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Superb result for Nigel Farage and his six week old Brexit party.The so called second referendum has been settled unequivocally...
Personally, I do think May's deal was the best on offer - and I'd be happy with a referendum on whether to accept it or not.I only can repeat what I wrote at the Euro thread...
You can't tell.
The Brexit party got the majority of the votes, but not the total of all votes. Therefore you can't speak of a clear win for Brexit.
Just like MPs from the cons and labour, you have voter of every party who support Brexit or not.
It will be quite difficult to sort out how many voters support what... every poll shows it. Depending on the question you get a majority for Brexit, or against.
If you want to know what people want, let them vote again.
Personally I liked May's idea to pass the Brexit law in the parliament and let the people vote about it in a second referendum.
The parliament definitely isn't able to find a solution and May's deal is the only thing the British government will ever be able to offer... a hard Brexit has no majority.
So, let's the people decide: May's Brexit or no Brexit.
What I'm not particularly looking forward to, is Farage's party being the joint-largest single party in the EP.I only can repeat what I wrote at the Euro thread...
You can't tell.
The Brexit party got the majority of the votes, but not the total of all votes. Therefore you can't speak of a clear win for Brexit.
Just like MPs from the cons and labour, you have voter of every party who support Brexit or not.
It will be quite difficult to sort out how many voters support what... every poll shows it. Depending on the question you get a majority for Brexit, or against.
If you want to know what people want, let them vote again.
Personally I liked May's idea to pass the Brexit law in the parliament and let the people vote about it in a second referendum.
The parliament definitely isn't able to find a solution and May's deal is the only thing the British government will ever be able to offer... a hard Brexit has no majority.
So, let's the people decide: May's Brexit or no Brexit.
Having the largest party doesn't gives you anything in the EU parliament. Even to be the largest fraction doesn't gives you any bonus.What I'm not particularly looking forward to, is Farage's party being the joint-largest single party in the EP.
While I think it does give a clear message on the UK public's Brexit feelings, I can't help thinking it may be very unhelpful having Farage causing even more chaos than usual, rather than the UK being constructive after these elections...
Total bollox.The vote has been had twice and the result the same.What you are advocating is proportional representation,which neither the public want nor Labour or the Conservatives.More to the point no one asked for it,so you cannot ask for it now when the vote goes the other way.I only can repeat what I wrote at the Euro thread...
You can't tell.
The Brexit party got the majority of the votes, but not the total of all votes. Therefore you can't speak of a clear win for Brexit.
Just like MPs from the cons and labour, you have voter of every party who support Brexit or not.
It will be quite difficult to sort out how many voters support what... every poll shows it. Depending on the question you get a majority for Brexit, or against.
If you want to know what people want, let them vote again.
Personally I liked May's idea to pass the Brexit law in the parliament and let the people vote about it in a second referendum.
The parliament definitely isn't able to find a solution and May's deal is the only thing the British government will ever be able to offer... a hard Brexit has no majority.
So, let's the people decide: May's Brexit or no Brexit.
A referendum is just like a proportional vote...Total bollox.The vote has been had twice and the result the same.What you are advocating is proportional representation,which neither the public want nor Labour or the Conservatives.More to the point no one asked for it,so you cannot ask for it now when the vote goes the other way.
The referendum was given by Parliament to the people not the other way round and the people have delivered their answer.Don't advocate changing the goal posts again when the vote goes against you .THATS THE EU'S JOB!!
A referendum is nothing like proportional representation.In the U.K we have and have always had the first past the post system,its very straight forward.The terms are laid out before the vote takes place.You cannot change from one voting system to another to appease the losers.A referendum is just like a proportional vote...
And there was only ONE vote about it. I don't get your point.
And that I like May's idea is absolutely legitimate, if you consider the current political situation in the UK.
The chaos is not of Farage's making.The EU have done everything to thwart our exit with a complete lack of respect for the public vote and even said they don't want us to benefit in any way from our leaving.Look how they behaved over Ireland and the Lisbon Treaty.The rest is the manipulation by the Westminster establishment to wrestle back the result from the people by hook or by crook.What I'm not particularly looking forward to, is Farage's party being the joint-largest single party in the EP.
While I think it does give a clear message on the UK public's Brexit feelings, I can't help thinking it may be very unhelpful having Farage causing even more chaos than usual, rather than the UK being constructive after these elections...
So at the referendum you count all votes and at the end you show the result in percentage. Sounds very much like proportional.A referendum is nothing like proportional representation.In the U.K we have and have always had the first past the post system,its very straight forward.The terms are laid out before the vote takes place.You cannot change from one voting system to another to appease the losers.
Nobody liked May's deal,not even she knew it was viable.
The votes are always shown as a percentage but that doesn't determine the result.The result is the party that has the clears the demarcation line by achieving a majority.Jeez it's been the case in the U.K from the year dot!So at the referendum you count all votes and at the end you show the result in percentage. Sounds very much like proportional.
Not like general British elections, where you fraction the whole island and declare a winner at every area...
Right...The votes are always shown as a percentage but that doesn't determine the result.The result is the party that has the clears the demarcation line by achieving a majority.Jeez it's been the case in the U.K from the year dot!
A Like I said its the first party or result to achieve a majority.There is no second place.In a referendum it is one issue,one question,a simple yes or no.Right...
And it's different if you run a referendum.
Right... absolutely different to your general election.A Like I said its the first party or result to achieve a majority.There is no second place.In a referendum it is one issue,one question,a simple yes or no.