Faux News Wins Again: Majority Of Americans Believe 'Myths' About Health Care Reform

[deleted15807]

Blaming this on the "liberal media" is a cop-out.

What 'liberal media'? The same media that allowed the Right to seize control of all branches of government without seriously questioning the pros/cons of the ideology of 'limited government'? The pros/cons of preemptive war? The pros/cons of tax cuts? The pros/cons of using the government to promote religion? That liberal media? Is that the one we are talking about?

 

[D_Tintagel_Demondong]

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The polling data just before the Iraq before stated the exact opposite. Most of ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, NYT, etc believed that Saddam had WMD's and ALSO was part of 9/11 only Fox News viewers felt Saddam had WMD's but was NOT part of 9/11.

Am I the only one who remembers the media's copious coverage of Hussein repeatedly kicking Hans Blix out of Iraq because he continually failed to find any evidence of WMD's?

As far as the NYT claiming that Iraq had WMD's: it was mainly done by one reporter -- Judith Miller. She was fired, and then went to jail for helping to out a CIA operative. There's a rotten apple in every barrel.

It was the conservative media, not the liberal media, who vehemently insisted that Iraq had Nuc-u-lear and chemical weapons. The Washington Post still has an embarrassing article from 2004 on their website. An excerpt:

Some reporters who were lobbying for greater prominence for stories that questioned the administration's evidence complained to senior editors who, in the view of those reporters, were unenthusiastic about such pieces. The result was coverage that, despite flashes of groundbreaking reporting, in hindsight looks strikingly one-sided at times. (source)

 

[houtx48]

daily show is just as credible as anything out there, more than some so called news programs.

 

[D_Tintagel_Demondong]

daily show is just as credible as anything out there, more than some so called news programs.

It's poignant that a comedy show has better fact-checking than some news networks.

Despite 'reporting' the news, they are basically a comedy show. When Jon Steward went on crossfire, that douchebag, Tucker Carlson, wouldn't let up on his invalid point that The Daily Show wasn't 'newsy' enough.

Stewart also made a great point about how the media, from ultra-liberal to ultra-conservative, are subservient to politicians simply to get them on their shows. "I'm not going to be your monkey," is my favorite quote.

Just like O'Reilly, Tucker is nowhere near Stewart's intellectual equal.

 

[Qua]

daily show is just as credible as anything out there, more than some so called news programs.

And yet John Stewart still hides behind his "comedian" label when he's accused of being a shoddy, sometimes misleading news source.

 

[D_Tintagel_Demondong]

And yet John Stewart still hides behind his "comedian" label when he's accused of being a shoddy, sometimes misleading news source.

Can you give us an example of this?

He's actually his own worst critic.

 

[D_Bob_Crotchitch]

rex2000, go to school, learn something, be somebody. Go outside and get some fresh air. I'm only here because I'm home sick, and bored.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

And yet John Stewart still hides behind his "comedian" label when he's accused of being a shoddy, sometimes misleading news source.

That's because he is a comedian. He did many other things before The Daily Show, many of which weren't even politically motivated. Many people don't even know this, but John Stewart wasn't even the first host of the program. Craig Kilborn did it for the first three years.

Besides, "The Daily Show" is a news satire program. It's not supposed to be completely factual or even neutral, even though the points of interest come from actual news sources. What would be the point of this show if it was a serious program?

 

[D_Tintagel_Demondong]

rex2000, go to school, learn something, be somebody. Go outside and get some fresh air. I'm only here because I'm home sick, and bored.

School doesn't start for another week. Until then, you're stuck with me. :tongue:

 

[Qua]

Besides, "The Daily Show" is a news satire program. It's not supposed to be completely factual or even neutral, even though the points of interest come from actual news sources. What would be the point of this show if it was a serious program?

While I completely agree, it is not a true news satire program. The Colbert Report, for example, is (and to brilliant effect). The Daily Show contains too many of Stewart's true, completely serious political opinions to completely dissociate itself from the cable news pundits he lampoons. And that is where my issue with him lies. He doesn't admit this. When he is attacked on a political or journalistic level, he denies any credibility in those areas, and yet continues to use his show as a pseudo legitimate media outlet, rather than a strict satire. It's like the movie that can't decide if it's a preachy social commentary, a pointed satire, or a complete farcical comedy. The show has an identity crisis, and Stewart refuses to admit that those identities which draw criticism actually exist.

 

[B_cosmognosis]

Turn off the gawddamned TV...Fox is wrong so often there's actually a website devoted to monitoring thier fuck ups. The rabbit hole is so deep that anyone who still thinks that partisanship makes a difference isn't even worth talking to anymore.

Washington is bought and paid for, both sides. Get out while still you can.

I must admit I'm stunned that anyone has the audacity to defend any aspect of the illegal pre-emptive war that was started by the last administration, though. That's a level of willful ignorance that I am really appalled by.

And for those that expected a change to come with the new administration, how's that working for you? Shouldn't we be seeing a 180 degree change from former policy? Don't hold your breath is all I'm saying.

I don't know how it will happen, and I don't know if or when, but until the whole thing comes crashing down (and I'm not advocating that any actions should be taken to cause such an event and I never would), please stop talking about it like any of us has the power to change it by arguing on the internet.

Politics...It would be a joke if it wasn't so painful to watch people believe the illusion. Disgusted doesn't even begin to describe how I feel when I see people bickering about these nonsensical issues while the real problems apparently are too much to contemplate.

I promise you this is my last post in the politics forum...I'll be off doing better things with the time I have left.

 

[Qua]

^^Best post on this forum. <-- That's a period. <--So's that. <--etc. etc.

 

[B_Enough_for_Me]

I agree. It is better to simply bury our heads in the sand then to pay attention and try to inform ourselves. That strategy has worked well throughout history, especially in democracies where being informed on issues is your duty to your fellow citizens. Further, killing off bad ideas is the function of the 'marketplace of ideas.' That's us. We debunk, say nationalized health care, and then we vote accordingly.

I think your post is so perfectly timed. Obama is going on TV (and infront of congress) to explain why we need to pass his ideas. If you weren't buried when this all started, Obama tried to, first, rush his bill through congress, then he tried to steamroll it, now he's on bent knee. Why? Because people informed themselves about the issue and made a stand. Had those people tuned out and stayed home (the Cosmo-Plan) we'd have a monster on our hands.

 

[liberalcynic]

Fox News is always Faux News