European video game makers?

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  1. Wyldgusechaz

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    I am not a gamer so I have little knwledge of who makes what. Clearly anyone who has followed my other posts knows where I am going with this but how big a player is Europe in creating video games?

    I know Japan and America are big. Its a $10 billion dollar industry larger than the cinema. Be forewarned my guess ithat there is little coming out of Europe, reflecting a lack of creativity.

    I would like to be proved wrong, that Europe is at the forefront of video game technology and creativity. Video game creation is a high energy high creativity industry with emphasis on both plot and graphics. It demands some real innovation. Wasn't Guitar Hero made by a European?
     
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    Guitar hero was made in America. Red Octane and Actvision are American companies, I believe.
     
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    Tetris It's still rather popular. It was originally designed and programmed by a real Russian working for a real Russian software company. It's also the only computer game that has shown to increase brain function the more a person plays it. But the same claim can be made about Contract Bridge.
     
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    What are you trying to reach with this? Do you really want to hear that the USA is superior compared too the rest of the world?
     
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    Fine, I'll lower myself to your standard and reply again:

    What you want to hear is that europeans are not at the forefront of video game technology...fine, they are not. Our creativity shows in books, REAL art, architecture, fashion, ...

    Why? Because most computer-related businesses are located in the US and Asia, I assume.

    Europe IS creative. And America is NOT superior. Give it up, you're making a fool out of yourself. Feeling superior is so five minutes ago. It reminds me of some guy...living about 70 years ago...name starts with an 'H'.
     
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    Shall I assume there are few video game creators in Europe?

    The intent is to question why we in America would ever want to be re made in the likeness of Europe? Thats what our present leadership wants. We have problems in America but do we REALLY want to kill our creativity by becoming European Socialist?

    IMO creativity flows from mental energy. IMO socialism kills mental energy. Everybody becomes the same, there is no spark to make new things and create new ideas. The Soviet Union was the dead zone of thought. Europe is getting closer. Pieter you are a good guy but you tell me why there aren't young kids sitting around creating fun computer games in Europe? There are 730 million Europeans, where is there new age creativity.

    IMO its not possible do do both be socialist and creative, they simply do not co exist. We have som many examples of that.

    Socialism seeks the lower common denominator. That has never been America. We have great successes and of course dismal failures. Trying to make everyone the same will simply destroy the caldron that gave us a Bill Gates or a Steven Jobs or a Steven Speilberg or a Carly Fiorino.

    Again are there any large video game makers in europe??
     
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    Of course there are videocreators in Europe, a friend of mine is one :rolleyes:.

    I don't think they want to remake the USA as Europe. What they want is to work more together with Europe and the rest of the world. Under the leadership of Bush, the USA didn't made a good name around the world like they did before. So it's agood step to take steps to work together, to look for peace and don't fixate on terrorism only.
     
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    The Grand Theft Auto games, perhaps some of the biggest selling games ever, are made here in Scotland, by Rockstar North, who were formerly DMA design of Lemmings fame.

    Rockstar North - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Europe has a thriving video games industry, but not the resources of the US or Japan, hence you get more independent type games coming out, such as Little Big Planet on the PS3
     
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    Yes, there are plenty of videogame designers in Europe - which are extremely creative - however they eventually get bought out by bigger American companies (EA, etc.)

    Core Design which created Lara Croft - and developed the first 6 Tomb Raider games is based in Derbyshire, England. They were bought by Eidos, and the development is now done in America (by Crystal Dynamics).

    The developers behind GTA (one of the most successful titles in the world) are from Scotland, I believe.

    Codemasters (Toca Touring Cars, Race Driver:Grid and Micro Machines) are English.

    Evolution Studios (WRC, Motorstorm - one of the PS3 launch titles) is based near Liverpool - but is now owned by Sony Europe. Evo is an incredibly innovative company - a friend of mine works there. They previewed Motorstorm:pacific Rift at Leipzig (which is now a more important gaming expo than E3 in America. The other important one being Tokyo).

    Psygnosis (also Liverpool - and absorbed into Sony) created Wipeout among other things.

    Yes there is creativity and talent here - but the big bucks are in the US.

    On a separate note: no I don't think you should make yourselves in the image of Europe. Sure, you can learn things from us - but we can learn things from you also.

    America is different from Europe, and you should do things the way that is best for you. Mentioning gaming wasn't perhaps the best idea tho, as Europe is rather good at being creative and inventive. Take car manufacturing for instance...
     
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    The intent is to question why we in America would ever want to be re made in the likeness of Europe? Thats what our present leadership wants. We have problems in America but do we REALLY want to kill our creativity by becoming European Socialist?
    We are more capitalistic than socialistic, and you know it.

    IMO its not possible do do both be socialist and creative, they simply do not co exist. We have som many examples of that.
    Like?
     
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    Compromises are always good.
     
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    The gaming industry survives on only a few different genres and an audience that moves on every 5-6 years. It's hardly a hot bed of creativity.
     
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    'Mericuhns and Europeans can all agree that Wyldgusechaz is kind of a dick. rejoice in unity!!

    ml
     
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    Maybe you get a bad vibe from the rest of europe because they don't like you wylde...

    And it's not because you 'personally' do not include England with Europe...that it is like that.

    If you 'personally' think that cats should be called dogs... does the rest of the world have to oblige? NO

    England is part of Europe, whether you like it or not
     
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    I'm sorry. I seem to be in a mild daze here... or a woozy stupor...

    Exactly which one of wildgusechaz's three simultaneously-running anti-Europe threads am I on?
     
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    Oh GI3n you fell into it. I was kinda waiting for the snobby *REAL ART* comment from someone. Thank you.


    I was skiing yesterday and I took the time to watch all the young snowboarders doing their thing in the terrain park. Wild heavy energy music, wildly unique clothes, snowboards decorated in individual styles, lots and lots of energy. Incredible aerial tricks. Death defying. Thats their art, thats their music. Is that more base than a La Traviata or a Mona Lisa? Maybe to us but not to them. I like some opera and I also like American Bluegrass music. Which is better? I know I feel better listening some down home blue grass, thats for sure. Who makes that judgement? You? I don't think so. Is creating a CGI scene with its shading and sunlight and reflections and movement any less art than a Monet? I am not sure.

    What books are you talking about? I am curious.
     
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    Oh GI3n you fell into it. I was kinda waiting for the snobby *REAL ART* comment from someone. Thank you.
    You can call me Glenn. And you're very welcome. You know me, if I can help...


    I was skiing yesterday and I took the time to watch all the young snowboarders doing their thing in the terrain park. Wild heavy energy music, wildly unique clothes, snowboards decorated in individual styles, lots and lots of energy. Incredible aerial tricks. Death defying. Thats their art, thats their music. Is that more base than a La Traviata or a Mona Lisa? Maybe to us but not to them. I like some opera and I also like American Bluegrass music. Which is better? I know I feel better listening some down home blue grass, thats for sure. Who makes that judgement? You? I don't think so. Is creating a CGI scene with its shading and sunlight and reflections and movement any less art than a Monet? I am not sure.
    Yes, art is subjective etc etc. You like whatever you want etc. But you say yourself that this is art too. Then why is european art inferior to that? Why is Europe less creative than 'wearing unique clothes, snowboards, ...'. That's hardly art btw, more a lifestyle.

    What books are you talking about? I am curious
    Google: european authors/books. You'll see. On the top of my head, try one of the most popular authors in the world (even america): Rowling.
     
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    Wildgusechaz writes:

    "Thats their art, thats their music. Is that more base than a La Traviata or a Mona Lisa? Maybe to us but not to them. I like some opera and I also like American Bluegrass music. Which is better? I know I feel better listening some down home blue grass, thats for sure. Who makes that judgement? You? I don't think so. Is creating a CGI scene with its shading and sunlight and reflections and movement any less art than a Monet? I am not sure."

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    You culture vulture.

    Wildgusechaz might as well say: What's the difference between Michelangelo and Andy Warhol's Soup Cans? It's all in the eye of the beholder! -- What's the difference between the frescoes on the Sistine Chapel ceiling and spray-paint graffiti art? Between the Beatles and a Carl's Jr. commercial jingle? Nothing!! All depends on who's evaluating.

    You culture thug.
     
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