Eurozone Sovereign Debt Crisis part 2 - Ireland

[englad]

One of the advantages of living in a German speaking area is to develop a sense for grammatical cases.

True, lots of people skip the genitive though. The amount of times I hear "wegen dem" instead of "wegen des".

 

[eurotop40]

True, lots of people skip the genitive though. The amount of times I hear "wegen dem" instead of "wegen des".

 

[dandelion]

It sems there are a number of problems with floppy Johnson's bill for leaving the EU which have not yet had a public airing. In particular it gives the government more powers to rule by decree without parliament interfering, and the power in particular to overrule Irish, Scotish or Welsh devolved government despite the provisions of the existing legislation which gives them the right to decide certain things.

House of lords committe managed to look through the bill and publish a report before parliament was dissolved. But given their lordships concerns, it might be the bill would not have passed the lords had it managed to do so in the commons.

Boris Johnson's Brexit Withdrawal Bill 'Power Grabs' Torpedoed by House of Lords Peers – Byline Times

 

[Jason]

Right now in the UK all Brexit issues are dependent on the election result.

If we get a decent majority for a Conservative government then we can expect very rapid legislation:
1) to get the WA through parliament so the UK leaves
2) to replace the present constituency boundaries that are now a gerrymander favouring Labour
3) to repeal the absurd fixed term parliament act

In trade deal negotiations with EU I think we can expect a very tough stance indeed. We're looking at a future Conservative government dominated by what is now the ERG, and it is even possible that this group will have a majority in parliament. I think no deal will be back on the table.

 

[Drifterwood]

We're looking at a future Conservative government dominated by what is now the ERG, and it is even possible that this group will have a majority in parliament. I think no deal will be back on the table.

A majority government representing a minority of what the country actually wants.

You are entitled to what you want, but really, a system that might deliver such a result would be shameful.

 

[Industrialsize]

To someone "across the pond", this seems like it may be significant:
Russian Tory donors named in secret report

Intelligence agencies are ‘furious’ over No 10’s block on publication

Nine Russian business people who gave money to the Conservative Party are named in a secret intelligence report on the threats posed to UK democracy which was suppressed last week by Downing Street.

Oligarchs and other wealthy Tory donors were included in the report on illicit Russian activities in Britain by the cross-party intelligence and security select committee (ISC), whose publication was blocked by No 10.
Russian Tory donors named in secret report

 

[Drifterwood]

To someone "across the pond", this seems like it may be significant:
Russian Tory donors named in secret report

Intelligence agencies are ‘furious’ over No 10’s block on publication

Nine Russian business people who gave money to the Conservative Party are named in a secret intelligence report on the threats posed to UK democracy which was suppressed last week by Downing Street.

Oligarchs and other wealthy Tory donors were included in the report on illicit Russian activities in Britain by the cross-party intelligence and security select committee (ISC), whose publication was blocked by No 10.
Russian Tory donors named in secret report

Tory politicians for sale?

 

[Jason]

To someone "across the pond", this seems like it may be significant:
Russian Tory donors named in secret report

Intelligence agencies are ‘furious’ over No 10’s block on publication

Nine Russian business people who gave money to the Conservative Party are named in a secret intelligence report on the threats posed to UK democracy which was suppressed last week by Downing Street.

Oligarchs and other wealthy Tory donors were included in the report on illicit Russian activities in Britain by the cross-party intelligence and security select committee (ISC), whose publication was blocked by No 10.
Russian Tory donors named in secret report

The UK has a tradition dating back to 1924 of blocking all reports such as this from the time when an election is called (or even is believed to be about to be called). The problem is that the legal process is inevitably slow. If published before an election there is a trial by media which makes the official trial impossible. Additionally if we permit such dossiers then we are into a world where we are as good as inviting media and politicians to start digging up such things.

The intelligence agencies don't have the right to say they are furious. This is a media invention. There is a secret report which the media claims to have got access to.

It could be anything or nothing. However it is likely that donors to the Conservative Party will have business interests in every nation. There are legal ways for foreign individuals to donate to a UK political party.

 

[Industrialsize]

The UK has a tradition dating back to 1924 of blocking all reports such as this from the time when an election is called (or even is believed to be about to be called). The problem is that the legal process is inevitably slow. If published before an election there is a trial by media which makes the official trial impossible. Additionally if we permit such dossiers then we are into a world where we are as good as inviting media and politicians to start digging up such things.

The intelligence agencies don't have the right to say they are furious. This is a media invention. There is a secret report which the media claims to have got access to.

It could be anything or nothing. However it is likely that donors to the Conservative Party will have business interests in every nation. There are legal ways for foreign individuals to donate to a UK political party.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/sites/default/files/pdf_file/to-donations-rp.pdf

 

[dandelion]

If we get a decent majority for a Conservative government then we can expect very rapid legislation:

You know what? If we have a conservatives government returned with a working majority, we just might get a years postponement of leaving.

If the tories control parliament, they will have the luxury of 5 years to think of a plan. The current deal is rubbish and they know it. They would then have the time to debate what to do themselves rather than as parliament requires.

In trade deal negotiations with EU I think we can expect a very tough stance indeed.

The Uk has a choice of the EUs terms or no deal. Its simple. All the EU ever wanted was the Uk to make up its mind and give them a decent period to implement the decision on their side. The Uk has been unable to do this.

 

[dandelion]

The UK has a tradition dating back to 1924 of blocking all reports such as this from the time when an election is called (or even is believed to be about to be called).

An election has ben imminent ever since the result of the last one!

Truth is, tories dont want a report published which says they are funded by Russia.

Isnt it an irony that conservatives accuse jeremy Corbyn of being a communist, yet it is the capitalist conservatives who have in true capitalist style sold out to the highest bidder. (or maybe the only bidder)

 

[g0nz0]

The Uk has a choice of the EUs terms or no deal. Its simple. All the EU ever wanted was the Uk to make up its mind and give them a decent period to implement the decision on their side. The Uk has been unable to do this.

Ain't that the truth!!

 

[Jason]

View attachment 8805261
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/sites/default/files/pdf_file/to-donations-rp.pdf

Yes, but very many UK-registered outfits have substantial overseas connections or are in effect overseas entities. It is very unlikely that there is anything very exciting in this secret dossier the media are now claiming they have accessed.

I'm also going to step back from the issue. The UK faces a binary choice for PM. There is Corbyn, friend and supporter of terrorists, hater of Jews, traitor who has betrayed his country, a Marxist so extreme that he regards Venezuela as too moderate, a man who hates the UK and loves USSR, Iran, Palestine and North Korea. Or there is Johnson.

Is anyone truly going to vote for a man of evil?

 

[Industrialsize]

Yes, but very many UK-registered outfits have substantial overseas connections or are in effect overseas entities. It is very unlikely that there is anything very exciting in this secret dossier the media are now claiming they have accessed.

You have no interest in knowing if foreign money is being used to influence UK elections?

 

[Jason]

You have no interest in knowing if foreign money is being used to influence UK elections?

Foreign money is used to influence every election in every democracy. It's one of those unspoken truths, like men wank.

The overwhelming problem right now in the UK is the flood of EU money which impacted the Brexit referendum and the 2017 election and may well impact this present election.

 

[g0nz0]

Foreign money is used to influence every election in every democracy. It's one of those unspoken truths, like men wank.

So because it always happens, nobody should be concerned and nothing should be done about it?...

Sounds like crime in general to me... It always happens and peeps should absolutely be concerned and do whatever can be done...

The overwhelming problem right now in the UK is the flood of EU money which impacted the Brexit referendum and the 2017 election and may well impact this present election.

and there I was thinking you guys were worried about money going TO the EU What was the lie with the makey uppy figure on the side of BoJo's bus again?

 

[g0nz0]

I warned about this for quite a while in this thread, and the Brexiteers told me there was nothing to worry about, my concerns were misguided, no link between brewing troubles in NI and Brexit...

Theresa May ruled out no-deal after Northern Ireland terrorism warning, Lidington says

Well, its a different world now with the DUP's goose well and truly cooked. Shower of eejits, totally at odds with the electorate of NI...

 

[dandelion]

It is very unlikely that there is anything very exciting in this secret dossier the media are now claiming they have accessed.

i imagine some patriot in the secret service deliberately leaked it.

We alread know the conservative party has links with russia, there were news stories about it before.

, a Marxist so extreme that he regards Venezuela as too moderate,

The funny thing is, while Corbyn believes in the wealth of the nation belonging to all, the conservatives are busy selling out to Russia. You fear Corbyn might take the wealth from the rich and give it to the poor. But meanwhile the government you prefer has sold out the nation entirely.

You dont maybe think your sense of priorities is a bit the wrong way round?

 

[englad]

i imagine some patriot in the secret service deliberately leaked it.

We alread know the conservative party has links with russia, there were news stories about it before.

The funny thing is, while Corbyn believes in the wealth of the nation belonging to all, the conservatives are busy selling out to Russia. You fear Corbyn might take the wealth from the rich and give it to the poor. But meanwhile the government you prefer has sold out the nation entirely.

You dont maybe think your sense of priorities is a bit the wrong way round?

I think he's beyond hope if he thinks Jacob Rees-Mogg was the real victim when he implied that the people who died at Grenfell Tower died because they lacked "common sense".

 

[dandelion]

I warned about this for quite a while in this thread, and the Brexiteers told me there was nothing to worry about, my concerns were misguided, no link between brewing troubles in NI and Brexit...

English leavers when asked in polling have said they are perfectly happy for ireland and scotland to leave the union if that is the price of Brexit. The whole farce has turned entirely on its head, that they say they will destroy the United kingdom so as to free the united kingdom from the EU.

It makes no sense at all as the action of patrioits, but makes every sense if you are the government of Russia seeking revenge for UK sanctions.