Eurozone Sovereign Debt Crisis part 2 - Ireland

[g0nz0]

You consider the IMF an untrustworthy liar? Ok.

No, not the IMF, the Order Order / Guy Fawkes blog reporting of same -- as called out by @Industrialsize. That nutbag populist far right site missed all the context. It wouldn't have gotten subtly if it was hit by it like a brick in the face.

 

[Jason]

One of my friends is in a similar situation - she currently has dual US/Italian citizenship, but her father's parents were English and emigrated to the States before he was born. She's lived and worked in London for over 30 years, has owned a home there for over 20 years, and is married to an Irish citizen who has spent most of his life in London, but because she works freelance and some of her work means that she's out of the country for over four weeks a year, her application for settled status has been rejected and so has her appeal, whereas his was approved.

Apparently payslips, bank statements, council tax, utility bills and tax returns don't count when it comes to providing proof of residence. She was told that there wouldn't have been a problem if she'd been on benefits or living in rented accommodation, but because she was mainly self-employed over the last 15 years and had bought her house they wouldn't accept her documentation. They're now faced with the prospect of having to sell their home and move to either Ireland or Italy which is a worry as they're both approaching retirement age and are concerned about pensions and healthcare having paid into the UK system rather than their "home" countries' systems for most of their working lives.

There is something your friend isn't telling you.

On the face of it there are grounds for settled status. Of course mistakes can happen, which is why there is an appeal system. But it looks as if in this case the system has refused to agree settled status for a reason.

I'm only guessing, but has she paid her business tax? Or even submitted forms demonstrating there is no tax to pay? You are right that NI is not always proof of settled status. PAYE would be. Or if self employed then tax on business earnings. Even if money is earnt overseas by someone, tax has to be paid in UK.

If she's not declared any income from any source for tax in UK then how is she settled in UK? The law has always been clear on this. (Benefits would be a UK income.) If she's married an Irishman I imagine she has or can get Irish citizenship.

UK does not have an ethnic route to citizenship, so nothing to compare with the Irish granny system in Ireland. Having UK ancestors does not give citizenship. It is birth or residence (=paying income tax).

 

[g0nz0]

Brexit latest news: Britain's EU departure confirmed as Boris Johnson's Withdrawal Bill clears final hurdle

Tally Ho! Rule Britannia! never admit to your own mistakes and all that... Stiff Upper Lip in the face of self-flaggelation... No sex please, they're British, wot wot?

I hope you guys are all wearing the Union Jack underpants to celebrate! Comical stuff!

 

[g0nz0]

Quotes Bloomberg as a reliable source,

Sorry, should've used the Brexiteer trick of no source, I just feel it in my gut... Isn't that the Brexiteer populist line? We're sick of experts and facts, no?

But I do agree with you that it is hilarious! £200 Billion. What numpty's!

Even getting Big Ben to Bong for Brexit will cost you another £500k. I know you've always been a high cost economy, running on credit but you guys are now burning money like it has gone out of fashion!

 

[RazorsEdge]

Tally Ho! Rule Britannia! never admit to your own mistakes and all that... Stiff Upper Lip in the face of self-flaggelation... No sex please, they're British, wot wot?

I hope you guys are all wearing the Union Jack underpants to celebrate! Comical stuff!

I am interested to know why you hate the British so much, show me on the dolly where it touched you.

 

[g0nz0]

Take your pick

 

[g0nz0]

I am interested to know why you hate the British so much, show me on the dolly where it touched you.

You've got it completely backwards. I don't hate the British at all. My parents were British. Lots of my family are British. Lots of my mates are British.

I do think your government is inept, your politicians are spineless, and your society is fractured. I think your Home Office is staffed by Xenophobes, and your global ambitions are comical, and the entire Brexit affair reeks of Monty Python or Fawlty Towers...

But hate you? I find the whole affair riveting, and hilariously funny. I honestly have a pain in my side from laughing so much at it. I can't get over that supposed adults would inflict this upon themselves willingly.

The hilarity of conceit and self-importance continues unabounded - oh, the dellusions of grandeur! Right up there with Trump in terms of self-importance, tally-ho'ing to a great new Imperial Future....

 

[g0nz0]

Did Trumpy promise BoJo the best deal, the greatest deal. A beautiful perfect deal between stable geniuses ( I feel I should use genii in this context)?

US threatens to hike tariffs on UK car exports - CNN

Everybody is Trumpy's bitch, in Trumpy's view of the world. Everyone else is there to get fucked.

 

[Jason]

Now Brexit is happening Union Jack underpants are a requirement. And socks.

And the bowler hat of course.

 

[g0nz0]

Now Brexit is happening Union Jack underpants are a requirement. And socks.

And the bowler hat of course.

Reminds me of Big Ben, the Man with No Time for Crime from the 1980s comic

 

[g0nz0]

Did Trumpy promise BoJo the best deal, the greatest deal. A beautiful perfect deal between stable geniuses ( I feel I should use genii in this context)?

US threatens to hike tariffs on UK car exports - CNN

Everybody is Trumpy's bitch, in Trumpy's view of the world. Everyone else is there to get fucked.

UK to prioritise EU trade deal over one with United States

oh dear, has Trumpy upset the apple cart?

 

[Viking_UK]

There is something your friend isn't telling you.

On the face of it there are grounds for settled status. Of course mistakes can happen, which is why there is an appeal system. But it looks as if in this case the system has refused to agree settled status for a reason.

I'm only guessing, but has she paid her business tax? Or even submitted forms demonstrating there is no tax to pay? You are right that NI is not always proof of settled status. PAYE would be. Or if self employed then tax on business earnings. Even if money is earnt overseas by someone, tax has to be paid in UK.

If she's not declared any income from any source for tax in UK then how is she settled in UK? The law has always been clear on this. (Benefits would be a UK income.) If she's married an Irishman I imagine she has or can get Irish citizenship.

UK does not have an ethnic route to citizenship, so nothing to compare with the Irish granny system in Ireland. Having UK ancestors does not give citizenship. It is birth or residence (=paying income tax).

I didn't say she had no declared income. She was employed in the UK until around 2008 when she became self-employed. She's completed all of her tax returns and paid everything she was supposed to and submitted all the right paperwork.

From what I gather, she was one of the early wave of EU citizens who applied for settled status and there were a number who have ended up in a similar position to herself - some even being given notice to prepare to leave the country, although most of their appeals were upheld.

She says even her lawyer doesn't understand why her application and appeal were rejected because she meets all the criteria, but the civil servants say no.

 

[superbot]

Ah, isn't quoting Shakespeare aptly fitting when trumpeting the desires and follies of English nationalism

Speaking of stunts, let us not forget the desire for Big Ben to Bong for Brexit The ultimate stunt, unable to achieve completion!! Coitus interruptus. Unsatisfied parties...

Bong being the operative word, considering many of the Brexiteers were probably sucking on a bong when they dreamt that one up.

That Brexit is happening is undeniable (notwithstanding BoJo's three in a row in the Lords), but what is also undeniable is BoJo's stunt of writing a 12 month deadline into law is also bot going to have any desired effect or affect the realities confronting the British negotiating wonks...

Jan 31st is the end of the beginning as regards negotiations, both with the EU and with every other potential trading partner (suck up Trump's foreign policy against Iran, and chow down on the chlorinated KFC); alas, I fear it may also be the end of the glorious Great British Bake Off new beginnings, once the harsh realities of the road ahead come into view...

Why dont you at least ATTEMPT to communicate in adult form, instead of the infantile,tabloidy drivel that comprise your current input?!

 

[g0nz0]

Why dont you at least ATTEMPT to communicate in adult form, instead of the infantile,tabloidy drivel that comprise your current input?!

Are we upset something, petal? Never mind, misery apparently loves company - and you seem set up for plenty of it

 

[RazorsEdge]

Now Brexit is happening Union Jack underpants are a requirement. And socks.

And the bowler hat of course.

Shall we post pics?

 

[superbot]

Are we upset something, petal? Never mind, misery apparently loves company - and you seem set up for plenty of it

Is that your thought for the day..?

 

[g0nz0]

Is that your thought for the day..?

Actually no, this is ... Editorial: Britain is finally finding out how little power it has to dictate terms to others

 

[Jason]

The Brexit Bill has received Royal Assent, and this has been formally announced to both Commons and Lords. This is it. It is absolutely done.

This is now required attire:

 

[RazorsEdge]

The Brexit Bill has received Royal Assent, and this has been formally announced to both Commons and Lords. This is it. It is absolutely done.

This is now required attire:

Shall I order this or will it be a bit chilly in London on Brexit night?

 

[Jason]

I understand there's a plan for a dip in the Trafalgar Sq fountains at 11pm on Freedom Day. Speedos seem appropriate:

Silk boxers are recommended, as shown here: