Eurozone Sovereign Debt Crisis part 2 - Ireland

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Undoubtedly. That's why the EU is able to produce a monthly food fraud report, because there is negligible enforcement or testing or traceability.

Ya know, I think I'd prefer to take my chances with the group that produces the fraud report, rather than drying to do trade deals with the guys outside that camp who try to see how many antibiotics you can wedge into a cow or a chicken before you kill it.

There's a reason that really cheap food is really cheap.

So you are happy that the EU produces a paper that says everything is rosey even though they don't check or enforce it.....okay...
 

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So you are happy that the EU produces a paper that says everything is rosey even though they don't check or enforce it.....okay...

I know you're probably used to this and almost expecting it at this stage, but unlike the Conservative Government's Brexit strategy, most reports aren't made up on the spot. They don't produce a paper without checks, that just doesn't happen.

As I also said, I'm betting on the side of England's Chief Medical Officer over your opinions too. She's particularly concerned over the UK's chubbie for cheap food post Brexit, and would much prefer EU food standards. Guess she's wrong too, right?
 

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I know you're probably used to this and almost expecting it at this stage, but unlike the Conservative Government's Brexit strategy, most reports aren't made up on the spot. They don't produce a paper without checks, that just doesn't happen.

As I also said, I'm betting on the side of England's Chief Medical Officer over your opinions too. She's particularly concerned over the UK's chubbie for cheap food post Brexit, and would much prefer EU food standards. Guess she's wrong too, right?


Quote "that's why the EU is able to produce a monthly food fraud report, because there is negligible enforcement or testing or traceability."
 

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Quote "that's why the EU is able to produce a monthly food fraud report, because there is negligible enforcement or testing or traceability."

Yes, thats sarcasm. If it flew over the top of your conker, don't worry about it. If its because your head is in your ass, I think there's probably a treatment for that.

Or maybe you're just asleep at the wheel, like the muppet in Gavin Newlands' photo ... Gavin Newlands MP on Twitter
 
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HUman rights,you mean like the EU armed forces being used on French people for the last 42 weeks with how many injured and dead, or maybe the people of Catalonia?

Yes, yes, you seem really to be one of the Putinbots. The gilets jaunes have been sent as the revenge against the fact that the Russians were not able to rig the presidential election. Indeed, France was cut from the internet during polling.
 

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Yes, thats sarcasm. If it flew over the top of your conker, don't worry about it. If its because your head is in your ass, I think there's probably a treatment for that.
Or maybe you're just asleep at the wheel, like the muppet in Gavin Newlands' photo ... Gavin Newlands MP on Twitter

Love it.
 

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Well now, Boris doesn't look happy. Parliament taking control.

Boris fancies himself as a modern day Churchill... now Winston Churchill's grandson is likely to now lose the whip and be deselected by Boris.

Amazing turn of events.
 
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Well now, Boris doesn't look happy. Parliament taking control.

Boris fancies himself as a modern day Churchill... now Winston Churchill's grandson is likely to now lose the whip and be deselected by Boris.

Amazing turn of events.
Tomorrow we will know if there has to be a deal...

But Boris most likely will get his election as well. He did everything he could to achieve it.
 
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Yes, thats sarcasm. If it flew over the top of your conker, don't worry about it. If its because your head is in your ass, I think there's probably a treatment for that.

Or maybe you're just asleep at the wheel, like the muppet in Gavin Newlands' photo ... Gavin Newlands MP on Twitter

I know exactly where my head is thanks fella, no need for a knitted gimp mask to tell me. Glad you know so much about the whole subject without any experience in it but if you are happy to swallow the pill then good luck to you. If you ever want to go visit some of those lovely bastions of animal welfare and food health give me a shout and I will dig out my lab coat and boots for you, trust me you will need them.
 

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I know exactly where my head is thanks fella, no need for a knitted gimp mask to tell me. Glad you know so much about the whole subject without any experience in it but if you are happy to swallow the pill then good luck to you. If you ever want to go visit some of those lovely bastions of animal welfare and food health give me a shout and I will dig out my lab coat and boots for you, trust me you will need them.
Right... the EU definitely has to improve in many cases, especially Germany. We need better food quality and higher standards for animals. I'm absolutely with you.

B
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...your arguement was to import food from the USA.
A country, where animals really have to suffer and get a chlorine bath to make sure that consumers don't get sick.
Where your beef is so full of hormones that you would need a doctor's attestation in Europe...

But hey, everyone what he deserves
 
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Well now, Boris doesn't look happy. Parliament taking control.

Boris fancies himself as a modern day Churchill... now Winston Churchill's grandson is likely to now lose the whip and be deselected by Boris.

Amazing turn of events.

Sir Nicholas Soames, along with the other twenty Conservative MPs who voted against the Government at this crucial time will richly deserve to lose the whip. I wasn't surprised by the outcome of this evening's vote but I was hugely disappointed.
 
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I know that experts aren't en vogue at the moment what with the new world order of Trump and Brexit and the brains trust of {Johnson/Gove/Davis/Fox/Raab/Patel}... wouldn't want that bunch of merry geniuses on my pub quiz team, let alone running my country.
Brutal. I love it.

Holyfuckingshit, what a time to be alive
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Sir Nicholas Soames, along with the other twenty Conservative MPs who voted against the Government at this crucial time will richly deserve to lose the whip. I wasn't surprised by the outcome of this evening's vote but I was hugely disappointed.

Massive defeat... the scale is hugely significant. No hope of BJ waffling his way out of this.

The government's position is simply incongruent with that of parliament. Labour's move next, wonder what happens...
 
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I know exactly where my head is thanks fella, no need for a knitted gimp mask to tell me. Glad you know so much about the whole subject without any experience in it but if you are happy to swallow the pill then good luck to you. If you ever want to go visit some of those lovely bastions of animal welfare and food health give me a shout and I will dig out my lab coat and boots for you, trust me you will need them.

England wants cheaper food. England can't feed itself. Cheaper food is cheaper for a reason. I might be a muppet, but my head isn't stuffed with cotton wool like yours seems to be. I can join the dots there...

If you do trade deals for cheaper grub, you'll end up nostalgic for even the worst quality food from the EU...

Just ask your Chief Medical Officer, don't take my word for it. She's not a muppet and she's smarter than you :D
 
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21 brave Tory rebels (including former chancellors) who put country before the Tory party and ideology have now lost the whip, on what, Boris's second day in parliament??

His government is now utterly impotent, about as useful as a bravado's big floppy willy... And like that big floppy willy, I wonder is Boris's premiership also to suffer from the premature ejaculation of hubris?

The Tory party is tearing itself a new arsehole from the inside out.
 
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a most dissatisfied bunch of politicians i dont think ive ever known
defying everything
quick to say aye' when the KILLER SAUDIS are involved
worse than special relationship USA
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Britain’s Parliament defied Prime Minister Boris Johnson in a move to derail his Brexit plans, which could lead him to call for early elections.
Tuesday, September 3, 2019 5:12 PM EST


The lawmakers voted to take control of Parliament away from the government, giving themselves the authority to pass legislation that would stop the prime minister from his threat of a no-deal Brexit.


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better than anything the buggers have in any govt




POMMIES ARE FUCKWITS biggest joke of the year 'better than special relationship USA huh

jusrt wonderful/GREAT

WESTERN WHITE BBULLSHIT DEMOCRACY what a joke
 

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Boris Johnson continues the conservative campaign to stop Brexit.

The conservatives strategy hasnt changed from Cameron to May to Johnson. The idea is to claim to support Brexit, but to make sure it never happens. If the conservatives say they support brexit but somehow they are prevented from doing it, they lock in leave voters supporting them forever. To work, they must never deliver Brexit.

The first step was a promise of a referendum. But the tories expected to lose the election where they promised it, and if they won their liberal partners would block one. libs lost and con got a majority after all, so that didnt work. Having won, thy kinda had to deliver a referendum, but plenty of ways yet to stop brexit.

Next they held a non binding referendum, which even the suprememe court said could not be binding because it didnt include every british citizen who was affected. It was the least binding version they could get away with.

They confidently expected remain to win. but because remain did not try very hard leave won (if they tried harder, it would have meant con MPs attacking their own party policy, for example on allowing immigration, so they didnt.). Boris was filmed looking horrified the day after. The clown had won when he was meant to lose.

The government stalled for six months despite having promised to act immediately. Then they gave notice to leave to show willing, but held an election promising a hard brexit. The rhetoric was leave, but their hard line was intended to scare away soft brexiteers who might have changed their minds. Their accompanying manifesto promised more economic pain, and they even threatened to tax their main support group, pensioners, and bring back hunting to upset conservationists. They left an open goal for labour on all matters aside from brexit. The conservatives in effect held a second referendum on Brexit, hoping to lose, and they nearly did. Not quite, but they did give more power to opponents of Brexit.

Government negotiated a deal. In the process they wasted every minute they could to use up the 2 years negotiating time and ensure parliament would be under time pressure. Not because time allowed them to force though something, but because it forced the opposition to oppose them. The deal itself contained a number of things leavers hated. It does not achieve what leavers said they wanted as it makes the Uk a vassal state of the EU. That was the point of negotiating it, to prove an acceptable deal could not be negotiated. One strand of the leave campaign was to promise a marvellous deal. The aim here was to prove that had been a lie..and to presuade soft leavers to become remainers. In a modest way, it worked.

Parliament rejected the deal and forced the conservative government to extend the deadline. May had proved the deal was awful, but she had little credibility left with hard leave voters and support was tumbling. Change of leader needed. Not to change policy, which has always been to defeat leave. But to make a change of image credible and get back those foolish leave voters

So enter the clown again. BJs job to push a hard brexit, because the deal has been rejected by leave supporters (well everyone really, 6% national support in polling). But at the same time conservatives have still divided themselves into two camps. Both say they want brexit, but one half says hard leave is unacceptable, the other that soft leave is unacceptable. The two sides have ruthlessly attacked brexit in the name of furthering brexit.

Boris has made wilder and wilder statements aimed at offending remainers and soft brexiteers, insisting on a no deal exit from the EU. MPs are near unanimous this must not happen. He has torn up the constitution offending traditionalists and voters. An unprecedented number of conservative MPs rebelled yesterday, including two former chancellors and Winston Churchill's grandson. Life long conservatives, who being interviewed stated they are still conservatives as they have always been, but the party has become right wing extremists. Ken Clarke stated maybe only 20 MPs want a no deal brexit. The government calling for this to happen is a sham and they have never wanted it to happen. The entire pantomime was aimed at giving the impressions of going for brexit at any cost, but in reality to force parliament to stand against it. Enough conservatives had to be given cover to help labour by increasing their numbers. While they have been thrown out now, in a year they will be back in the party (if brexit is settled, that is. Cameron too said he is planning a post brexit comeback).

The conservatives cannot bring in the deal, because the country has rejected it. In particular, hard leave have rejected it and it was them this whole process was aimed at pleasing. This was where May came unstuck. They cannot bring in hard leave because it would destroy the Uk economy. What they could do is claim to be as rabidly leave as Farage and force veryone else to unite against them. So now parliament is seeking to force the government not to leave the EU without its consent by using emergency legislation. In reaction, BJ is demanding an election. If he gets one, he stands a chance of losing and so ending the torture of the conservative party, because they could then say they had no power to bring in brexit, they had thrown it away. (well, probably would not say they had THROWN it away, but they did.)

It seems likely parliament will get its emergency legislation. If they do, then is has in effect made a decision that the Uk should not leave the EU with no deal. A small step towards resolving the situation. There are only a couple of ways to proceed. Either cancel brexit arbitrarily, or have another referendum asking people if they want a particular form of brexit, or to cancel the whole thing.
 
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Rees-Mogg's share of profits from Somerset capital, the financial company he part founded and which has done a runner to ireland because of Brexit, is a million pounds. Jacob Rees-Mogg looks forward to £1m reward from Somerset Capital Management

Thats the Mogg who yesterday during the debate was lying down on the government front bench having a nap. I wondered whether he was contemplating the possibilty than in a month's time he might no longer be an MP and have a right to nap in the commons chamber.

Meanwhile, Phil Hammond has said he intends to start the fight back to return the conservative party to its traditional values and get rid of entryist leavers. Hammond: 'I am going to defend my party'

The 20 volunteers who oposed the government so as to defeat it said there are 50 more of like mind not declared. Ken Clarke said maybe only 20 MPs actually support no deal Brexit.