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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Industrialsize, May 11, 2010.
Tory? Liberal Democrat? Labour?........anyone from the UK want to enlighten an ignorant yank?
Tories/Conservatives (David Cameron, Thatcher, etc) are pretty much like a toned down version of the Republicans...maybe less right wing tho. They're traditionally more interested in the economy, business and the middle-classes, altho hopefully moving towards the centre more. More wary of Britain's membership of the EU, and want to retain more sovereignty for the UK. Centre-right mainly.
Labour (Gordon Brown, Tony Blair) would be our version of the Democrats I guess. Supposed to be more supportive of the individual, and socialist, altho that was a bit questionable under Blair at times. Moderately pro-EU, altho Brown kept us out of the Euro (thankfully) but caved in over the Lisbon Treaty (nee Constitution). Centre-left position.
Liberal Democrats are somewhere in between...and are now forming a government with the Conservatives, since no-one got a clear majority in the election. Pro-EU (and euro), altho that's probably on hold while they're in power with the Tories.
^^Not a brilliant overview, but hope it'll do. :S
Thanks for taking the time.......I appreciate it.
Tory = right. They pretend not to be except when with their own. Anti immigration. Tolerant of gays. Just. Want to get out of the European Union. Delusional about Britain being a world power. Will do whatever the US tells them to do. Lib Dems historically central but policies actually most to the left. Were the only party to vote aginst participation in the Iraq war and cool about Afganistan. Wary of doing whatever the US says. They try to be objective about immigration, civil rights, Europe etc and hence are unelectable by a populace that votes according to its prejudices rather than logic. Labour historically to the left and are mostly financed by the unions. Have moved more and more to the right especially under Blair (who was all for cuddling up to GWB). There are detail differences between the 3 parties but not really much to choose in terms of policy eg whether to reduce government expenditure now (Tory) or in a years time (Labout and Lib Dems). All are to the left of their US equivalents.
Very enlightening. I have learned much here.
In England, is "Rule Britannia" still played?
no but they play it in Belen.
We are constitutionally required to sing ourselves to sleep to it every night. God save the Queen, when we wake up. :biggrin1:
I would say that our Liberal Democratic Party are the closest to Obama Democrats.
Maggie Thatcher and Ronnie were ideologically joined at the hip. But since then, the Conservatives, Tories, have moved to the centre ground.
Tony Blair and Bill Clinton were similar, TB being Labour, but Gordon Brown is more "old" Labour, left wing and there are others in the Labour Party that most Americans would consider communists. We would just say true socialists.
To try to put it simply, rightwing Conservatives are like your Republicans and leftwing Conservatives are like your rightwing Democrats. The Liberal Democrats are like your Democrats. Rightwing Labour are like your Democrats, whilst leftwing Labour are off the scale Commie Euro Pussies :biggrin1:
DW - that is hands down the best compare and contrast summation of trans-Atlantic inter Anglo politics to date. You are officially absolved from singing either Rule Britannia, or God Save the Queen (save maybe the Sex Pistols version) forever more.
Anyone from Canada and Australia care to do the same for their political lots?
Oh, the other thing to say to US readers is that God is nowhere to be seen. Any British politician who brought religion into politics would be hastily removed by men in white coats. Clegg (Lib Dem) even said in the TV debates that he was NOT a man of faith.
It is played every year at the last night of the proms at the Albert Hall. The entire audience joins in and waves flags. Everyone else watches on Tv and sings along. Recently they have started having overspill concerts outside in hyde park, with video walls so people can see. Tickets for the concert are obtainable by a national ballot. (and no, the only bit I exagerate is everyone singing along at home. It is televised and only some sing.)
This country has a two party stranglehold on politics, with occasional interesting variations. 100 years ago there were 2 parties, the ancestors of what are now conservatives and liberals. The conservatives represented the aristocracy, the liberals more the middle class. Then along came labour, which was invented as the political arm of the trades union movement and this took over from the liberals as the left wing party. For the last 80 odd years it has been either labour or conservative governments with a rump few liberals hanging on. They have slowly rebuilt support from a minimum of about 5 seats in parliament (out of 650 odd) to now 55. The two larger parties each have 200 odd solid seats where it would be extraordinarily unlikely that they could lose. Vote share is much more even than the parliamentary numbers: this time lib 23, lab 29, con 37. About 30% of registered voters dont bother.
No one has mentioned the nationalist. There are nationalist parties in Ireland, Scotland and Wales which do quite well, though generally do not figure in westminster politics because england is much bigger and outnumbers them. Labour has support in Sotland and Wales (Ireland is a bit different because the main parties withdrew from there because of the war). The conservatives have very little support in Scotland, leading to accusations the last labour government was a Scottish government ruling England. Consrvative support is concentrated in Rural southern England, land of the country estate. Labour is in cities and industrial areas.
Torys- Total utter POWERFREAKS. They will do everything to get in POWER. They will even have a coalition with the LibDems, which they have NO common ground with.
Yet they benefit the mid/higher classes, hence why they are popular/unpopular generally.
LibDems- they try to make thing fairer for everyone, but fail to understand that it is impossible to please everyone. They have some policies which are absolutely rediculous, some which are actually VERY good, and other which could be good if they applied some logic.
Labour- Well tbh, Im speechless. They are happy giving everything we have away to europe, even in our own country they are happy giving away our taxes to create a JK underclass.
UKIP- Fair, Democratic, and have plenty of common sense. They would run our country so much better. bias much?
Farage is a twat. No bias there.
UKIP are a shower. They seem unable to put together anything that resembles a serious set of policies and are therefore a dangerous one-issue group. Their big contribution to the last election was to take enough votes to stop Con winning a handful of seats.
The rub is that their one serious policy - the UK to leave the EU - is one which would probably be supported by a majority of the people of the UK if it got to a referendum. So while I think they are nutcases I also think in this one area they have a point. I've heard today however that there are some back bench Conservative MPs demanding just such a vote. It is very hard to come up with a democratic argument not to let the people have their say on this issue.
I'll try, but I suppose many here (Canada) will disagree with me.
Conservatives (now in power, Stephen Harper is Prime Minister) are slightly right of centre; Liberals (Michael Ignatieff) are slightly left of centre, though both parties will move whichever way they need to to remain in or gain power. New Democratic Party (NDP, Jack Layton) more left than the Liberals but probably not as far left as Britain's Labor party. Bloc Quebecois (BQ, Gilles Duceppe)leftist and officially committed to Quebec Sovereignty (but NOT independence) but realistically more committed to more federal money for Quebec.
Since 2006 we have had a Conservative minority government supported ironically by a shifting "alliance of convenience" of the so-called left of centre parties. Politics here is less polarized than in the US, and any political party moving too far from the centre will find itself out of power. The present Conservative government would almost certainly be considered left of centre by most Americans.
Then there are provincial (provinces are more or less equivalent to American states) politics, which are far too weird and complex to go into here. Suffice it to say that although most provincial parties use the same names as their federal counterparts, there are, as often as not, more differences than similarities between federal and provincial parties and politics.
Cool, that was very helpful, thanks.
Not all the time, but the Queen gets woken up each morning by Bryan May playing the National Anthem from her roof (it's just a temporary measure, till they get a new Palace cockerel). :wink:
In Australia we have a federation of states like the US, but with the British Westminster system of government. Political parties are represented at a state and federal level. Each state may therefore be under the control of differing parties while again a different party might be in power at Federal level.
The four main parties are Labor (yes American spelling), Liberal, the National Party and the Greens. Now for the details:
Labor is the same as the UK; fairly left in many aspects, and largely union controlled. Supposedly the party for the working class, although less so in recent years. Reasonably supportive of gay issues, political correctness, etc. A more left version of the U.S Democrats.
Liberal is, despite the name, anything but...except for big business and people with money. It is a centre right party that focuses on the economy more than anything else. However, it is a conservative party and was anti gay in the past, but has improved to the point where gay people are now tolerated and supported by a few of them. It is not supportive of environmental issues (that gets in the way of big business profits). Needless to say it is not a politically correct party. It supports the idea of the 1950's style "family". It has had some progressive ministers but they don't last long in the party. Similar to the UK Conservatives, less to the right than the U.S Republicans.
The National Party holds seats only in rural areas, and is primarily concerned with rural issues such as agriculture. However, as can be imagined it has conservative elements. It usually never has enough seats in parliament to govern in its own right so is in coalition with the Liberal Party.
And the Greens, your classic left wing socialist/environmental party,supportive of minorities, etc. They have replaced the Australian Democrats who collapsed several years ago. They do not have enough seats to govern but can hold the balance of power in some states.
Unlike the U.S, religion is kept out of politics and we don't have to deal with the happy clapper nonsene threatening to vote out governments if they don't appease the religious voter. The relaxed Australian lifestyle and culture is not compatible with that.
Tories- Conservative Party- Enjoy public cuts, making people unemployed, being racist and homophobic and like to bend over to big business. A tory MP is a person who will Lie to get in power.
Liberal Democrats- A party with no prinicipals. They lean whereever will suit them. A leaked memo told those in Labour marginals to act more conservative and those in conservative marginals to act more labour. They dont like the right to protest and fully support anti trade union laws. They like cuts too, but would rather they didnt completely lose the support of the working class so they will ease it on us. A liberal MP is a person who will li eot get in power.
Labour- Bourgeois workers party. They used to pander to the working class but somehow got the idea they didnt need them anymore and could therefore ignore their wants and needs. They like to control the trade unions and did very little to help the working class from the mess that was Thatcherite Britain. A labour MP is a person who will like to get in power.
Am glad Farage was brought up in this thread because I wanted to ask how he is perceived. Can you elaborate, since thus far we have just extremes of approval and disapproval. This is the only non-US politico I have ever seen who struck me as equal in vileness to the worst of our worst. Am proud of my three fellow Virginians, the Gregory Brothers, who took down that piece of shit on youtube: