Eurozone Sovereign Debt Crisis part 2 - Ireland

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Of course you don't care because you are a thick twat and would welcome a gov who would drive more money and jobs out of the UK than Brexit ever could but as I say you don't live here so it's all shits and giggles for you.

Oh, I don't know about that... Brexit has laid down a pretty challenging marker on that score already, according to S&P Global...
 
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The Brexit story moves into a new level of rumour.

What certain happened today is that Nigel Farage's radio programme had an unlikely phone in. The style of the programme is that people ring in to chat with NF, perhaps to ask questions, perhaps to disagree, but often to tell him he's marvellous. And indeed today's caller did the last. What was remarkable is that the caller was Donald Trump.

This is a triumph for Farage and Brexit Party. Trump also praised Johnson, and said that Johnson and Farage working together would be unstoppable.

Which brings us bang into the rumour mill. The story is that tomorrow (Friday) Brexit Party will announce that it is standing down candidates in hundreds of constituencies, basically those that have the potential to deliver a Conservative Brexiteer. If this is correct then it is transformative. People have talked of BP potentially stopping Con from winning up to 100 seats with Lab or LibDem coming through the mess of a split right/Brexit vote. If this is the case it is a monumental boost for Johnson.
I hate to be Cassandra, but you'd be wise not to align yourself with anything Mr Trump says or does.
 

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I hate to be Cassandra, but you'd be wise not to align yourself with anything Mr Trump says or does.

Johnson has rejected the Trump-Farage position.

The problem remains that Brexit Party can do Conservatives monumental damage and in effect make Corbyn PM without winning a single seat. Some sort of deal really is needed. However it all seems to be about Farage's ego.
 

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Johnson has rejected the Trump-Farage position.

The problem remains that Brexit Party can do Conservatives monumental damage and in effect make Corbyn PM without winning a single seat. Some sort of deal really is needed. However it all seems to be about Farage's ego.

This sums up why we need to be rid of this Tory Government.

No positives, just a negative. A Project Fear perhaps?

Vote Tory and get a Brexit that only 30% of the country thinks they want. And that figure includes all the right wing racists in the nation.

Vote Tory and find out how much you really do have in common with Rees Mogg.

The Labour Party have started a campaign based on Positives and the Liberals have started with the big issue supported by the majority of the country.

Boris wanted this election and he is already on the back foot.
 
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This sums up why we need to be rid of this Tory Government.

No positives, just a negative. A Project Fear perhaps?

Vote Tory and get a Brexit that only 30% of the country thinks they want. And that figure includes all the right wing racists in the nation.

Vote Tory and find out how much you really do have in common with Rees Mogg.

The Labour Party have started a campaign based on Positives and the Liberals have started with the big issue supported by the majority of the country.

Boris wanted this election and he is already on the back foot.

So how are you going to vote? The only realistic candidates as PM are Johnson and Corbyn. Corbyn is leader of what has become the Jew-hating party, a friend of terrorists, and he thinks Venezuela went wrong because the Marxism a plié was too modest. He wants the UK to be friends with Palestine and Iran and he sees USA as the enemy. Putin and Xi are sort of okay.

Corbyn might well send Drifter to the gulag because he's one of those capitalist business people who create profit.
 

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So how are you going to vote? The only realistic candidates as PM are Johnson and Corbyn. Corbyn is leader of what has become the Jew-hating party, a friend of terrorists, and he thinks Venezuela went wrong because the Marxism a plié was too modest. He wants the UK to be friends with Palestine and Iran and he sees USA as the enemy. Putin and Xi are sort of okay.

Corbyn might well send Drifter to the gulag because he's one of those capitalist business people who create profit.

I vote in a constituency that votes in any donkey with a red rosette. I don't blame them either. You can't change history and hatred of Tories very easily.

It's a shame that the Liberals are still recovering from being stabbed in the back by the Tories over tuition fees.

Perhaps you don't see how much the Tories are hated from your bubble Jase. And now the centrist Tories are hated by the ERG Tories.

As a bit of an outsider on this one, the Country has had enough of Brexit and it has had enough of Tories. You may well lose this one.

I personally don't make a profit in the UK anymore. I have been advocating that move since 2016.
 

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Of course you don't care because you are a thick twat and would welcome a gov who would drive more money and jobs out of the UK than Brexit ever could
You do realise that britain was booming under the last labour government...until the US bank fraud caused a world recession?

So now we should hitch ourselves to those fraudulent americans who caused the recession last time?
 

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You do realise that britain was booming under the last labour government...until the US bank fraud caused a world recession?

So now we should hitch ourselves to those fraudulent americans who caused the recession last time?

Yeah fair booming so it was :rolleyes:

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Johnson has rejected the Trump-Farage position.
But he is still merrily negotiating a Trump deal to pay US drug companies more for the drugs we use.

The problem remains that Brexit Party can do Conservatives monumental damage.
Yes, Farage denied it once again this morning on TV, but I am beginning to think thie entire brexit movement has been about making Farage prime minister. If to do that he has to destroy the conservatives he will.

After he got rich in the city, or whatever it was, I can imagine he looked around for another challenge...and decided to become prime minister. To do that he needed a party, and to get one started he needed a cause. Doesnt much mind which party it is. Doesnt mind how much this costs the rest of us, the aim is to see if he could beat the system and become PM. Just like Trump.

Farage would fall in with Johnson if his aim was simply Brexit. But instead he has set himself against Johnson's plan. If Johnson gives in and agrees to Farage's plan, then BxP will be guaranteed MPs under that plan. But the offer was one Johnson cannot accept, and which would tear apart the conservative party becase all the soft brexiteers would revolt. Brexit would not happen if Johnson agreed to Farage's offer. And the conservatives as the biggest party would get the blame for that failure.

Then at the next election BxP would get more MPs themselves and con fewer. And farage would continue until BxP had replaced con. He would be perfectly happy if Brexit never happens, and indeed it cannot be allowed to happen because then he would have lost his cause, which is propelling him into power.

And of course, if on refuse Farage's impossible offer, then he will go ahead and split the vote. Brexit wont happen, but con will get the balme for the failure. Nexttime round Farage will again stand on a leave ticket. Which will boost his party and push him closer to PM. Its a game he is playing with us all.

Brexit has been a scam from start to finish.
 

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Thanks for reminding us how you used this site to break the law. You should have been banned for that, but perhaps calling people a retard will finally awaken the moderators.

Continuing to think that I live in Essex just shows that you don't really understand the technology you illegally abuse.
 

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Thanks for reminding us how you used this site to break the law. You should have been banned for that, but perhaps calling people a retard will finally awaken the moderators.

Continuing to think that I live in Essex just shows that you don't really understand the technology you illegally abuse.

And there was the "thick twat" comment. I must admit I was somewhat surprised at him thinking that there was a constituency in Essex, which is tribally anti-tory, I've certainly never heard of one.
 

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Perados - About Boris BETTER KNOWN AS FLOPPY:

"A smart guy, who knows nothing about the real world, isn't willing to inform himself, gives a fuck about consequences, but is willing to do everything as long as it gives him "positive press" and is a populist and demagogue, who is able to make people believe in his bullshit."
My thoughts exactly. In addition, this very same description can be said about Donald also known as Trumpty Dumpty, or perhaps just Dumpty!

Apparently it is more difficult for many here that are British to see this clearly how just alike they really are. Floppy Boris and Humpty Dumpty do not come from the same exact "class," but both are part of a rich man's economic class. NYC millionaire class is not like the millionaire class of many American cities and certainly not like that of England or in the US areas that were first settled by the English.

Floppy is from the upper crust having gone to Eaton and is an fond of more classical things.

Dumpty prefers hamburgers from McDonalds and entertaining heads of states and other important people at very plush golf clubs that he or his creditors own.

There are profound differences in the two if you just look at how they are different.

One is in attendance at the Symphony with the Queen sitting as far away from Floppy as she can get.

One is at a plush golf club trying to find the ball, though there are reports that he was looking for something else.

However, both are in attendance with millionaires, billionaires, heads of states, and so on.

Both born with silver spoons in their mouths!

Neither has had any opportunity to live or be around the middle class. Middle class may drive a respectable car, have a respectable house, dress the family appropriately and so on. But they live payday to payday. Let that salary be held up two weeks or their pension checks held up for two weeks, they are in major trouble.

Here in the US, the goal is to live in a three bedroom house or apartment. All male offspring get one bedroom while all female offspring get the second bedroom. Most have to settle for 1000 sq ft. They hope for a 1500 sq ft house. Some will make it. A few, very few will get to a 2000 or even a 3000 sq ft house if they move up in the chain of promotions and manage money well. A majority will get no further than that 1000 sq ft house or apartment. Three tiny bedrooms and one full bathroom and perhaps a second toilet for the master bedroom is as far as they will make it. Getting to decorate it like they want is their achievement in having a house of their dreams.

Even the ones that appear to have it all are in debt that makes it difficult to stay afloat. A demotion in job would mean showing the house on Sundays to prospective buyers and downsize living quarters.

Dumpty does not have even have a remote idea as to what all this is like. I suspect that the same can be true of Floppy. The difference between middle class and the rich respective to the two nations is most likely the same distance apart for both Floppy and Dumpty!

Looking at these two villains from a political science viewpoint, this quote does a masterful job of a one paragraph description that can equally be written about either Dumpty or Floppy!

There are only two descriptions listed where the two despots seem different:

"A smart guy,"

Floppy excelled at being a student at an upper class school that only accepts students that are above average, unless of course they are the heir to the throne or to a noble position. In the US we would call Floppy book smart. Perhaps a patron of the arts.

Trump is smart. Trump has some sort of vision problem that makes it difficult for him to read. Not having taught or formally evaluated him, I can only surmise as to the extent that this is a disability. Dumpty can real a teleprompter on the wall well enough to get by. Perhaps it is the written print up close on the written page that gives Dumpty problems.

...... had to erase some.....

Dumpty is expelling bodily fluids at times and places that are considered inappropriate. As more evidence that Dumpty is the most corrupt American president in history, the only president who may have committed treason, will most likely by impeached by the House. If 67 out of 100 senators vote to convict Dumpty of impeachable offenses, then we are most likely to see Mount Dumpty erupt even more so than now as he is lead away from his office in the White House, somehow blaming Hillary for this!

Another thing: There are elected leaders in the UK who are openly or implying they want to UK to disappear as a nation. Dumpty has already announced that if he is removed from office, there will be a civil war here in America. Dumpty is talking about being president for life which is in direct conflict with the US Constitution.

Some in the UK are thrilled to joy that the UK may cease to be a nation. "Good riddance! We didn't need those folks anyway!"

How in the hell did this happen to two great nations!

Oh yes. Dear. I forgot!


All ROADS LEAD TO PUTIN!

Putin may be the most knowledgeable person in the world concerning all things that are part of intelligence agencies. He could now be in charge of the Five Seeing Eyes for all we know. What Putin knows and how he knows how to carry out strategies to get what he wants is mind boggling. What if Trump is a Russian agent. Who is the UK and the US are the Russian agents? How many are there?

I really have come to the conclusion that Putin has infiltrated both the US and the UK to the point that I'm not sure we can get his claws removed from our skins without major suffering on the part of both the UK and the US. They are dug into our major organs and muscles. We hear the propaganda with brains too addled to stop and consider what it really going on and instead accepting the truth for the lies produced by Putin!

*The largest and also one of the largest mainline churches in the US both come straight from the Church of England as a by product of the American War for Independence. When Trump does go to church he does go to the Episcopal Church which is under the Archbishop of Canterbury. The Episcopal Church is the American church of the Anglican Communion.

The priests are reading the same, Epistle, New Testament, Psalm and Gospel readings as is the Queen hearing in which ever church she is attending that day. There are a few minor differences in each worship service and from congregation to congregation from time to time partly due to the size of congregation and the skills of the leaders including musicians.

The cathedral does belong to the Episcopal Church and has a bishop in residence along with other priests and has a full Anglican church program every Sunday.

I add this as further evidence as how much the US is like the UK.

Peralos: Thanks for noticing and posting your summation of Floppy. I understand that many in the UK don't want to even consider that they may have a prime minister that is very much like Dumpty in how he governs. I'm glad I am not the only non British person posting here.

Different perspectives enrich everyone if shared appropriately.
I agree, both have much in common, but I don't think Trump is smart. He is aggressive, egotistical and unscrupulous. This guaranteed his success.

If I'm right his long time lawyer was an essential part of his career. He guaranteed Trump that he could get away with everything and safe billions.

I have absolutely no clue how his grades look like, or what his classmates and teachers tell about them, but there have been several statements that he was aggressive already at school.

Neither do I can tell much about dementia... there might be signs, but you can't tell by 100% - tests would be needed.
I will stick to the idea he has a narcissistic disorder. ;)
 
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I wonder how big a dent to Floppy's plan the humbling of England's rugby team is.

I imagine he had assumed like all England fans that the final would be a procession rather than the meek surrender we witnessed. No parades, no receptions at No. 10, no photo ops with the Jam and Jerusalem poster boys, no analogy for plucky Brexit boys taking on the world and winning.

Just another failure to deliver on hollow promises.
 
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Johnson has rejected the Trump-Farage position.

The problem remains that Brexit Party can do Conservatives monumental damage and in effect make Corbyn PM without winning a single seat. Some sort of deal really is needed. However it all seems to be about Farage's ego.
I've seen many politicians in my time "reject" things...............This concerns me because the turn around comes when they are in power.

Why? Oh...it the global circumstances....

I truly hope Boris is re-elected.

1) Because, and agree that stability in your nation is of uppermost importance, for another party to be elected would only continue the woeful state of affairs which exist now....argument and indecision continuing.

2) A hung Parliament would only serve to make a population more divisive and undecided on the future, more hostile to one another and toward those from outside.

3) Whomever wins needs to stay their ground and see it through for the benefit of the majority, not the few. IE: The Royal Family.

4) There are major economies in the world, friendly and not so taking advantage, using this indecision for their own means and economic gain. Corruption is also something which grows within indecision.

5) Best of luck. Because from what I am observing of world developments from this end................you are going to need it.
 
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I caught snippets the other night about the "Duchy Of Cornwall" What a load of bollocks.

This is what Brexit for Brexiteers is all about isn't it? Inheritance is the ruler.

For the few to retain power over the many.
 

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I've seen many politicians in my time "reject" things...............This concerns me because the turn around comes when they are in power.

Why? Oh...it the global circumstances....

I truly hope Boris is re-elected.

1) Because, and agree that stability in your nation is of uppermost importance, for another party to be elected would only continue the woeful state of affairs which exist now....argument and indecision continuing.

2) A hung Parliament would only serve to make a population more divisive and undecided on the future, more hostile to one another and toward those from outside.

3) Whomever wins needs to stay their ground and see it through for the benefit of the majority, not the few. IE: The Royal Family.

4) There are major economies in the world, friendly and not so taking advantage, using this indecision for their own means and economic gain. Corruption is also something which grows within indecision.

5) Best of luck. Because from what I am observing of world developments from this end................you are going to need it.

Bollocks, if Boris is reelected that makes the situation a lot more unstable and deepens the divisions for far longer and far further than a hung parliament ever could. A hung parliament basically ends up with a second referendum (as no one is going to prop the tories up now), and a second referendum is likely to end in a remain majority (as the polls have overwhelmingly said that for over two years).

A conservative majority ends up with the breakup of the UK, a no deal brexit in a year's time (and the clusterfuck that one would cause would likely cause big ripples across the global economy), a bonfire of regulations in the UK and the sell off of the NHS to the American pharmaceutical industry. The kind of anger that would ensue in the UK would intensify and stay there for decades. In other words, instability. So improving the "global circumstances" ain't gonna happen with BJ getting a majority. So I'd be careful what you wish for.


The royal family is utterly meaningless (and I say this as someone who doesn't support the monarchy) and that's their problem, and your own compatriots voted in favour of keeping the same royal family on your own country's throne. People who actually profit from this shitshow are hedge fund companies, tax dodgers and Rupert Murdoch.

Also, if you're going to use an archaic indefinite pronoun, you should use it correctly. Whoever has always been the correct indefinite pronoun to use in the nominative case, whomever was only ever meant to be used for the accusative and dative cases.
 
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Also, if you're going to use an archaic indefinite pronoun, you should use it correctly. Whoever has always been the correct indefinite pronoun to use in the nominative case, whomever was only ever meant to be used for the accusative and dative cases.

One of the advantages of living in a German speaking area is to develop a sense for grammatical cases.
 
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At the moment both labour and conservative are saying they would spend a lot more money if elected. However there is in reaity a very big difference between the two which is not normally the case. In normal elections, whichever party is elected it will have to make its tax and spend decisions aganst the same background.

However, conservatives are pledged to quickly leave the EU with the deal they have in place. It is agreed by all commentators the result will be a brexit recession. Whereas labour will negotiate a softer brexit and then put it to a vote, where either it will be accepted or we remain. If their leaving deal goes through the recession will be smaller. If we do not leave there will be a remain boom.

Chances are, if labour are elected then the result of a referendum will be remain, so their spending plans will be set against a much better economic situation and funding will be very much easier. If con are elected, they will be facing all the problems brexit is expected to create. The conservative spending plan is nothing more than a huge keynsian stimulus to the economy which they believe will be necessary to mitigate the brexit recession. Never believe they are doing it because they believe the NHS needs more money.