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I could no longer live the lie of my heterosexuality after seeing Fortiesfun's cock.
I'm happy to have helped you embrace your inner homo. I'd be even happier if you'd embrace MY outer homo.


The real question that all men must ask of themselves at some point or another is

  • not, "Are you gay?" but rather
  • "Are you a homosexual?"
So many men avoid the first question because they don't identify with being "gay" as a cultural i.e. waiving the rainbow flag, Fire-island loving, Barabara Streisand listening, thin waist/big muscle, tight-clothes wearing, dancing to techno "thud, thud" music, etc. The first question obscures the second question where, if men are truly honest with themselves, they will admit to some %-age of homosexuality.
As you know, HotBulge, this is a question that interests me greatly, and about which I started a thread myself to address. The problem here is largely one of definitions, but I am not sure you have solved it.

Though I agree with your premise that "Gay" has cultural connotations, I think that "having" some percentage of homosexuality is not the same as what is implied by "Are you a homosexual?" and that formulation does not avoid the problems you identify with the formulation "Are you gay?". In research the questions about being gay and about being homosexual do not get much different answers. If asked about specific male-male behavior without labeling, however, the numbers are hugely different, almost 70% (depending on the base figure you use) more responding that they've had some post-adoloscent sexual experience with another man at least once in their life than are willing to call themselves, even a little bit, gay.

I strongly suspect that every man (even those who jump into this thread to vehemently deny it) has the biological capacity and plasticity of orientation for Male-Male sexuality, but that does not define how they see themselves, and frankly, I am not among those who think it should define who they are.
 

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Do the rolled eyes and wink impact the meaning of RoyalT's response? I take them as cues for us to take what he says with a grain of salt here.

Certainly, I have to return to something I said on another thread: the labels can be an encumbrance. In the end each of us really ought to be able to take our pleasure where we will and find love where we can.
Good points, MBe. From another perspective, though, the labels could be liberating, rather than encumbering. If I allow "me" to determine my label, rather than letting a label determine "me," it is a whole different thing. I guess I fall into the "don't-decide-until-you-try-it" category. I have always known I was gay, even before I knew what that meant. I have no doubt that true 100% straight men have always known. I tried for many years to make it otherwise, but I do not believe one can change the basic orientation. I have had sexual relationships with women, but that did not make me straight, or even bi, it just confirmed what I knew all along.

If men who have no sexual desire for women could be completely comfortable classifying themselves as gay, men who are sexually attracted (to whatever degree) to both men and women could be completely comfortable classifying themselves as bisexual, and men who have no sexual attraction at all for men could be comfortable with the classification of straight, I don't see how that encumbers. Could the encumberance be a direct result of the fear of being stereotyped by a label?
 

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As usual, DC, you get right to the heart of the issue.
Well, 40sfun, I have always been very puzzled by the sentiment "I like to have a guy suck my cock a coupla times a month, I may even suck his cock; but I'm straight." I also imagine the statement that follows, but they never say it "...but I'm straight. Gay guys are all hairdressers and drag queens, and I'm not, so I'm straight."
 

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I like how you how you say "Nothing is certain and nothing pertaining to the human mindset can be truly defined " but then go on to say you aren't gay.

The funny thing also is that Ron said the exact opposite "We're all gay, it's just to what extent."

What I meant was I know my own sexuality. You at best only know your own; you don't know anyone else's. It's stupid to say everyone is gay. If everyone is gay am I the only guy who is 100% straight?
 

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Well, I like to watch porn. But I'd never even touch another dick. So I don't know why I should even be 1% gay? Just because I like to see girls get fucked? :p
 

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I think you have to remember not to confuse sex with a lifestyle. If a man enjoys another man sucking his dick now and then, so be it. Doesn't necessarily make him gay. I've had many straight men say that the reason they like a man sucking their dick now and then is that we're so much better than most women. I remember when Elaine on "Seinfeld" thought she had converted a gay man....but later told Jerry that since she didn't have the same equipment, it's harder to compete with someone that does (or something like that...it was funny to me).

It's odd how we're quick to put a man into the gay category if he lets a guy suck his dick, but a woman can have sex with another woman and not be labeled a lesbian. By most accounts, she becomes MORE attractive to men.

Just my two cents.
 

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Not that there's anything wrong with that...

OP, I know (or at least I hope) your opening post was intended tongue-in-cheek... wasn't it? Please tell me it was!


I am gonna bet it was a joke. The world is full of all kinds of people. If we were to say that 100% of men were gay to an extent, then the same could be said that 100% of men are Straight.

They cancel each other out.:tongue: I love math.
 

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It's odd how we're quick to put a man into the gay category if he lets a guy suck his dick, but a woman can have sex with another woman and not be labeled a lesbian. By most accounts, she becomes MORE attractive to men.

Just my two cents.

Just giving you a nickle. .02+ .05= .07:rolleyes:

If a woman has sex with another woman, in my books she is bisexual. Same with guys. Unless they end up staying with one particular sex for the rest of their lives, they can stay "Straight". Otherwise, they are deemed bi.

It's best not to make worldly assumptions based on your own opinion.
 

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It does appear a lot of gay guys would WISH straight guys were gay.

Actually I don't wish that straight guys were gay. There are some I wouldn't mind sleeping with because I find them pretty hot and tempting but I KNOW that they would mind me doing so. I respect that. After all, I am a true considerate lover and not a rapist. Straight guys love women. (As long as the straight guys are distracting these church women away from me, I am happy. :smile: )


 

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I love burying my bone in women until I spooge. I have no interest in anal. I'd like to help a big hung guy jack off - massage his balls, whatever it takes. Not too into the fashion / dance seen, though.
 
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I thought this nugget of wisdom from Ron White could: a. inform b. make you think c. make you chuckle in embarassment as you think about what Ron said

I told him, "We're all gay, man. It's just to what extent are you gay." He says, "That's bullshit man, I ain't gay at all!" I said, "Yes you are and I'll prove it." He says, "Fine, prove it." I said to him, "All right. Do you like porn?" He says, "Yeah, I love porn, you know that." I said, "Do you only watch two women doing it?" He said, "Naw, I'll watch a man and a woman make love." I said, "Oh, do you want the guy to have a tiny, half-flaccid penis?" He said, "Naw, man, I like big, hard, throbbing co.......I did not know that about myself..."

Anyone have thoughts, reactions, opinions... I hope to get a quality thread out of this! :biggrin1:

Retarded.

I don't get excited because I like looking at the guy, I get excited because I can empathize with the guy. This has been brought up before and it's COMPLETELY fucking different. Watching lesbian porn guys get off because they imagine they could be with both girls at the same time, watching straight porn straight men are NOT fantasizing about being with the girl and guy at the same time, but many find this kind of scene hotter because it is easier to put yourself in the scene. The man fucking the girl is your avatar in the fantasy, you don't have to use your imagination as much as the lesbian scenes.

This should be SO obvious I feel dumb having to say it.
 

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I think you have to remember not to confuse sex with a lifestyle. If a man enjoys another man sucking his dick now and then, so be it. Doesn't necessarily make him gay.
You are right. It makes him bisexual.
I've had many straight men say that the reason they like a man sucking their dick now and then is that we're so much better than most women.
Not too different from the strict vegetarian who eats a steak now and then, because it tastes better than tofu, right?
 

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I love burying my bone in women until I spooge. I have no interest in anal. I'd like to help a big hung guy jack off - massage his balls, whatever it takes. Not too into the fashion / dance seen, though.

You prove DC and fortiesfun's point. It's the label and stereotypification that make you accept part of it and reject other portions.

I guess i'm not gay.

I don't like watching str8 porn with a guy in it.

Maybe... i'm asexual?

No silly. You're in INDIVIDUAL.

I grew up in the ghetto and am articulate. I can still speak like a corner boy if I want to. I like, R&B, rap and rock and country. I love sports and nice clothes. Not that big on the outdoors but love a rugged butch man. Go figure.

Our labels and stereotypes make it hard to evince all the complexities of our character without causing much dissonace in the thoughts and worldviews of others.

Keep on, keeping on.