Evacuation in california

[86Rick]

Not to "excuse" them, but, my guess is that neither of them were really paying attention to a 50 year old dam in northern California, that had never had a problem before, when they had so many other issues to deal with.

No, it's Arnold's fault. And Bush and Trump. If it wasn't for the evil Republicans that dam would be perfect.

A/B

 

[jbfly]

It wasn't about a repair. It was about an improvement.

The main spillway was paved. There was a recommendation from the public that the emergency spillway should be paved as well.

There was a drought from 2007-2009 as well which would've made it easy to do the same work if they wanted (not that a drought is necessary. It can be done during the non-rainy seasons).

Guidelines at the time (and currently as well) say that emergency spillways are used so infrequently that they don't need to be paved. This failure can give pause to review those guidelines, but the state was following the written recommendations for this kind of thing.

The Fed's job isn't to make improvements to California's own infrastructure, but it is their job to review and make sure that CA is doing it properly if a lawsuit is brought (and they checked and agreed with California that they were managing it properly).

My point on this is that it's not necessarily anyone's fault. You seem eager to assign blame to Brown because the failure happened during his tenure, but I don't see any evidence that he (or anyone) should be singled out as a target of blame. I was just saying that IF you were planning to single someone out, there are others who've had primary custody of this issue before brown.

The buck stops here is how I see it.

If you bought a house "as is" and you knew the roof needed repairs, but you neglected it for years until it finally leaked during a strong storm, the previous owner has no blame in this. Its on the current owner.

 

[notN2pussy]

Damn is down 23 ft, looking for 50, some minor issues still I think. Many have returned home but remain packed. Some rain this week and next, not supposed to be heavy. Watching seepage and levy boils I think. I am an hour down stream from that lake

 

[86Rick]

Who cares about a dam. We need that money to pay for foreigners to live here.

 

[TexanStar]

The buck stops here is how I see it.

If you bought a house "as is" and you knew the roof needed repairs, but you neglected it for years until it finally leaked during a strong storm, the previous owner has no blame in this. Its on the current owner.

It's more like you own a house with a tree out front. You have a yard guy that you pay to take care of your yard.

One your neighbor drops by and says that your tree's getting too call and needs to be cut back. You ask your regular yard guy and he says that no, those trees have deep root systems and it'll be fine. Your neighbor suggests you bring an arborist in to check, and the arborist also says that your tree is fine.

Then there's a big storm one day, and the tree gets knocked into your house.

Now you're blaming the homeowner, even though multiple experts all said the tree was fine w/o cutting it back.

Again, you just seem eager to assign blame when there's not really evidence that warrants it. Hindsight is 20/20, but the experts involved at the state and federal government level did not deem that any such work on the dam was warranted.

 

[ActionBuddy]

@86Rick - Please do not "quote" your opinions within my own "quotes" here, as if it makes your opinions appear to be my own.

That's a "warning" that I will pursue, if you persist.

A/B

 

[jbfly]

It's more like you own a house with a tree out front. You have a yard guy that you pay to take care of your yard.

One your neighbor drops by and says that your tree's getting too call and needs to be cut back. You ask your regular yard guy and he says that no, those trees have deep root systems and it'll be fine. Your neighbor suggests you bring an arborist in to check, and the arborist also says that your tree is fine.

Then there's a big storm one day, and the tree gets knocked into your house.

Now you're blaming the homeowner, even though multiple experts all said the tree was fine w/o cutting it back.

Again, you just seem eager to assign blame when there's not really evidence that warrants it. Hindsight is 20/20, but the experts involved at the state and federal government level did not deem that any such work on the dam was warranted.

Well this is from our local newspaper. Take from it what you will.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/...cials-ignored-warnings-12-years-ago/#comments

 

[ActionBuddy]

The Latest: State officials await dawn to inspect spillway:

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/...vacuation-near-california-dam/?obref=obinsite