Facials: degrading or expressions of love?

[D_Percival Pohquer]

I totally agree with you. I like cum on my breast, stomach, butt, in my vagina, but just across my face and in my hair, not really into that. Some of the girls on the porn shows don't look like they enjoy it either sometimes.

I know, girls in porn look like they are about to experience something disgusting when a man jerks off in front of their face. Its supposed to be something good when you get an orgasm... not disgusting

 

[joybunny]

Hell no, I think it's degrading. Not everything that can be done should and it is fun. The women in porn are getting paid to get a cum blast in the face. They don't really have a choice because it's their job.

 

[JC8]

I dont think they are either a expression of love or degrading. If you feel degraded by anything you partner does to you then there is a problem as there should be a mutual trust and respect i all things you do. also i dnt thinnk it is a expression of love as majority of the tme women aren't into it and only do it for the sake of their mans pleasure. Really, we get no physical pleasure from it. It is however just something thing couples do, Nothing different from any other sexual act.

Thank you.

 

[Phil Ayesho]

Frankly... I don't think men get anything from it either- other than a familiar visual...

The "money shot" was something that the porn industry invented by way of showing that the sex was real... not simulated.



But when it comes to actual sex that your having... as opposed to watching... who wants to pull out and jerk themselves off?

For the guy- it feels much better to cum inside...

Girls-- if your guy is all for facials... next time he cums inside your vagina, pull off, straddle his face and give him one.

 

[D_Percival Pohquer]

Girls-- if your guy is all for facials... next time he cums inside your vagina, pull off, straddle his face and give him one.

hahaha awesome post

 

[Kallisti]

Hell no, I think it's degrading. Not everything that can be done should and it is fun. The women in porn are getting paid to get a cum blast in the face. They don't really have a choice because it's their job.

They totally have a choice. All of them either sign releases (or contracts, in the cases of more established performers) and the performers alone determine what they will and will not do on camera. True, they may not get hired for ButtSlammers 23 if they won't do anal, but that's not the same thing as anal being a permanent part of their job description as a porn performer.

 

[joybunny]

They totally have a choice. All of them either sign releases (or contracts, in the cases of more established performers) and the performers alone determine what they will and will not do on camera. True, they may not get hired for ButtSlammers 23 if they won't do anal, but that's not the same thing as anal being a permanent part of their job description as a porn performer.

I tried to find the feature on ABC Primetime but unfortunately it is not posted online. I agree with you that women in the porn industry do have a choice but according to the report, many are forced into doing more degrading and even dangerous sex acts if they intend to keep working. In fact, there were a number of women interviewed that said they had little or no choice concerning facials, anal sex, and not using condoms. In addition, there is a big problem with STD and even HIV because of the porn industry's practice of not using condoms.

I can only reference what I have seen and read in the news but hopefully there is a woman here who can give more clarity to this issue. Nevertheless, I would not want my man to cum in my face and if he tried to, I would find in demeaning. However if the woman requests it or agrees with her partner, and they are in a trusting/loving relationship, the sky's the limit.

 

[kjguy]

I don't think I could do a facial. I'm constantly occupied with making sure I treat a woman as an equal when intimate. My girlfriend often wants me to be rougher, but I'm just too sensitive I guess. When I witness a facial in porn or whatnot, it honestly disgusts me. It's an immediate turn off, so I just can't imagine doing it for my sake or her sake.

 

[Phil Ayesho]

hahaha awesome post

Thanks--- and, oddly enough, I absolutely love it when a woman straddles my face after I shoot one into her.

 

[D_Tintagel_Demondong]

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If pornographers are making boatloads of money by promoting sexist behavior, I think we have every right to question whether such a practice should be allowed to continue. Of course, there are quite a few people who will claim all pornography is inherently degrading to women, as it separates the woman's body from the complete woman and makes her into nothing more than an object to be conquered.

What if she genuinely wants it? If so, then she's objectifying herself; don't blame the guy plastering her face. If she wants to become a glazed donut then that's her choice. Having said that, I do think that the porn industry can exploit women and that many women who endure bukakke don't really enjoy it.

People are making it sound like a sexist act, but there are plenty of guys who would love to have a woman squirt all over their face.

 

[abaco]

Please try not to be so ethnocentric. Facials are hardly the worst of it. When you could be addressing the Russian sex slave trade or the AIDS infected men in Africa raping little girls and giving them that Godforsaken disease, instead, you are putting the practice of women getting PAID top dollar to take a man's load on their face. Seems like there are some better things to discuss. And please dont ever try to link facials with child porn, it makes you sound less than intelligent.

Sexism and patriarchy is a broadly-painted canvas that exists across culture, social status, and economics. It is everywhere. It goes from not being able to elect a woman president, to women being laughed out of academia, to being forced to give up career or friendships, to women being beaten, raped, psychologically abused, etc. I could go on and on for pages of this, all the way down to child sex slaves. Just because act A is more reprehensible than act B, that doesn't mean act B should be ignored. It is all part of one single concept: "WOMEN ARE INFERIOR TO MEN".

If I perceive an act of sexism or patriarchy, I'm going to say something, because it is all part of this same idea, that women are inferior to men and can be treated as objects, animals, property, whatever. Here I perceive an act that appears to be a degrading practice and I wanted to ask that question. I think a culture that accepts act B as okay is far more likely to accept act A (or at least turn a blind eye to it). And if we can attack this notion of sexism, teach young boys (and a few men) that women and men are essentially one and the same, I think we do a lot to reduce the likelihood that truly reprehensible acts such as child slavery, such as rape, such as spousal and child abuse, will occur. You would never abuse or degrade one of your own, so to speak, but you can degrade "the other" because you believe they don't feel or perceive the world as you do.

They totally have a choice. All of them either sign releases (or contracts, in the cases of more established performers) and the performers alone determine what they will and will not do on camera. True, they may not get hired for ButtSlammers 23 if they won't do anal, but that's not the same thing as anal being a permanent part of their job description as a porn performer.

"Choice" is relative. An 18-year-old runaway with no one to turn to who has no means of earning a living, who stumbles upon an ad in the paper or the wrong guy at a bar may wind up in pornography only to survive. It is the same with prostitution. Most did not "choose" this living because it was the "best" choice for them, but because it was either that or die. Sure there are some who choose it and love everything about it, but I would guess this is not the norm, and even if it is the norm, nobody at that age is particularly good at making great choices for themselves. So who knows what these women subject themselves to that they may feel wrong about, but feel powerless to object? (Ever seen Youngthroats? Oh my god....)

there were a number of women interviewed that said they had little or no choice concerning facials, anal sex, and not using condoms.

Exactly. If women are not equals, they have less power and can therefore not protest openly. The entire population of female pornstars may hate receiving facials, but inculcated in a culture of sexism from a young age, they'd have no way to understand their power to stand up and say no. They, in fact, have come to feel that they are inferior, and that this practice is therefore okay.

 

[abaco]

What if she genuinely wants it? If so, then she's objectifying herself; don't blame the guy plastering her face.

Whatever happens between mature consenting adults is fair game. Sex can be mutually objectifying.

 

[WhiteTadpole]

Sexism and patriarchy is a broadly-painted canvas that exists across culture, social status, and economics. It is everywhere. It goes from not being able to elect a woman president, to women being laughed out of academia, to being forced to give up career or friendships, to women being beaten, raped, psychologically abused, etc. I could go on and on for pages of this, all the way down to child sex slaves. Just because act A is more reprehensible than act B, that doesn't mean act B should be ignored. It is all part of one single concept: "WOMEN ARE INFERIOR TO MEN".

If I perceive an act of sexism or patriarchy, I'm going to say something, because it is all part of this same idea, that women are inferior to men and can be treated as objects, animals, property, whatever. Here I perceive an act that appears to be a degrading practice and I wanted to ask that question. I think a culture that accepts act B as okay is far more likely to accept act A (or at least turn a blind eye to it). And if we can attack this notion of sexism, teach young boys (and a few men) that women and men are essentially one and the same, I think we do a lot to reduce the likelihood that truly reprehensible acts such as child slavery, such as rape, such as spousal and child abuse, will occur. You would never abuse or degrade one of your own, so to speak, but you can degrade "the other" because you believe they don't feel or perceive the world as you do.


"Choice" is relative. An 18-year-old runaway with no one to turn to who has no means of earning a living, who stumbles upon an ad in the paper or the wrong guy at a bar may wind up in pornography only to survive. It is the same with prostitution. Most did not "choose" this living because it was the "best" choice for them, but because it was either that or die. Sure there are some who choose it and love everything about it, but I would guess this is not the norm, and even if it is the norm, nobody at that age is particularly good at making great choices for themselves. So who knows what these women subject themselves to that they may feel wrong about, but feel powerless to object? (Ever seen Youngthroats? Oh my god....)


Exactly. If women are not equals, they have less power and can therefore not protest openly. The entire population of female pornstars may hate receiving facials, but inculcated in a culture of sexism from a young age, they'd have no way to understand their power to stand up and say no. They, in fact, have come to feel that they are inferior, and that this practice is therefore okay.

Goddamn..... you MUST be one of those fucking retard liberals that's too busy finding whats wrong with everything rather than pointing out whats right. All you are is a negative attention support whore. EVERYONE has a choice! I met an African man who works at my college who came here with 2 master's degrees. He was a subway janitor for 3 years while he got his PhD. He had a choice. Most "victims" in these situations would rather fuck for money because it's easy. It is because they are lazy, and they dont need you making an excuse for them and labelling them a victim. Fuck! You make me sick to my stomach. I cant believe I went to the middle east year after year to defend someone as goddamn useless as you. Please stop posting on subjects which you have NO business commenting on. There is no scenario in the U.S. where women have no choice to not do porno. You are not prolific. If you want to make a victim out of somebody, go suck Jesse Jackson's cock and he will teach you how to do it. Hell, maybe he will bust a load on your face and we can talk about you for awhile.

 

[abaco]

Goddamn..... you MUST be one of those fucking retard liberals that's too busy finding whats wrong with everything rather than pointing out whats right. All you are is a negative attention support whore. EVERYONE has a choice! I met an African man who works at my college who came here with 2 master's degrees. He was a subway janitor for 3 years while he got his PhD. He had a choice. Most "victims" in these situations would rather fuck for money because it's easy. It is because they are lazy, and they dont need you making an excuse for them and labelling them a victim. Fuck! You make me sick to my stomach. I cant believe I went to the middle east year after year to defend someone as goddamn useless as you. Please stop posting on subjects which you have NO business commenting on. There is no scenario in the U.S. where women have no choice to not do porno. You are not prolific. If you want to make a victim out of somebody, go suck Jesse Jackson's cock and he will teach you how to do it. Hell, maybe he will bust a load on your face and we can talk about you for awhile.

I am an American. I was born here. In my short life I've lived all over the country, including the deep south, the bible belt, the bluest of the blue collar midwest, and now, Rhode Island, where fucking retarded liberals like me don't get abused like this. Regardless of how each of us choose to serve our country, I have the same vote as you, and the same bill of rights. You're going to have to learn to understand my perspective sometime because the liberal agenda is coming -- and gender parity is part of that. I am perfectly willing to talk, but we can never get to know each other if you push me aside so brazenly.

And you'll be happy to know that when we fucking retarded liberals provide you with better veteran's health, and provide your family with universal health coverage and your children with a better public education, that you and your family will still be included, in spite of your vitriol toward me. I forgive you.

And BTW -- thank you for serving in our armed forces, if you did in fact do so. It's the highest service to your country there is and I respect that even if you are mean to me.

 

[WhiteTadpole]

One word..... acronym rather...

N A F T A

yeah... thanks for that.

In 1992, Hillary made a phonecall to the senator of North or south Carolina (cant remember which) and convinced them to change their vote. Ever since, our country's economy has gone downhill. In 2007, Hillary made a public statement that she was opposed to NAFTA back then. After this, the senator came out and blasted her for lying and reported on her convincing conversation. A woman president wont be elected this year because she is a liar. Maybe in future elections we will have a female candidate worthy of a vote. Obama also came out and said he planned to expand NAFTA to peru! Our farmers in the U.S. have been the only ones living comfortably since 1992, and now he wants them to be replaced by South American Farmers! Jesus. Why are you in favor of seeing this country brought to it's knees? I have been to 16 different countries and lived in 9 different states in America. After seeing what I have seen, I am proud to call this my home... but my opinion is dwindling. I can see that when "you people" get what you want, I will have to leave the place I love to survive. The great America that we had was built on people who left their country for religious freedom who were willing to give up everthing they had to persue hapiness... not welfare and global economics. Liberals may have played a very MINOR part in increasing health benefits for veterans, but you were the same group calling the Vietnam soldiers baby killers. God, I could just go on and on. I just dont think I will ever be able to support or understand a group of people that encourages the downfall of my home. And yes I did serve, 5 years. Most of which was on the USS Leyte Gulf. Gender parity is a bad thing, I agree with that. So why not bring up the porn that has women dressind in black leather abusing male's genitals while they are tied up? Is it "okay" for a woman to do it because we have been a patriarical society for so long? Why not argue about this? I am willing to bet the men in these videos are FAR less compensated than the women mentioned previously.

 

[abaco]

WhiteTadpole,

As this is a discussion specifically about the degrading/non-degrading nature of facials in pornography, I'm not going to get pulled into an extended debate about NAFTA, health care, and liberalism vs. conservativism. If you would like to have a discussion about these things, send me a personal message and I will gladly listen. You have very passionate opinions and probably for good reason, but I have my own and I hope you will respect that.

Also, you said "Gender parity is a bad thing." I think you've got your definition of "parity" mixed up with something else, because "gender parity" is essentially the same as "gender equality" (not exactly, though).

BDSM, to which you refer, is a different class of pornography, and a different type of sexual act. It is masochism and subjugation (or domination) by choice. I'm sure a good psychologist could list the reasons why many who choose this kind of masochistic sex have deep emotional issues, but it's not really relevant to the argument, and as long as greater society is not being hurt, what an individual does is his choice. At the end of the day, that guy gets to go home and be the "man" again (although probably with some discomfort when sitting.)

Part of the fetish of BDSM is often the "role-reversal" where the man is completely incapacitated to the domination of the woman. In a world where men and women were treated equally, this specific fetish might not even exist!

But what I'm speaking of is the consistent and repeated use of facials in mainstream pornography -- the type of pornography consumed by a great majority of men and young men, whether this is "right" to begin with, and whether repeated viewings of it has a negative effect on its viewers, particularly the youngest.

I'm guessing that when a 12-year-old comes across a rare BDSM video and sees a man having his genitals scalded for sexual pleasure, he is probably aware that this is not the most common practice (although I'm just speculating). But to see women taking cumshots in the face over and over and over and over for years and years, you wonder whether he may come to see that as "normal" behavior, or worse, to FETISHIZE the behavior to the point that he feels a desperate need to do it to every woman he encounters. That's no good for him or for gender parity (unless, as one poster suggested, she gets to blast him in the face, too.)

Oh, and I checked out the Leyte Gulf. Very nice. That's definitely something to be proud of. I always said that if I were drafted into war I'd take the Navy without hesitation. (I'd probably try to fly A-10's first, but I'm pretty sure I'd get turned away because I'm too tall for most cockpits. Plus I need corrective vision.)

 

[WhiteTadpole]

Yup, did misinterpret gender parity. And that is a valid argument. I am willing to stop harping now.

 

[RamIt]

I dont think they are either a expression of love or degrading. If you feel degraded by anything you partner does to you then there is a problem as there should be a mutual trust and respect i all things you do. also i dnt thinnk it is a expression of love as majority of the tme women aren't into it and only do it for the sake of their mans pleasure. Really, we get no physical pleasure from it. It is however just something thing couples do, Nothing different from any other sexual act.

Thats a great, fair minded post.

Besides, what do women think men get all over their face when we go down on them, aquafina bottled water?

 

[Throwaway_Evil]

Thats a great, fair minded post.

Besides, what do women think men get all over their face when we go down on them, aquafina bottled water?

Also a good point. I know that if I am doing a good job at it, giving a lady oral can be quite sloppy.

 

[B_Demention]

Haha, a facial as an "expression of love" - I don't think anyone on earth would think of it that way. My girl lets me do it anywhere on her whenever I want but that's just because I'm perverse and she's a nasty girl too when she wants to be. But it's not like I'm saying "I love you truly madly deeply, here's my load on your face."