experimenting with the blue pill/ viagra etc.

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    hey everyone, not quite sure if ive put this in the right place but here goes.

    my partner and i have decided we want to experiment with the blue pill/ viagra. however im in the uk and dont know how to get hold of viagra as i dont suffer from erectile disfunction. has anyone ever tried it? male and female opinions and perspectives would be great as were both looking to try? could you give any reccomendations on which ones may be good as i read reviews for the ann summers own brand blue pill and it sounds as effective as taking blue smarties.

    thankyou everybody
     
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    You won't want to hear my opinion, I'm sure...nor will you heed my advice--but here goes, anyway. Avoid any of the erectile pills like the plague unless you (a) need them, and (b) have been examined by a doctor and been given a prescription for them...!!! You are young, but you are neither immortal nor indestructible--and you'll be playing with fire. These drugs are not for "recreational" purposes. For one important thing, their full side effects are still not fully known, for your present or future physical or sexual health. They require an examination and prescription for the very reason that they can be dangerous, potentially life-threatening (...and yes, so that the price can be maintained, of course). Am I speaking from personal experience? No, I freely admit that I am not...I have had no contact with any of them. But I do keep up with drug/medical news as with any other, just as a routine way to keep well informed in today's complex world. And as far as I can see, if you don't need it, what in the world is there that you can't enjoy just as much, risk-free, without it as with it...????? --But all the best of wishes and luck to you if you do decide to go ahead and experiment.....
     
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    thanks for the reply, im very interested to hear peoples opinions on this subject as i fully admit to not knowing the risks associated with these pills, ive heard from a friend that the ann summers blue pill worked brilliantly for her and her boyfriend. although ive also read reviews which say it does nothing.

    im not prepared to take risks with mine or my partners health so viagra or drugs like that are out of the question, your right i dont need anything to help with erectile disfunction this is more just a curiosity about whether these 'magic blue pills' etc actually work
     
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    Don't take these pills if your wiener stays hard for over four hours.
     
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    thanks for such a mature, insightful and helpful reply.:rolleyes:

    seriously guys, im really wanting some proper advice with this
     
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    I got two friends that are a couple (boy and girl) and that they use the blue pill. They told me that plus longer erections the blue pill provides powerful orgasms, for both male and female. They are very happy with it.

    Anyway, they wanted me to experiment too but I am not into drugs. I agree with Kaldergrosse, I think you don't need it and it is dangerous.
     
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    just discovered that the blue pill ive been talking about is herbal, none of the ingredients associated with viagra.

    my guess is probably as effective as popping some blue m&m's unless anyone can tell me otherwise?
     
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    Sorry to weigh in again--but I see that I didn't realize, as apparently you didn't either, that herbal "substitutes" were included in your original query. Yes, the three major erectile drugs do work, according to reports and claims, for most men. The manufacturers aren't making fabulous fortunes from them for their ineffectiveness (and it wouldn't surprise me if the floating-around, so far unproved hints that women would benefit from them too weren't secretly started by those companies). Occasionally, as you're aware from the advertising, they work too well--there's an explicit warning to seek medical help if they cause an erection that lasts over four hours (a natural stiffy is safe, however, no matter how long it persists). Out of curiosity I inquired of my GP during my last annual physical just what that help would entail. "Simple," he grinned, mimicking the action, "just stick a hypodermic needle into the penis and draw the blood out." Ouch! ~ The herbal pills present their own fascinating questions, though they're undoubtedly safer than the three chemical--based biggies. My interest in herbs and their uses began when I was a graduate student studying Shakespeare, who refers to herbals (the "textbooks") many times. It was further stimulated by the still living, if now fading, folk tradition of herbal remedies in and around the Smokies, among whites, blacks, and Indians alike. To make a longer story brief, herbal potions should be generally safe IF they do not cause interactions among themselves or with prescription medications. One herb generally included in "erectile" mixtures (presumably the "blue pills" you refer to) is, however, proven to be toxic in an alarmingly large number of cases: yohimbe should be avoided at all costs. Most mainline doctors today are pretty clueless about this whole subject--and I'm only a fascinated layman with no personal experience, so be cautioned about my advice as well. Now--are they effective sexually? Well, maybe--always remembering that human beings have a tendency to see the results they expect, and that expectation itself can sometimes be helpful to some degree. Will they cause penile enlargement? Absolutely not, other than in some cases a temporary, very slight "fluffing up" effect due to increased blood circulation. Stop the herbs, and the effect disappears. (The "enlargement pills" so maddeningly widely advertised on TV are a fool's con game, designed to separate gullible men from their money--all of those advertisers should be prosecuted by the government for out-and-out fraud.) Do they, as you are asking, increase erectile function? Iffy, but to some small extent perhaps possible. One of the scientifically most likely to be effective herbs in many mixtures is--and I'm not making this up--called "horny goat weed." That's a titillating translation of the Chinese name for it, in which country it has been used as an erectile stimulant and aphrodisiac for unknown numbers of centures. It has been reported that some Italian scientists claim that, according to their experiments, an extracted potion from it will be the coming "natural" Viagra. Company hype or hope? Who knows? But to round this already too-long dissertation off, whatever erectile assist there may be from herbals, it pretty well must come, in addition to expectation, from the well-documented increase in blood flow to the pelvic and genital regions. Sufficient...??? ~ And I repeat, no matter how certain I might or might not come across, I am only an interested student of the ancient art of herbal uses, with no personal experience to base my information on. In no way am I offering medical advice. Would I take them myself for unexpected need or an experimental lark? Would have to give it very careful, long consideration for need; an immediate No for a lark. Only one thing seems relatively certain: the right herbal potions should be relatively safe. Should be.....
     
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    I take Cialis because I have to, due to minor nerve damage. You asked for advice and you got it: do not take them unless you have been examined by a doctor. Amongst other things, all of the ED medications lower your blood pressure, which for some could be fatal.

    For those of us who need them, these mediacations are very effective. For me, I have the sexual stamina of an 18 year old. Indeed, the initial release of Viagra was accompanied by a wave of cardiac arrests as middle-aged men over-exterted themselves. Another danger associated with these medications.

    Cialis is more effective than Viagra because it doesn't need an empty stomach to work. It has a very long half-life in your system, which means that you don't need to match pill-taking with sex.
     
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    Actually, despite the poor construction, crossy's reply was quite accurate.

    The condition is called priapism, and it's very dangerous. Erections that persist longer than about four hours present a real danger of blood clotting inside the penile cavernosa and causing permanent tissue damage, or even necrosis, if left untreated.

    Do be careful.
     
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    one of my kids took quite a bit of effort to conceive. months of scheduled sex during peak times eventually took a mental toll and i needed a little help. my doc gave me some viagra samples. for me, after about 15 minutes the viagra made me feel warm and a little light and tingly in the head. it was easy to get a boner and it gave me monster erections. my dick felt so incredibly heavy. it was also very easy to pop a powerful boner on the second go. we were even able to do it a third time a couple of times as the pill was wearing off. i really enjoyed viagra, but i think it also worked better for me than it will for others.
     
  12. Mawg

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    I've tried them. Here's my report.

    Me: I'm over 50, in reasonably good health. Age takes a bit of a toll, and I felt I could use a boost. Sex should be fun, not work, and with age it has started to become more work than I'd like.

    Cialis, Viagra, and Levitra all show efficacy. Bottom line: they make it easier to get and keep erections. They do NOTHING for libido - vasodilation is mechanical, so stimulation is still required.

    Cialis' effects last longest. The nasty side effects are diminished on day two, but the pill, while advertised as "36 hour" seems to have effect for about 2 days. Your liver is working like a dog to get rid of it the whole time, so there's your tradeoff.

    All give me monster headaches the next day (I typically take a dose in the evening). I can't imagine a hangover with a Viagra headache. That would be brutal. A lower dosage seems to reduce (but not eliminate) the headache.

    Then there is this weird "blue vision" side-effect. After taking a pill a couple of days in a row this became more noticeable and rather disconcerting. After experiencing this a few times, it was enough to convince me that daily dosing is a bad idea.

    Finally, I am convinced that the liver is put under some stress while removing the drug from the system. Blood tests that I've had seem to confirm this. Not enough to push readings outside of "normal" range, but enough to show up on the tests. I take this as another indicator that drinking while taking these pills should be avoided.

    I believe the risk of priapism is small. Sexual response may be enhanced, but it is still normal. After ejaculation, the erection subsides like normal. The refractory period may be reduced, but it is still there. If an erection persists, a cold shower should take care of it. The earlier erectile dysfunction drug alprostadil, which is typically injected into the penis, poses a far greater threat of priapism. In fact, it is often prescribed in combination with an antidote drug.

    All this said, there are a lot of recreational drugs that will do worse damage than these pills.

    I've also tried yohimbe, and that is truly nasty stuff. It is classified by the USDA as a dangerous herb. Risks include racing heartbeat, heart damage, and in extreme cases, death.

    Under the best conditions, it is sort of an "upper" - it's impossible to sleep on the stuff - that will increase heart rate and blood pressure, and is psychoactive enough to cause jitters and nervous system discomfort. On the plus side (there is a plus side), yohimbe can increase libido and the sensation is quite remarkable.

    The quality of commercial yohimbe is wildly variable, so it's a roll of the dice when you buy it. Experimenting should be done with a small quantity. Strict dietary restrictions should be observed, as yohimbe can cause severe reactions with a number of foods. The "don't ever eat this with yohimbe" list is long: any food that has been aged: processed meats, cheeses, pickled anything, alcohol (yeah, that again), and many others. Restrict diet to fresh fruit and salad, and small portions of freshly cooked meat, with water to drink, for at least four hours before taking yohimbe to minimize the risks. Keep to this diet for 24 hours after taking it.

    My own experiments with it (I haven't used it in more than ten years, I am completely done with it, but I did it enough to more-or-less understand it) indicate that the system rapidly builds a tolerance to yohimbe. If you take an equal dose two days in a row, you may not get the effect you're after on the second day. The idea of increasing the dose of this stuff to adjust to a higher tolerance level is too horrible to contemplate. The side-effects are severe, and the risks ramp up with the size of the dose. So, I used it just once a month, maximum. That was enough time to reset tolerance level.

    Before you use any of this stuff, learn as much about it as you can. There is plenty of information available on the web.
     
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    thanks very much guys, after reading all these weve decided it isnt worth it. neither of us want to risk our health with products such as yohimbe and were not looking for drugs that will give me an erection but do nothing for my partner.
     
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    took one of my dad's when i was 18,couldnt make it soft even after 4 orgasms
     
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    I've used a few varieties of this type of thing over the last couple of years - not too sure if I have used the original blue pill Viagra however.

    They effect people in different ways - my symptoms (apart from a rod of iron) is a dehydrated type feeling / slight headache as if I have just had an intense cardio session at the gym. Others have reported heartburn and I have had this with some jellies I have used.

    My favourite is Kamagra Oral Jelly - my erections with these are on the top end of my erection spectrum with my weener literally bursting at the seams. A slight flush 20mins after taking means it has kicked in. Yes there is an afterward dehydration feeling but I drink plenty of water to compensate this.

    Many of my male friends use these on a recreational basis as they gaurantee erections of steel. I have never myself used them with alchohol but I understand that the jellies still work with alchohol.

    Oh, finally, from my experience I do not endure 4hr erections with these - they subside as soon as your libido goes and can come back as soon as you get aroused again so having a boner stuck in your pants for hours on end is a falacy in my experience.

    I often use these when biffing for the first time with a new partner - an impressive length of concrete is guaranteed.
     
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