Erect penises in Maori carvings.

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    This is a cropped image taken from a picture the Wellington daily paper last week printed to illustrate the opening of a new events centre at Porirua (N.Z.). Of the three carved representations, two are ancestral male figures. Carvings of ancestral males in the Classical Maori style included an erect penis. The European missionaries were horrified at this assuming it had a sexual meaning. The two effects were traditional carving for many years excluded the penis. Existing carvings in the meeting houses had the penis removed. In recent times there has been a strong resurgence of Maori culture and belief. In the traditional carving style the penis was always erect. This meant that the ancestral figure was inspired by the gods and that the tribe was therefore favoured. With traditional carvings the various parts of the body seem to be out of proportion. This is deliberate so as to place emphasis. The penis is an example. It is however worth noting that the various male ancestral figures were known to have a large penises anyway. Howard.
     

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    Howard - do you have any personal experience seeing Maori guys naked? Do they tend to be hung small, average, or big? I think some of them are super attractive...I'm not usually into bigger-built guys, but it's a look that really works for Polynesians.

    Lucky you, living in Wellington. I love it there!
     
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    Howard,

    I think the Polynesians were much more open about sexuality - reports from the early European exploreres confirm this!

    I have a carving of Tangaroa that I picked up in the Cooks many years ago. He has a magnificent cut penis that almost touches the ground as it hangs heavily between his slightly flexed legs.

    Despite the ongoing influences of the Chuches in the islands, at least there is sufficient cultural pride to re-establish such carvings in the traditional manner, rather than the "abbreviated" versions that the missionaries deemed acceptable.
     
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    Usually it is a symbol of fertility but it depends on the icon that is sporting it.
     
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    I mean...the doorway to a wharenui (Maori meeting house) is supposed to be a vagina...so...it's not an attempt at overt sexuality, just masculinity versus femininity. I love Wellington! I would also be interested in some erotic moko (the traditional tattoos) because I find them truly spectacular.
     
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    I remember as a kid, being taken to some restaurant somewhere, and seeing some statue of a man, complete with an obvious flacid penis. As a kid, it seemed inappropriate, and I may have remarked about it, but as an adult now, I think maybe it's just "art," or a natural part of the body. Much like how it's natural, to-be-expected, and appropriate to be visibly pregnant. Now I might think, such a restaurant is too high-class, too high-brow, too expensive to dine at anyway? I like a nice family restaurant, that doesn't offer any alcoholic beverages, and that of course, provides high chairs and welcome babies.

    I don't think phalic symbols like that, should be overly emphasized in society. But I like to think or hope, that a statue of a man, would it be King David?, that shows the beauty of the human form, including the penis, wouldn't somehow damage the morality of society?

    I think Britney Spears sculpture thing, with the baby coming out of it, counts as appropriate pro-life art. Humans reproducing naturally is the proper natural function, within marriage of course, hopefully.
     
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    As far as is known Maori penises are within the average range. There is evidence, however, that penis size played a role in who became leaders. In traditional Maori society the male organ was regarded as a symbol of virility and highly sacred. In warfare the state of penis was representative of courage. (Maori soldiers fought naked). If, for instance, the leader of a war party awoke with an erection before the battle, this was taken as proof that his courage ran high and was an omen of success. Peter Buck quotes a Ngati Raukawa chant, in which the opposition are taunted with “When will your penis become enraged. When will your penis become erect?”. (Aawhea too ure ka riri : Aawhea too ure ka torta?) Another story concerns one Taketake, an 18th C chief of the Ngati Whare. His fortification above the Whirinaki River was about to be overrun by a force of Ngati Kahungungu. Takatake sprung to the breastwork naked where he could be seen by the attackers. He held his erect penis in his hands. The enemy were so filled with admiration that they withheld the attack for a while. The delay enabled Taketake’s men to work around the enthralled enemy and attack them from the rear and defeat them. Such at any rate is the account remembered by the descendants of Taketake, who are still known by the phrase “nga uri o Taketake ure roa” which translated means “the people of Taketake whose penis is long”.A chief with a particularly large erection was considered especially favoured by the Gods. There is some evidence that this played a role in determining who became a chief. The story of Taketake also illustrates the point that success in a battle could indeed turn on the size of the chief's erection and for that matter on the erections of his troops since this was proof of how much support they had from the Gods and not solely on military tactics.One needs to bear in mind the Maori troops in pre-colonial times were young men led by someone only slightly older all at the peak of their sexual prowess and as such would have been aroused very quickly. An examination of a picture of a group of “warriors preparing for battle” in “New Zealanders iluustated” by George French Angas (1844) suggests they are between 18 and 25. Angas in his commentary refers to the preparation as “poukaua”. The youngest warrior is pictured naked save a shoulder bag. An erect penis in Maori society was nothing to be ashamed about, to the contrary, it was a source of pride. It was an index of the influence of the Gods and a requirement for battle. Impressing the enemy, fellow warriors, and the elders and fulfilling the requirement of being erect itself, would be of the upmost importance Doubtless there would have been a air of great excitement and erotic anticipation leading up to the haka and fight. The aggression of the situation would have played a key part anyway. Another known for the size of his penis was Kahungungu. Carved sculptures, of ancestral male figures, often very impressive, which stood on the gateway of fortified villages or storage houses, or toped posts on palisades and held up the ridge poles of roofs, included an erect penis. Howard.
     
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    Maori genital markings occurred in both sexes. More is recorded in Maori oral history and in the accounts of ethnographers of the genital moko of women, the ipu whakairo. These were made by women tattooists who pricked, rather than cut the skin into patterns around the vagina.

    With males the penis was occasionally tattooed. This practice varied from tribe to tribe. In some areas it was restricted to chiefs, but on the East Coast of the North Island, amongst the Ngati Porou there was no chiefly restriction. Rather then there being lines tattooed on the penis, the penis as a whole was coloured black by tattooing. The method of tattooing can be assumed to be pricking.

    The penis was tattooed for effect. Maori warriors with a full body tattoo, with a blackened erection, and the blackened tongue would have made a great impact in the war haka. The same would have the case the case in war haka performed for the entertainment of the tribe.

    In recent years there has been a resurgence of Maori tattooing. A reference in a recent book “Mau moko” does suggest that there are Maori males today with the traditional penis tattoo.

    Overseas ethinic type tattoos have become very popular, especially the arm band. Penis tattoos are fashionable in some quarters. The only known example in the public domain of a penis tattooed in a way consistent with Maori patterns is that of Logan McCree, an American actor who stars in gay pornography movies. McCree’s tattoo is made up of three lines on the shaft of the penis from the base but not including the head, being a continuation of three Maori like designs on the stomach area.

    There has been some discussion on the internet concerning whether penis tattoos are put on an erect penis. Though a penis tattoo can go on a flaccid penis from the point of view of the tattooist a hard penis is much better to work on. The tendency otherwise is for the design not to be as sharp and complete as it should be. The consensus of those with this type of marking is that they were erect at the time. From the way the penis tattoos on Logan McCree is exactly proportioned and straight on his erect penis is that the tattoo was done on an erection. This does imply that the penis tattoos of Maori were made on an erection. Some people have a difficult time maintaining their erection, but generally speaking the determination to remain erect outways the pain.
    Penis tattoos are a very special tattoo as they underline male masculinity, that is are phallic and this sets them apart from tattoos in general. A variety of modern designs are followed. Regretably ethnic designs are unusual today. A key difference with today is that penis tattoos of the Maori in the past were uncovered in public. Logan McCree has the distinction of being the only example of someone in modern times who has a traditional looking penis tattoo who makes no attempt to hide his identity.

    The attachment shows the full tattoo of Logan McGree. It incourporates elements of Maori circular patterning. Howard.
     

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    Very interesting. I must admit, I think it looks pretty damn cool. Lol
     
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    Logan McCree is actually German. I think he's bisexual and lives in a small town outside of Hamburg (?). He personally reveals this information during interviews. A super sexy man.
     
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    Wow! I usually find the large body-covering tribal tatts a bit overwhelming but this guy carries it off great!

    I'll have to do some research and find his professional work...sorry for the detour. Back to the discussion.:biggrin1:
     
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