Ending circumcision

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madame_zora said:
While I appreciate the effort, I really do- I doubt any of these pussies defending circumcision will have the balls to WATCH that video. I watched a procedure done by a Jewish Rabbi (I forget the actual name of the person who does circumcisions), and it was horrific. If there was any question before I saw what it really WAS, that did it for me. I'd encourage any pregnant mother to watch a few circumcisions before she decides to do that to her child. Anyone who doesn't think it's barbaric probably hasn't seen it with their own eyes. It's disgusting.

I have been to a number of Bris Milah ceremonies....well in fairness only 3 My brother married a Jewish woman and through some freakish moment of showing his love for her he had a circumcision He did this in a hospital setting but the basic ritual was followed (yeah it makes me feel nauseous too and I'm gay and shouldnt mind men holding other men Lucky for all of us it was not completed with the sucking of the blood from the wound) When I say basic, I mean precisely that some words are said and an old Jewish man goes and does the snipping Here too I was fortunate I was not present, my brother had himself a Mohel (spelling may be wrong) a Rabbi and another man from the synagogue of the family he was marrying into.

I have some nephews and they each had the circumcision and I can hopefully ease your mind that they have no recollection of it and see,m well adjustted Two seem to be heterosexual one is out and out gay and since the same persons were involved in all these rites I cannot attribute sexuality as being affected (no you did not say it was I just wanted to nip that debate in the bud as well before some ignorant person starts it)

So what was my point? It is not BARBARIC or DISGUSTING as you claim. It was a beautiful ceremony done with reflection on the past and done as a tribute and comittment to God As for a baby crying and screaming through it babies are known to cry and scream and that is most of what they do at that age and when placed in the hands of a stranger such as the Mohel they are likely to cry They would also cry kick and scream if taken from the arms of their mother or father and placed in the hands of any other person

Rest assured though that soon after they are giggling and smiling again and are happy
 

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I say let's do head-to-toe piercings and tattoos on infants, so they don't have to do it later in life when it's more painful, larger, and more expensive. Let's chop off every baby's body parts (if either parent happens to be an amputee) so that they look exactly like mom & dad.

Oh shit, I just thought of something. How can we make the kid look just like mom &/or dad if he's from a racically mixed marriage? Maybe just extinguish the children that won't fit in.

As for the preventative hygiene, let's pull every tooth as soon as it comes in so we don't have to deal with braces and fillings. Let's cut out every kid's lungs, so there's no chance he'll get lung cancer. Cut off both his arms and legs, one of those may possily get broken some day. Cut out his eyeballs, pink eye could be going around in a few years.
 

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ManiacalMadMan said:
I have been to a number of Bris Milah ceremonies... My brother married a Jewish woman and through some freakish moment of showing his love for her he had a circumcision in a hospital setting. But the basic ritual was followed (yeah it makes me feel nauseous too

So what was my point? It is not BARBARIC or DISGUSTING as you claim. It was a beautiful ceremony done with reflection on the past and done as a tribute and comittment to God. As for a baby crying and screaming through it babies are known to cry and scream and that is most of what they do at that age and when placed in the hands of a stranger such as the Mohel they are likely to cry They would also cry kick and scream if taken from the arms of their mother or father and placed in the hands of any other person.

Rest assured though that soon after they are giggling and smiling again and are happy
It must have been BARBARIC and DISGUSTING according to your own words that I have highlighted. The child is crying and screaming in pain. I see that in spite of your last paragraph it made you "feel nauseous too".

Here's Snozzle's link again. Turn the volume up:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/161143/routine_infant_circumcision/
 

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ugh. i wish folks'd quit quoting EgomaniacalSadman's posts - i put his witless ass on ignore for a reason. i mean, smacking down mental cripples might provide a moment's diversion when you're bored, but it's not real helpful or rewarding, so please think about what you're doing there.

Stronzo said:
I think it's verging on an attack at his intrinsic worth...
oh you noticed that huh? good job, go to the top of the class

I don't really see the use of denigrating anyone
OKNYJT
 

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madame_zora said:
While I appreciate the effort, I really do- I doubt any of these pussies defending circumcision will have the balls to WATCH that video.

MZ I watched it and I'm not a "pussy". :rolleyes:

I don't even particularly like pussy. So my balls (much as anyone might want to deny me them) are firmly intact. It's my foreskin that's gone about which (as previously stated) I'm immensely happy.
 

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Dr Rock said:
ugh. i wish folks'd quit quoting EgomaniacalSadman's posts - i put his witless ass on ignore for a reason. i mean, smacking down mental cripples might provide a moment's diversion when you're bored, but it's not real helpful or rewarding, so please think about what you're doing there.


oh you noticed that huh? good job, go to the top of the class


OKNYJT

Doc?

You charmer you!:smile:
 

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Stronzo said:
It's my foreskin that's gone about which (as previously stated) I'm immensely happy.

Anyone find Stronzo's little fetish is getting sadder and more revealing?

Thanks mommy and daddy for skinning my dick when I was a baby and saving me from a lifetime of impure thoughts and impure smells. Geeez.
 

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dxjnorto said:
Anyone find Stronzo's little fetish is getting sadder and more revealing?

Thanks mommy and daddy for skinning my dick when I was a baby and saving me from a lifetime of impure thoughts and impure smells. Geeez.

Seriously guys.. shut the fuck up about it.:biggrin1:

Stronzo likes his dick cut... Everyone else likes theirs uncut. Zora just likes dicks... The world is at peace.:rolleyes:
 

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dxjnorto said:
Anyone find Stronzo's little fetish is getting sadder and more revealing?

Thanks mommy and daddy for skinning my dick when I was a baby and saving me from a lifetime of impure thoughts and impure smells. Geeez.

No but this topic is getting more boring.

Jeff Black said:
Stronzo likes his dick cut... Everyone else likes theirs uncut. Zora just likes dicks... The world is at peace.

I agree with Mad_Z
 

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these threads are tried and tired. there's no "better" choice. there's no convincing advocates of circumsizing infants otherwise, and vice versa. why do people still make these topics? like, what it all boils down to is personal preference. do you want yer son to be cut or uncut? what's yer culture's views on it? it doesn't fuckin matter.

circumsizing a child is none of the government's business. while i, personally, am against it, who the hell am i to be all holier than thou and say yer decision is bogus, especially if it's a religious act? who are you say all this?

sorry, didn't mean for this to turn into a rant. oh wait...yah i did.


EDIT:
I was born at a time and place where circumcision was around 50/50.
An ex of mine (of my age) was the son of a surgeon.
He was uncut.
'Nuff said.

you can't use "nuff said" when there's no correlation. the fact that his father is a surgeon is purely coinicidental.


P.S. these topics are still as pointless as ever =P
 

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surferboy said:
there's no "better" choice.
huh? obviously the better choice is to leave bodies alone unless you have a good reason for cutting bits off of them. this ain't exactly rocket science, and i'm continually baffled as to what part of cutting up newborn kids is wrong so many people are having difficulty in understanding.

who the hell am i to be all holier than thou and say yer decision is bogus, especially if it's a religious act?
religion is not a valid excuse for anything, least of all serious crimes like assault. if someone chooses to be wilfully stupid and subscribe to a religion, that is there prerogative as an informed adult. it is NOT for them to make that decision for anyone else, least of all a newborn child who cannot defend themselves.

who are you say all this?
an intelligent moral human being?
 

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I was searching the web and I found the attached pictures of what appears to be a BOTCHED circumcision. I wasn't looking for this it just happened to show up. I started this thread and if you've read any of my others you know that I'm totally against circumcision and especially circumcision on infants. These are just just an example of what could happen and does happen on a daily basis to poor unfortunate unsuspecting victims of the untrained money hungry Doctors.

Again, I'm off the soap box.
 

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I know this is a little "off" any topic here but I just had this thought.

Personally I'm totally against the circumcision of infants. Period. I'm against the ritual circumcision of both Jewish babies and the brutal, barbaric circumcision of muslim adolecents. If these are your religions and, I've offended, I appologize.

Cultural identity and group association are far more important to the development of sane and well balanced human beings than any useless flap of skin you can't even recall ever having.

The people who want to prevent OTHER other people from doing what THEY don't like are the same as people who would protest any form of physical discipline of children... but every parent who raises decent kids understands that, BEFORE you can reason with them, all children understand the association of pain with forbidden actions.

People are far more resilient than those of you who cry over prepuces imagine.
I never met anyone who "suffered" over their foreskin being cut off who I would rate as psychologically well balanced.

Always extremists... always one step away from endorsing violence in promotion of their agenda.

Like PETA, only over something so insignificant as to be ridiculous.
 

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The people who want to prevent OTHER other people from doing what THEY don't like are the same as people who would protest any form of physical discipline of children...
Phil you give it away with one hand and take it back with the other. You really are quite confused and vocal on this issue.

If I could go back in a time machine I would certainly try to prevent people doing what I don't like. How about we start with the present day and move forward from there, giving every man their own choice?

In that scenario, how many idiots would choose to have part of their cock chopped off in adulthood? Not very damn many.

You are the extremist.
 
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I was searching the web and I found the attached pictures of what appears to be a BOTCHED circumcision. I wasn't looking for this it just happened to show up. I started this thread and if you've read any of my others you know that I'm totally against circumcision and especially circumcision on infants. These are just just an example of what could happen and does happen on a daily basis to poor unfortunate unsuspecting victims of the untrained money hungry Doctors.

Again, I'm off the soap box.


this does not happen on a daily basis every time someone gets circumcised. because if it was on a daily basis, all the cut cock haters, would go out of their way to be sure it was on the evening news, the radio, and any other place they thought of, and hollow at the top of their lungs and say see i told you circumcision was bad thing look here at this. and they would probably even partition the white house for some kind of stimulus money to fund their cause in some way. not to mention the law suites that would be coming every day from the guys it happened to, and also from the parents of the boy they had circumcised also. sure their are a few bad ones that mite happen and it isn't a good thing for the one it happened to. just as it isn't good with any other type operation. but it is few and far in between when it does happen, and it is clearly not on a daily basis as you say here. a bad circumcision isn't good but the good ones far more out way the ones that had complications for what ever reason. just as its the same for the uncut cocks also. im sure some where there mite be a few uncut cocks some place but i haven't had them from any uncut cocks i have had and know about personally, but it wouldn't be fair to put them in a class as the rest just because i or others mite not like them and have had bad experienced with them. for it to be an everyday thing like your claiming here their are sure a lot of circumcised guys out their giving a lot of women fantastic sex.
 
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Something I find interesting about this subject is how sensitive people can get about something that doesn't affect them, personally. I'm sure if the subject was female circumcision there would be howling from the rooftops.