Ending circumcision

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this does not happen on a daily basis every time someone gets circumcised. because if it was on a daily basis, all the cut cock haters, would go out of their way to be sure it was on the evening news, the radio, and any other place they thought of, and hollow at the top of their lungs and say see i told you circumcision was bad thing look here at this. and they would probably even partition the white house for some kind of stimulus money to fund their cause in some way. not to mention the law suites that would be coming every day from the guys it happened to, and also from the parents of the boy they had circumcised also. sure their are a few bad ones that mite happen and it isn't a good thing for the one it happened to. just as it isn't good with any other type operation. but it is few and far in between when it does happen, and it is clearly not on a daily basis as you say here. a bad circumcision isn't good but the good ones far more out way the ones that had complications for what ever reason. just as its the same for the uncut cocks also. im sure some where there mite be a few uncut cocks some place but i haven't had them from any uncut cocks i have had and know about personally, but it wouldn't be fair to put them in a class as the rest just because i or others mite not like them and have had bad experienced with them. for it to be an everyday thing like your claiming here their are sure a lot of circumcised guys out their giving a lot of women fantastic sex.

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It has been banned in some countries, such as being outright banned in Australia, while also in South Africa, but there it is still legal to religiously brand 'your' children(/possessions/slaves).
The parliaments of Sweeden and Denmark are also looking for a strong ban, while strong support for a ban, is also present in many countries.
 
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I am not jewish ,and I got circumcised at birth. It is not done as a jewish tradition ( unless you are jewish ), it is done because it eliminates future hygiene problems.
I have friends who had to be circumcised because of phimosis troubles later in life, as well as smegma causing infections and even cancer....and that is painfull.
I think circumcision is a good thing, and, it is done for the wellness of a human being, not in an attemp to do any harm.
I find my circumcised dick to be free of any hygiene issues. I would gop for circumcision of my son, when my time comes. It is a personal thing, choice, but it is a choice the father has to take, because the infant can not take that decision by himself, and, to wait untill he is an adult, would certainly make it an unappealihng proposition, to get circumcised as an adult.
If you as a parent think you do not want circumcision for your kid, you are making that decision for him. If you decide for circumcision, you are taking that liberty too.I see a hygiene free life and the performance of such surgery at a time when he ( child) will not really feel it nor recall it an advantage in itself. I am circumcised, and, never had a problem, so I can attest to the fact that circumcision is a good thing. I do not see the evil in circumcision. It is not a cosmetic thing, thereason for having a circumcision is not one of making the penis look nicer, it is a medical and hygiene measure.
Phimosis, as well as smegma probleems that could lead to cancer, are the reasons for it.
If the jewish people do it for other reasons, that is a different topic.
This is utter crap and show's how anal and misimformed American's are about 'so called' hygiene issues.In the UK the vast majority of men are NOT circumcised,and we do not have any problems with our dicks thank you very much,so stop being so f....ing prissy and remember the foreskin is there for a reason!!
 

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Phimosis is rare but does warrant medical intervention. Not necesarilly circumcision though.

Routine cicumcision, apart from religious reasons, does seem to be confined to the USA.
 
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Phil you give it away with one hand and take it back with the other. You really are quite confused and vocal on this issue.

If I could go back in a time machine I would certainly try to prevent people doing what I don't like. How about we start with the present day and move forward from there, giving every man their own choice?

In that scenario, how many idiots would choose to have part of their cock chopped off in adulthood? Not very damn many.

You are the extremist.

Sorry. pal... the extremist is ALWAYS the one who wants to FORCE everybody else to follow HIS sense of what is or is not right.

Unable to cope with disagreement.

y'see... I don't CARE if you do or don't want a circumcision... I don't care if you do or don't have your own sons circumcised.

I really am totally uninterested in your personal choice in this regard.

I have no extreme feeling about it either way.

The thing I am extreme in, is my refusal to tolerate fascist ideology in any form.

I don't care if you're trying to push your picture of jesus on me, your bizarro political agenda that demands universal compliance... or your personal psycho-sexual fixation on a portion of the human anatomy as vestigial and unneccessary as your appendix.
I oppose, vehemently, ALL agendas that seek to FORCE others to do as small and marginalized groups of obsessive compulsive nimrods say.


Be that giving full human rights to weasels...
Or passing laws to stop something that only matters to the penis obsessed fringe.
 

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I oppose, vehemently, ALL agendas that seek to FORCE others to do as small and marginalized groups of obsessive compulsive nimrods say.
Phil, I hear what you are saying, but you've simply got it backwards. No one is forcing anyone to be normal. Normal is normal. Normal is not a fascist agenda. It is merely the way we are all born.

The shoe is on the other foot--your foot as you describe so well.
 

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Circumcised men don't really get what the big deal is because they have no idea how much sensation they are actually missing. I feel sad for circumcised men actually. Yes, there are uncut men who don't wash their dicks, but there are plenty of people who don't wash their butts too...is that reason to remove their anuses? I find women in particular are very stupid on this topic because they think cut dicks are 'cute' so they do it to their sons. The whole idea of circumcising children in this day is just idiotic.
 

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Neither side can know what it feels like unless you were cut as an adult. I've read people talking about how it's better now that they are cut and others say it was better before they got cut.

I was cut as a baby, so I don't know any different. My dick is quite sensitive, the head isn't dry and calloused, so at least for me, being cut is fine. I am cut loosely so I have skin to move around when I jack off and I don't need lube.

My college roomate my junior year got cut over Christmas break due to phimosis. He said that he liked being cut better than being uncut. That is my only first-hand report from somone who has been on both sides.
 

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That is my only first-hand report from somone who has been on both sides.
I've been on both sides, but you don't like what I have to say most times.

Sure, you're fine with the way you are and I think you should be. But as someone tightly cut who has restored for several years, my first hand report is my dick now functions better. There's a reason the foreskin slides. It should be obvious. It is obvious.

I know most cut guys aren't going to do what I've done, but for myself, if I wanted to continue to function sexually I had little choice.

Anyway, what we are always talking about is choice. That means choice for the infant penis owner, who will be fully grown and sexually developed in a mere 13-18 years. You seem resistant to protecting and preserving choice when it comes to the integrity of one's body and genitals and I'm not sure why, but it probably has something to do with being denied yourself.

Cheers,
Jerry
 

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Sorry. pal... the extremist is ALWAYS the one who wants to FORCE everybody else to follow HIS sense of what is or is not right.

Unable to cope with disagreement.

y'see... I don't CARE if you do or don't want a circumcision... I don't care if you do or don't have your own sons circumcised.

I really am totally uninterested in your personal choice in this regard.

I have no extreme feeling about it either way.

The thing I am extreme in, is my refusal to tolerate fascist ideology in any form.

I don't care if you're trying to push your picture of jesus on me, your bizarro political agenda that demands universal compliance... or your personal psycho-sexual fixation on a portion of the human anatomy as vestigial and unneccessary as your appendix.
I oppose, vehemently, ALL agendas that seek to FORCE others to do as small and marginalized groups of obsessive compulsive nimrods say.


Be that giving full human rights to weasels...
Or passing laws to stop something that only matters to the penis obsessed fringe.

You could not be more wrong in your thought process because someone "wants to FORCE everybody else to follow HIS sense of what is or is not right" is called campaigning and persuading. Just because others disagree does not mean he is wrong or extreme and certainly does not make someone a fascist.

Was campaigning for an end to slavery in the 18th century the work of fascists because they wanted to ban something? Was suggesting we make Laws to FORCE parents to have their children educated rather than sending them out to work may initially have been a small and marginalised group but do you seriously want to describe them as 'obsessive compulsive nimrods'?

I think your logic is seriously flawed especially when you say that the 'penis obsessed' are a 'fringe' group. Most men are obsessed about cock even if just their own.
 

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Neither side can know what it feels like unless you were cut as an adult. I've read people talking about how it's better now that they are cut and others say it was better before they got cut.

I was cut as a baby, so I don't know any different. My dick is quite sensitive, the head isn't dry and calloused, so at least for me, being cut is fine. I am cut loosely so I have skin to move around when I jack off and I don't need lube.

My college roomate my junior year got cut over Christmas break due to phimosis. He said that he liked being cut better than being uncut. That is my only first-hand report from somone who has been on both sides.

The view of people cut as adults is probably less valid than the view of other men. Adults who are circumcised are either cut through choice or because of a problem that a Doctor told them required circumcision to solve. Unless the procedure is botched they are likely to have a favourable reaction to it. The first group because they elected to have the procedure to deal with body image issues and the second group, as in the case of your roomate, are comparing phimosis with a cut cock.
 

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Phil, I hear what you are saying, but you've simply got it backwards. No one is forcing anyone to be normal. Normal is normal. Normal is not a fascist agenda. It is merely the way we are all born.

The shoe is on the other foot--your foot as you describe so well.

Stop drinking the koolaid long enough to let your head clear.

ANY efforts to STOP people from doing as they please is a manipulation of other people's freedoms to choose.

The Anti-circ nutjobs seek LEGISLATION to stop infant circumcision.
That is imposing their agenda on OTHERS.

Your 'argument' pretends that Forcing people to leave their children 'natural' is somehow not an imposition of your agenda.

And taking that position renders you disingenuous..


Normally, I would have no problem with anti-circ people trying to convince people they should not do it...
However, in order to achieve that goal, the anti-circ nuts are willing to lie and misrepresent the facts.

That willingness to abandon truth and cross the line into propaganda and disinformation entirely undercuts ANY ethical argument they may claim.


And BTW, the anti circ argument can be used to criminalized everything from pirecing your daughter ears, to surgery intended to ameliorate congential defects.

In a "FREE" society, the government must demonstrate a 'compelling public interest' to impose legal restrictions on the actions of its citizens.


That's "pubLic" interest... not "pubic".


Its funny how many people are willing to abandon the principle of individual freedom when it comes to their narrowly obsessive personal "issues".

Strip people of gun ownership, strip people of the freedom to speak, censor art or music... a hundred little ways in which otherwise decent humanbeings just can not tolerate that other people are doing somehting they don't personally approve of.

What you people advocate is just one more step toward a police state.
 
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