't on her application, she was already an accepted member of the bar, she wasn't applying for anything. It was on her registration card.

As for benefit, there exists possibility of benefit in identifying as a minority on such forms (certain businesses make efforts towards diversity and retaining a minority lawyer could've qualified towards that (she'd have had some potential benefit in that regard as a woman anyways, but still).

It's hard to say to the extent that she did or didn't gain from it, nor the extent to which she was or wasn't trying to benefit from it, but her answers about why she was doing this have always been sketchy (she thought by doing so she would get invited out to lunches with other people who have some native american ancestors... wut?)
 
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But supposedly she does have at least some Native American ancestry. I'm not sure I have a problem with her claiming it.

She has a distant (8 generations back) ancestor who has genetic markers common to certain native americans. She knows nothing about that person apart from some gossip in the family that some such person might exist.

Her identification of herself as native american gets into the benefit issue... if there was a business or program giving some affirmative action kind of preference towards native americans and she benefitted from that, that's something where she's potentially taken a benefit intended for someone who has been wronged in some form or fashion that neither she, nor her immediate family has.

That is all separate to the discussions around the validity of DNA typing in this fashion.
 

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She has a distant (8 generations back) ancestor who has genetic markers common to certain native americans. She knows nothing about that person apart from some gossip in the family that some such person might exist.

Her identification of herself as native american gets into the benefit issue... if there was a business or program giving some affirmative action kind of preference towards native americans and she benefitted from that, that's something where she's potentially taken a benefit intended for someone who has been wronged in some form or fashion that neither she, nor her immediate family has.

That is all separate to the discussions around the validity of DNA typing in this fashion.


And yet every organization that has ever been asked, Harvard and who ever have all stated that they never extended any "benefit" to her based on her listing herself as "native american" IE she never got any kind of "affirmative active/quota " slot and she has stated that she did not list herself as native american in an attempt to get any kind of benefit.

Now that being said when you consider the very small % we are talking about it does not make the greatest deal of sense in the world that she did list herself that way and pretty consistently at that when I think it is fair to say that probably 99% of people with a similar DNA profile would have just listed themselves as "white" and left it at that.

I am sure there are more than a few white people who are northern European/Scandinavian white as white can be, Tiger Wood's ex for example who if they ran their DNA would find that that have as big and probably larger % of Black or maybe Asian background so the question then would be what if they then "checked the box" for Black or Asian when they are for all practical purposes NOT and wonder "why they did"

Sort of the opposite of "passing"
 
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Lmao

Right?!?!?

At the very least, she has repeatedly shown to exercise poor judgement... at the worst she is just as delusional as Rachel Dolezal.

The grandma who apparently told her she is "Native American" died in 1969 yet she waited to became Native American in 1989?

All of the academics & professors (except for one) backed her up by saying they had no idea she claimed to have Native American heritage and it clearly wasn't a factor in any decision to elevate her to any sort of position or higher role in any organization.

I call bullshit... protecting your own. Either way, she's a bold faced liar and simply cannot be trusted exercising the intent of the people.
 
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Warren has shown that she is completely unable to listen to Indigenous people, has no grasp of the absurdity of her position and regardless of what any family story time said, knows darn well she's not any kind of Indigenous person. No tribe claims her, and she has used this pretendian costume to assert her views on issues she isn't really positioned to speak on because she isn't Indigenous or racialized. Her errors of judgment are many, and they keep going, and she has been shown why she is wrong multiple times yet refuses to change her ways. Go away Liz.
 
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This is just another phony ass right wing attempt at character assassination, aimed at discrediting liberals who may prove to be a challenge to their alternate reality universe of racists, bigots, con artists, liars, money grabbers, shills, and shysters, from the Oval Office on down.

The b------------- like to make a lot of noise about this kind of bullshit, and they even get Democrats to buy into the smear, while they DEFLECT and DISTRACT from the Criminal in Chief and his clown show of an "administration" (to broadly use the term) who, even as we speak, are in the process of taking the American public to the fkng CLEANERS.

One reason why Warren had the test done (she said) was because Trump challenged her to prove it, pledging a MILLION to charity if she did. Needless to say, the fkr waffled afterward:

Elizabeth Warren DNA test: Trump responds to question of $1 million charity promise - The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ow-what/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b5f0179be115
As far as any "advantage" she gained in DOING so (except the satisfaction of shutting up the smug b---------d) I'd say she gained no more advantage than every so-called "Irishman" who magically appears on St Patrick's day.

Democrats need to WAKE UP to the right winged CON job, and stop letting these mfkrs run 'em around.
 
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This is just another phony ass right wing attempt at character assassination, aimed at discrediting liberals who may prove to be a challenge to their alternate reality universe of racists, bigots, con artists, liars, money grabbers, shills, and shysters, from the Oval Office on down.

The b------------- like to make a lot of noise about this kind of bullshit, and they even get Democrats to buy into the smear, while they DEFLECT and DISTRACT from the Criminal in Chief and his clown show of an "administration" (to broadly use the term) who, even as we speak, are in the process of taking the American public to the fkng CLEANERS.

One reason why Warren had the test done (she said) was because Trump challenged her to prove it, pledging a MILLION to charity if she did. Needless to say, the fkr waffled afterward:

Elizabeth Warren DNA test: Trump responds to question of $1 million charity promise - The Washington Post
As far as any "advantage" she gained in DOING so (except the satisfaction of shutting up the smug b---------d) I'd say she gained no more advantage than every so-called "Irishman" who magically appears on St Patrick's day.

Democrats need to WAKE UP to the right winged CON job, and stop letting these mfkrs run 'em around.

So you understand that less than 1% is not statistically significant in anyone's genetic makeup, and that these tests are not accepted by any Indigenous Nation right? Taking it was a stunt at the expense of Native Americans who told her time and time again not to do it. I'm certainly not a conservative by any means or measure but science and basic cultural competency are not simply issues to be tossed aside. Warren is not the best candidate and she can't beat Trump. You can do much better than Warren, whose effectiveness as a legislator as admirable as it has been, doesn't translate to leadership and on this issue, she has crashed and burned by putting the people she claimed to be from under the bus in a petty fight with a tyrant in diapers.
 
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So you understand that less than 1% is not statistically significant in anyone's genetic makeup, and that these tests are not accepted by any Indigenous Nation right? Taking it was a stunt at the expense of Native Americans who told her time and time again not to do it. I'm certainly not a conservative by any means or measure but science and basic cultural competency are not simply issues to be tossed aside. Warren is not the best candidate and she can't beat Trump. You can do much better than Warren, whose effectiveness as a legislator as admirable as it has been, doesn't translate to leadership and on this issue, she has crashed and burned by putting the people she claimed to be from under the bus in a petty fight with a tyrant in diapers.
That's pure bullshit. People get DNA tests all the time. She was challenged to do so, and she did. She didn't benefit from it. And a stunt at the expense of Native Americans??

How so? How has her taking the test been at the "expense" of Native Americans, while some smug b----------d stands on a national podium mockingly invoking Pocahontas? While HIS administration works to seize Native American burial grounds to put up his fkng "wall" or while they work to deprive Native Americans of their civil rights on various fronts?


All of this and MORE.... yet Warren is the villain??

 
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This is going to be hard for you. I don't use your partisan either or artificial logic, so just because I criticize Warren for something has no bearing on how shit I think the genocidal loser 45 is. She played a gambit against the advice of all the people involved and she hit a wall. She went down in the muck and got dirty. No one is claiming she is a villain, just that she has consistently mucked up Indigenous representation and consultation. Try to stay on topic, we can shit all over little hands lord dampnut later.

From an esteemed Indigenous researcher:

Kim TallBear on Twitter
 
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I understand the basis of Native American objections to this, bud. I've read them already. To the best of my knowledge she just claimed to have Native American DNA. I don't recall her claiming to be a Native American or a member of a tribe.

I'm just pointing out how some Democrats, and even some so-called "independents" continue to allow the right to lead them into knee jerk MUCH ADO about LITTLE instead of keeping an eye on the BIGGER picture...I.E. WHO has been consistently working to ROLL BACK the rights and protections of Native Americas??

We (or at least SOME) TOO easily let the RIGHT set the fkng NARRATIVE. And as I've written numerous times BEFORE, in that regard, they play us like a country FIDDLE.

That's MY opinion on the subject.
 
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I understand the basis of Native American objections to this, bud. I've read them already.

You don't display an ounce of compassion or sympathy and are foaming at the mouth ranting about every mutherfycker under the blue sky except for WARREN HERSELF.

You understanding the basis of Native American objections is at best a slip of your typing fingers and at worse a bold faced lie, you display ZERO understanding and empathy.

I'm just pointing out how some Democrats, and even some so-called "independents" continue to allow the right to lead them into knee jerk MUCH ADO about LITTLE instead of keeping an eye on the BIGGER picture...I.E. WHO has been consistently working to ROLL BACK the rights and protections of Native Americas

At some point, you have to realize that the REpublicans aren't to blame for anything & everything. The Republicans didn't force or coerce Elizabeth to FALSLY IMPERSONATE A NATIVE AMERICAN. The GOP didn't force her to LIE THROUGH HER FUCKING TEETH... the Republicans have NOTHING to do with this.

You are hysterical and acting like a complete insensitive jerk.

We (or at least SOME) TOO easily let the RIGHT set the fkng NARRATIVE. And as I've written numerous times BEFORE, in that regard, they play us like a country FIDDLE.

Elizabeth Warren's problems don't have ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE RIGHT WING... they are HER FUCKING FAULT and HER FAULT ALONE. You are fucking deranged when it comes to anything involving politics... you are just a warrior for the DNC and display not an ounce of empathy or nuance when it comes to ADMITTING WHEN YOU ARE WRONG.

You treat Elizabeth Warren like she is your goddamn sister... WHAT IS YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM?!? You blame the Republicans for her poor judgement and ability to tell bold faced lies?

You have proven time and time again that you cannot argue politics... you behave like a child who blames her mistakes on her imaginary friend. It's pathetic. You waste EVERYONE'S fucking time on this board with your partisan bullshit... get a fucking hobby that doesn't involve politics.

That's MY opinion on the subject.

Yeah, and it's fucking wrong as usual, based on emotion only and is a one trick pony.
 

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I know a great deal about my family genealogy, going back many generations. If I knew of even that much Native American, African American, Jewish, Muslim, or some other ancestry besides white Anglo-Saxon, I'd think it was pretty cool and freely mention it from time to time.

I realize the situation is more complicated with Warren, but I'm not sure it's as problematic as people are making it.