Exploiting The Male Gullibilty Quotient

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That link in your sig is the single worst video I've ever seen on YouTube. Whomever did it is the gay Ed Wood of the new century.
 

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It's more basic. It's nature. Females (seahorses excepted) are designed to be baby carriers and nurterers. Men, and males in the general animal kingdom, are the winners. Men have to win a woman, win food, win status in a tribe, win in battle. We're designed for it.

The reason this is so is because women are, in nature, more precious. In the hierarchy of the sexes, males come in second. We're expendable because it takes far less effort, in time and resources, for males to reproduce than females. Females are needed to bear, nurse, and raise young. Human young are nearly unique in that they are born helpless (marsupials excepted to a slight degree). It takes over a decade for a human child to become reasonably self-sufficient . That's a phenomenal amount of time particularly if you consider what life was like when humans were hunter gatherers and we were still regularly on the menu for quite a few other animals. The succesful woman was one who had a male fight and get food for her. He protected her against other humans and animals. The bigger, stronger, smarter, more imposing man she could find, the better. He attracted her by being big, muscled, a respectable member of the tribe, preferably of high status, a tight buttom and a large penis (to improve chances of insemination). She is also interested in how solicitous he was of her. Doing so meant he wouldn't just impregnate her and leave. She wanted some indication that he would stick around her and provide for her.

She attracted he by appearing healthy, with large breasts for feeding his potential offspring, wide hips for childbearing, unique features that give her status in the tribe (like being blonde or red-headed), and being of good nature so that she would get cooperation of the other women in the tribe, thus improving the social and survival chances of his offspring.

He displayed his prowess by bringing her items that required skill and strength to get; perhaps a lion tooth or a hunk of mastodon, or a bear pelt. After mating she would become progressively less nimble and, at the time of birth, become heavily occupied with child nursing and bearing for the next few years. She would have had other women to help her, but the traditional skills of the women didn't take her far from home. Spinning, herb gathering, fire tending, weaving, teaching language and customs to children, medicine, were all feminine arts. These were things essential to the tribe and to successful procreation.

Ten men could attempt to impregnate one woman but only one will succeed and then it would take nearly a year before she could procreate again.

One man could impregnate 10 women in just a few days and they would have ten children.

It's a matter of evolutionary imperative.

So when you say that woman is the man-using animal, you're right. However it seems to be a masculine definition of what a tool is. Women also use tools by being generally better at language, creating (these days buying) furniture and other things to make a home comfortable and pleasant as women are more sensitive to texture and color. Men, being more spatial generally excel at building and architecture, women better at making the structure a home. Women are also more sensitive to scent and taste; essential in knowing what foods are still fresh enough to eat. Women are more sensitive to temperature, essential for keeping babies warm, but also important in cooking and the detection of fevers. Women also read faces better, are more sensitive to the feelings of others, and express their emotions more readily. These tools are essential in keeping the tribe cohesive, cooperative, and sharing knowledge. Men bond readily in trial (hunting, battle, sport), women bond easily by talking frankly, sharing, and showing mutual concern.

We really do complement each other very well because it is the differences between the sexes that create the whole of humanity into the evolutionary success that it is.

NOTES: There are exceptions to every one of these general gender rules from culture to culture but, on the whole, this is accurate.

This in no way is meant to minimize the roles of women or men in any way. If I've explained properly, it will show that men are, by default, designed to serve the needs of women.

*Ties on a apron, checks the oven to see if dinner is done, then walks to the bathroom to apply lipstick and freshen up before her beloved sloped brow Cro-Magnun home from work.*:rolleyes:

BTW, dark hair is a dominant gene, blonde and red hair are recessive genes. They would more likely be ostracized from the tribe for their looks, not included as something special.
 

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Sloping though be my brow, I'd spare your life for breakfast.

Your natural instinct, O Protective One, is to make sure your hirsute offspring has someone to take care of it while you forage for food, don't forget.

And can you keep your hairy knuckles off the floor? I just mopped it.:biggrin1:
 

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My question has brought out the creme de la creme of literate thinkers here at lpsg.org. Chrysalis, big dirigible, jason_els; all in one thread. I'm now inclined to grab an old dog-eared edition of Desmond Morris' classic The Naked Ape along with the abridged edition of The Idiot's Guide to Anthropology.
 

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mercurialbliss said:
Ties on a apron, checks the oven to see if dinner is done, then walks to the bathroom to apply lipstick and freshen up before her beloved sloped brow Cro-Magnun home from work

Oh now that isn't fair! :crying: I have spoken only about traditional roles and then even bothered to add a disclaimer. I said nothing about the abilities of women (or men) beyond what appear to anthropologists and psychologists to be instinctual biases. Any attempt to assign to me an idea that men are somehow superior to women is mistaken.

I do not scorn or ridicule or think debased any woman who retains traditional roles any more than I scorn, ridicule, or debase any man who takes them on. Alternatively, a man who wishes to be a home maker and a woman who wishes to work outside of the home are, in my view, just as acceptable. I support the right of any one of any gender to engage in whatever occupation or passtime that person may wish including women being allowed in military combat. Best person for the job providing that person is appropriate and competent for it.

That said I do believe there some positions which are appropriate for members of each sex not to engage in. I would not want a man being an attendant in my daughter's locker room any more than I want a woman attending my son's. In these few instances I believe the sexes should be segregated equally.

mercurialbliss said:
BTW, dark hair is a dominant gene, blonde and red hair are recessive genes. They would more likely be ostracized from the tribe for their looks, not included as something special.

Canadian anthropologist Peter Frost of St. Andrews at Edinburgh published a study in the March 2006 issue of Evolution and Behavior refuting your position. His theory is summarized by this article in Wikipedia.

According to the study, the appearance of blond hair and blue eyes in some northern European women made them stand out from their rivals at a time of fierce competition for scarce males. The study argues that blond hair was produced higher in the Cro-Magnon descended population of the European region because of food shortages 10,000-11,000 years ago. Almost the only sustenance in northern Europe came from roaming herds of mammoths, reindeer, bison and horses and finding them required long, arduous hunting trips in which numerous males died, leading to a high ratio of surviving women to men. This hypothesis argues that women with blond hair posed an alternative that helped them mate and thus increased the number of blonds [emphasis mine].
 

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Kotchanski,
I have always been fascinated with falconry and enjoy watching all types of birds, including such simple birds, as chickens. I love fishing, and enjoy watching a hunter. I do not enjoy hunting w/ guns, but would be interested in bow& arrow.
I also, pick up sticks and break off twigs, briars, etc. so other hikers do not get slapped in the face. Maybe this is being thoughtful or mabye it's because I frequently find myself hiking w/ unexperienced folks and am showint them the ropes, so to speak of hiking with others.
Any way, how does one explore falconry?
You may message me, if you wish. Thanks!
 

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It's more basic. It's nature.
OK. First red flag. You talk about nature in this post and talk about "traditonal roles" in the next post. What is tradition? "The passing of the elements of a culture from generation to generation" (Answers.com) You've contradicted yourself by saying that the roles are innate, when in fact, tradition must be nutured by a community, not the chromosomes residing within us. Consider the different cultures all over the world, past and present. They're all different and women have ruled a few here and there. Read your history books.
The succesful woman was one who had a male fight and get food for her. He protected her against other humans and animals. The bigger, stronger, smarter, more imposing man she could find, the better. He attracted her by being big, muscled, a respectable member of the tribe, preferably of high status, a tight buttom and a large penis (to improve chances of insemination). She is also interested in how solicitous he was of her. Doing so meant he wouldn't just impregnate her and leave. She wanted some indication that he would stick around her and provide for her.
That's all fine and dandy but have you looked around lately? Women don't need men to hunt and gather their food supply and protect them anymore. We have jobs, make money, feed ourselves, and even become single parents if we wish. And we're not that "precious" since the world population boasts of more women than men now. The world is overpopulated as it is so there's no need for us to grunt, scratch your furry backs, and worry about keeping the human race from dying a slow death anytime soon.
It's a matter of evolutionary imperative.
See above.

So when you say that woman is the man-using animal, you're right. However it seems to be a masculine definition of what a tool is. Women also use tools by being generally better at language, creating (these days buying) furniture and other things to make a home comfortable and pleasant as women are more sensitive to texture and color. Men, being more spatial generally excel at building and architecture, women better at making the structure a home. Women are also more sensitive to scent and taste; essential in knowing what foods are still fresh enough to eat. Women are more sensitive to temperature, essential for keeping babies warm, but also important in cooking and the detection of fevers. Women also read faces better, are more sensitive to the feelings of others, and express their emotions more readily. These tools are essential in keeping the tribe cohesive, cooperative, and sharing knowledge. Men bond readily in trial (hunting, battle, sport), women bond easily by talking frankly, sharing, and showing mutual concern.
You are perpetuating every idiotic stereotype about men and women and are doing both a great disservice by assigning roles to them that you've created. FWIW, I scored off the charts at spatial awareness when my IQ was tested. I'm not only an interior designer but have created contruction plans for residential homes, restaurants, and businesses. I'm not only good at making the structure a home, i'm good at creating the structure. How do you figure that?
NOTES: There are exceptions to every one of these general gender rules from culture to culture but, on the whole, this is accurate.
Uh..no but thanks for playing.
This in no way is meant to minimize the roles of women or men in any way. If I've explained properly, it will show that men are, by default, designed to serve the needs of women.
It minimizes us because we don't need anyone to assign roles to us and there is no need for a male default any longer, as i've already explained.
Oh now that isn't fair! :crying:
What's wrong? Can't handle a little humour?
I do not scorn or ridicule or think debased any woman who retains traditional roles any more than I scorn, ridicule, or debase any man who takes them on. Alternatively, a man who wishes to be a home maker and a woman who wishes to work outside of the home are, in my view, just as acceptable. I support the right of any one of any gender to engage in whatever occupation or passtime that person may wish including women being allowed in military combat. Best person for the job providing that person is appropriate and competent for it.
You should have mentioned this in your previous post. The theory established by the Canadian anthropoligist was interesting but it's only a theory. The important thing to remember is that times have changed and women can do whatever they please without worrying about provisions and housing. And there are now more of us than men...i'm beginning to wonder if that's a problem for men and in the back of their minds they worry that they're no longer of much use to us except for sex and children.
 

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Had to just pull you up on that for a sec. As a professional falconer for several years, I spent a lot of time in the woods, random fields and the like. I am forever snapping off twigs, throwing rocks, fishing and hunting of various forms (I always eat what I catch, I don't agree with hunting for pure sport) Maybe I'm an exception, but I thought it was worth noting that there are women out there who do these things too.


How the hell did I miss this post? I have found my Helen. :wink: !! Kotchanski, you love sex AND raptors!!!???

What birds did you fly? I flew peregrines, Harris hawks and god forbid the occasional Coopers. I still have scars from an imprinted Coop on my arm!

Hard to explain here but is there anything tht gets in your blood like falconry? As soon as I retire I am gonna get back to the sport I love and hunt the fields till there ain't no fields.

Please please regale me with your best falconry story. I miss it so. The true conundrun in my life was finding a partner who accepted me in this time demanding sport. Have not found her yet. PM if you can I gotta live again, even if thru a surrogate.
 

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That's all fine and dandy but have you looked around lately?

"Lately," has nothing to do with this post. I have not argued a bit about what modern roles are as they do not apply. This is why I have been very careful to confine this argument to historic roles. You have used this arument as an opportunity to ascribe to me arguments about modern roles which I have not made in the original post.

You've contradicted yourself by saying that the roles are innate, when in fact, tradition must be nutured by a community, not the chromosomes residing within us.

In that you have me. I've used, "traditional" nearly interchangably with, "innate." I did this because we are speaking of the socieities from which we have all come from. Our ancestors followed this model for thousands of years, probably since before we were Homo sapiens. When I'm speaking of traditional, I'm refering to the time period from pre-history to the industrial revolution, not how your great-grandparents did things unless your great-grandparents were members of a remote hunter-gatherer people.

The fact that every society yet discovered adheres or adhered to these gender roles, I argue, points to an instinctual basis for early human social construction. I'm not alone in this. Evolutionary psychologists are positing this very argument. Please see:

Buss, D.M. (2004). Evolutionary Psychology: The New Science of the Mind. Boston: Pearson Education, Inc.

Carey, G. (2003) Human Genetics for the Social Sciences. Thousand Oaks, CA: Sage Publications

The Human Genome Project for Behavioral Genetics

Human Behavior & Evolution Society

Consider the different cultures all over the world, past and present. They're all different and women have ruled a few here and there. Read your history books.

Again, you've not read carefully. I posited quite clearly by stating that these are average tendencies, not absolute. I stated that there are indeed exceptions.

I do read history books and quite a few others. The fact is simple. Over the world, in cultures which had no contact with each other since the first African diaspora, men have been the hunter/protectors and women the child bearers/home and community makers. This is the overwhelming social construct in hunter-gatherer and appropriate technology agrarian socieites. It has nothing to do with who leads the socieites either. I made no comment about that as its apparently irrelevant. Women and men have led various forms of these socieities with no apparent change to the traditional gender role structure.

It minimizes us because we don't need anyone to assign roles to us and there is no need for a male default any longer, as i've already explained.

You're speaking of a modern urban construct. I agree, there is no need for the male default any longer, hence many men are floundering, trying to find a role for themselves in society as something other than sperm depositers. Rejection of traditional roles by women has created an effect in men that is still not understood, perhaps because the process is still ongoing. In any event, it is, at most, ancillary to my argument as my argument deals with pre-modern social roles.

The theory established by the Canadian anthropoligist was interesting but it's only a theory.

ALL of science is only theory. Even though mathematical proofs exist for mathematical theories, the problems are still officially theories. In physics, Kepler's Laws of Planetary Movement are STILL theories. In any event, I have cited a qualified published source which is as good as it gets in science. You have not.

The important thing to remember is that times have changed and women can do whatever they please without worrying about provisions and housing.

Again, my argument has NOTHING to do with this. I was afraid people would leap to conclusions like this, hence my emphatic disclaimation of precisely this point. I reiterate that men and women have particular, usual but not exclusive, tendencies and talents dictated by nature to serve survival and reproductive functions. We've inherited those tendencies as standardized testing has shown that there are tendencies for each sex to excel in those certain areas that assisted those survival and reproductive roles from long ago. Those behaviors and instincts have not gone away. If anything, science is re-discovering that nature is just as important as nurture, that the sexes are different in their behavior, perceptions, and methods of thinking. To confuse this with the ability of one sex to behave or perform any particular job is a mistake in logical assumption.
 

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FYI,

My mother has a master's degree and is now retired after a long and successful career. She is lately retired from the boards of directors of two corporations.

My maternal grandmother is also a college graduate and achieved seats on six boards of directors, two public corporations, and four not-for-profit national organizations.

My eighth great-grandmother led an expedition of several workmen and two native Americans from Staten Island, up the Hudson to Newburgh and then trekked inland to a land grant and there supervised work on clearing and building on the land patent of her indenture holders.

She did that at age 16 and was the first white woman in Orange county, New York.

My sixth great-grandmother was at the Four Fort Massacre. When her husband fell at his gun she took-up his arm and fought, barely escaping with her life as she was so wounded to appear dead. She was later granted veteran status by Congress.

My twenty-eighth great-grandmother was Eleanor of Aquitaine.

My eighteenth great-grandmother was Catherine de Medici.

I have NO problem with women who change gender roles, have been raised with a family of women who did (all the female members of my family, mother, two sisters, only female first cousin, all have masters degrees. My first cousin also holds several awards for winning tractor trailer driving rodeos (she's a very interesting person)), and I was raised in a household where women were expected to work outside the home and taught to rely on no one else for their happiness, finances, or successes.
 

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FYI,


I have NO problem with women who change gender roles...
What change? There is NO change as demonstrated above.

Could you imagine a discussion on a "Vagina Support Board" similar to this one going on with men espousing masculinist viewpoints and many women kissing their asses all the while?

Hell, I couldn't even imagine a "Vagina" support group (or any other kind of female board) with a "Men's Issues" section where hey "women are welcome to participate too".
 

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When Fred found out he was going to inherit a fortune when his sickly father died, he decided he needed a woman to enjoy it with. So one evening he went to a singles bar where he spotted the most beautiful woman he had ever seen.

Her natural beauty took his breath away. "I may look like just an ordinary man," he said as he walked up to her, "but in just a week or two, my father will die and I'll inherit 20 million dollars."

Impressed, the woman went home with him that evening and, three days later, she became his stepmother.

Women are just so much smarter than men.