Fbi director comey says agency won’t recommend charges over clinton email

[JulieInNaplesFL]

Sorry. Comey is a republican. And the fact is Comey shouldn't not have said anything so close to the election when indeed he had no evidence and in fact not even a warrant to look at the emails.

Comey does what BHO tells him to do. If you think he's doing this on his own well your .......never mine it's not worth my time. Don't forget to vote. Oh, and often as you can.

 

[deleted15807]

Comey does what BHO tells him to do. If you think he's doing this on his own well your .......never mine it's not worth my time.

Ahh longing for J. Edgar Hoover's FBI? Logic would dictate Obama would have simply squashed the whole idea of the letter in the first place if indeed Obama was Comey's master. The action made both democrats and republicans angry and yielded nothing, as expected.

In case you read though I doubt you do much of it....
For FBI, email investigation yields little but criticism

Oh and "BHO"? Yes his middle name is Hussain. And yes he wasn't born here. And yes he's a Muslim. If anyone wants a good laugh check out Barack Hussein Obama over at Conservapedia. It's like Holy Bible for idiots.

Don't forget to vote. Oh, and often as you can.

Julie we only have to vote once to beat you. Sore losers are still losers. The numbers of rubes like yourself and MG are dwindling. Nothing but the last whimpers of a dying beast.

 

[JulieInNaplesFL]

Ahh longing for J. Edgar Hoover's FBI? Logic would dictate Obama would have simply squashed the whole idea of the letter in the first place if indeed Obama was Comey's master. The action made both democrats and republicans angry and yielded nothing, as expected.

In case you read though I doubt you do much of it....
For FBI, email investigation yields little but criticism

Oh and "BHO"? Yes his middle name is Hussain. And yes he wasn't born here. And yes he's a Muslim. If anyone wants a good laugh check out Barack Hussein Obama over at Conservapedia. It's like Holy Bible for idiots.



Julie we only have to vote once to beat you. Sore losers are still losers. The numbers of rubes like yourself and MG are dwindling. Nothing but the last whimpers of a dying beast.

Come back and tell me that Tuesday night as you and Hilldebeast are crying in your beer. Maybe you can help her change her Depends.

 

[deleted15807]

Come back and tell me that Tuesday night as you and Hilldebeast are crying in your beer. Maybe you can help her change her Depends.

Oh I won't be crying that's for sure. Whether or not Trump is shown to be the fraud on Tuesday or later, he will be exposed just like his pal Chris Christie was last week. And beer? Never. More your thing I'm sure.

 

[phonehome]

If the President directed Comey as suggested then he would have told him way back when that the FBI was going to do as it ALWAYS does in such cases and just issue that one line press release that says "we do not recomened charges" and leave it at that and not only no but hell no when it came to his "here is everything she did wrong" press conference.

 

[Phil Ayesho]

Now that's what I should've done, copy and paste shit from the official, REAL Clinton email scandal thread..as opposed to the UNREAL Clinton Email Scandalzzzzzz
But that thread was about the emails pertaining to the emails out of the State Dept. off of her private server, that FBI was investigating ...
The above diatribe attempts to conflate three different sources of emails ;
The state dept.- Clinton home server emails ( Clinton's IT techs pleaded the 5th at congressional hearings )
The hacked DNC emails ( this FBI investigation is ongoing)different server/ISP SECURITY
The hacked Podesta emails ( FBI investigation ongoing)different server/ISP SECURITY

For the umteenth time, the only thing all these emails have in common is they all concern the Clinton Campaign ..and their lack of IT Security Expertise

And for the umpteenth time... you're missing a few things they have in common that are pertinent. What they also all have in common is that the GOP has consistently tried to use the term 'email' to imply criminal actions on the part of Clinton for which there was zero evidence. They have conflated emails that the FBI saw as being exclusively about the Clinton Foundation, with emails having to do with State Dept communications, which several former Secretairtes of State also used their private emails for- and which the FBI discovered MORE procedural failings by the Government SECURITY branches than by Clinton, herself. It was the CIA and NSA and the Pentagon that SNET Clinton emails that contained classified information that was NOT correctly formatted to make that classification clear to the recipient.
So- your canard about Clinton's IT security incompetence really should be more correctly leveled at the SAME 'security' wizards who have repeatedly been shown to allow unsupervised access of classified intel to low level contractors- and who have frequently targeted and compromised by foreign nations.


The Telling thing is when they FAIL to discover anything even remotely criminal or scandalous in these emails- that they DROP the investigations like hot potatoes... Comey is NOT refusing to indict to do Clinton any favors... but so that his OWN office and the US security establishments OWN fuckups, failures and inability to manage their own security do not come to light.


And, sure- the GOP candidate encouraged Russian state actors to try and hack into Clinton's emails and release them thru wikileaks... Which in itself treads mighty close to collusion with foreign powers, However- there was NO evidence found by the FBI that Clinton's server had ever been hacked... and it is far more likely that the emails that WERE hacked were hacked from FBI sources.... ( or- not hacked at all but simply handed over by one or more Agents at the FBI who have demonstrated political animus toward Clinton )

This is a different thread because people stopped reading the prior thread when it got repetitive. And because this is NEW information that casts this whole con into a new light.

The FBI has a group of agents acting independently within and possibly acting as the leak to distribute Clinton's private emails to the public. They didn't have the intelligence, nor the stamina to sift thru all those emails themselves- so they handed them over to Assange.
They are in clear collusion with the Trump campaign as evidenced when a campaign staffer leaked to the press a week before this letter from Comey that the Trump campaign was arranging their own 'huge' october surprise for Hillary.

This shows a high likelihood that FBI agents have been actively misusing their positions to wage a campaign of innuendo and rumor against a political opponent with no actual evidence of any wrongdoing whatsoever.

Instead of a thread about Hillary's emails- this is a thread about the right wing effort to SUBVERT the publicly perceived probity of the FBI to make a thin innuendo seem to have more weight than it does.

The FBI was USED to LIE to the electorate about a candidate for public office thru a very cynical "where there's smoke, there's fire" ploy.

Once more proving that Hilary is Not the crook, and not the danger to democratic institutions... CONSERVATIVES ARE.

The GOP has become a fascist movement.
They willfully obstruct democratic governance and elections by every means they can.


At this point you are not voting for a Democrat candidate. You are voting for, or against, Democracy, itself.


And the sad, pathetic history of THIRD party candidacies should be a warning to every voter. EVERY third party candidate that ever got a significant percentage of votes ONLY guaranteed the election of the party MOST diametrically opposed to that third party's stated aims.

If you REALLY care about the progressive policy.... then voting for the green or the libertarian candidate is the SUREST way to make sure the GOP gets the power to IGNORE climate change and pollution and income inequality for another 4 years. The surest way to lose health care reform with NOTHING to replace it.


Hillary may not be the most exciting candidate... but you are not voting for the candidate. You are voting for REASONABLE governance based upon real knowledge and evidence.... not the hyperbole of interests vested in established wealth.

 

[braalian]

Come back and tell me that Tuesday night as you and Hilldebeast are crying in your beer. Maybe you can help her change her Depends.

I have a very strong feeling you won't be showing your face in this thread come Tuesday......

It's amazing Trump supporters are so confident when he is spectacularly behind in the electoral college projections.

 

[Phil Ayesho]

Why is anybody voting for either of theses worthless dirt bags?

Oh yeah, your insane and believe your side is perfect. lolololololol.

Because not everyone is STUPID.

Some people recognize how the real world works and that you vote for the party whose platform is closest to your own AND that has the POSSIBILITY of winning... because voting for parties that can not win does NOT influence the policy of the parties that actually end up in power, and because splitting the coalitional strength of the more progressive party only makes it easier for the opposing side to secure power.

And if you DON'T Vote- you give up any credibility to call ANYONE a dirtbag. You gotta be willing to ACT in your best interest- or STFU.


Really- its NOT an equivalency of bad choices.

Hillary has had NINE congressional investigations and one by the FBI- And she was subject to numerous investigation over the Whitewater inquests of the 90's... and NONE of them has implicated her in a SINGLE illegal act. Not even a misdemeanor.

Stop trying to pretend that the democrats are just as bad as the republicans, because it simply isn't so.

the GOP had total power- and did NOTHING about immigration. They DID deregulate a whole swath of industries, like energy trading, and oil trading- that immediately devolved into price fixing and criminal conduct. They tanked the US economy- refused to repair our infrastructure, and BORROWED money from the chinese to wage the two longest wars in US history to destabilize the middle east. They touted the SELF CORRECTION of the market--- but when their polices allowed that market to defraud the entire western world, they made YOU the taxpayer, PAY for the private loses of the market... and they did so without the government attaching ANY controls to those private corporations whose unethical conduct nearly destroyed the world economy.

it is the GOP that is obstructing government, The GOP that flirts with defaulting on the US debt. ( which is unconstitutional ) The GOP that has racked up the largest debts and it was the GOP that created the dept of homeland defense- which was the single largest increase in the size, COST and intrusiveness of the Federal government in US history.

It was the GOP primary that made DICK SIZE an election issue. The GOP candidate who threatened to NOT accept the results of a free election, the GOP that has decided that the People of the USA ELECTING a president is NOT any reason to allow that president to appoint Supreme court justices.

Hillary may well be unlikable- but she is demonstrably competent, and wiling to work WITHIN the democratic system that we have had for over 200 years.

Trump transcends unlikable to be overtly hateful. He is childish, petty, does not respect the rule of law nor the concept of a democratic majority. He is authoritarian, fascist, elitist, and thin skinned. He is not the guy who is woken up at 3 am with a crisis to handle- he is the guy who is ALWAYS STILL AWAKE AT 3 am- obsessing over his twitter feed because someone, somewhere, said something about him he didn't like. He is vengeful, misogynistic, xenophobic, ignorant, inconsiderate, incompetent...

oh- and he's a LOUSY businessman who has declared bankruptcy 5 times and is under investigation for overt fraud.

And while Hilary certainly has a public face and a private face ( as do we all ) Trump is an inveterate liar, charlatan, and con man.


So, sorry, Julie... but your comment only makes apparent that you are too ill informed, or unintelligent to really follow the actual events of the world around you.



We don't GET perfect candidates. We don't GET perfect governance.

We make the best choice we can from a field of less than perfect options.
And to do so we have to ignore the smoke and mirrors of PR campaigns and political rhetoric- and instead focus on ACTUAL actions and ACTUAL outcomes.
Not bullshit innuendo and imaginary bogiemen... not the PRESS and talking points of EITHER party... but the actual shit they actually do.

We had 8 years of Bush, with 6 of those having both houses and the supreme court in solidly conservative control.
- And they wrecked the economy- underfunded the government by letting the rich pay nearly no taxes- destabilized the middle east- first ignored al queda- then got us into two wars they never paid for... the middle class LOST ground, and income inequality rose to its highest level since the robber barons of the 1910s and 20s. And racked up the largest budget deficits in world history.
Oh- and under 8 years of GOP administration, US oil production fell and oil prices rose. real americans lost their jobs, lost their homes, lost their retirement savings... and the millionaires on wall street got THEIR debts bailed out.

And we had 8 years of Obama- with only TWO of those having both houses of congress in democratic control.

And they saved the economy, got bin laden, lowered unemployment, placed SOME curbs on the finance sector, increased US oil production to now being the world's largest supplier, lowered oil prices While increasing implementation of Solar and wind energy, legalized gay marriage, and reduced the budget deficits. Oh- and they gave us healthcare reform...

We have ONE side who claims the the climate is NOT getting warmer... and that, even if it is, WE didn't do it and should not have to address it.

And we have another side that is saying- it definitely IS getting warmer, and regardless of the CAUSE, when your house is burning down, you put out the fire regardless of the cause.


So, really- if BOTH sides seem equally shitty to you... its because you have your head up your ass.

 

[tripod]

I voted for Hillary and I am one HELL of a Hillary critic.

The Republicans have made it clear that they are not serious about governing... if Jill Stein was on my NC ballot, I still would have voted for Hillary.

I think she's a war mongering elitist who would be extremely dangerous as the leader of the United States...

... but she's serious about governing and I can't give my vote to a childish and disgusting political party (Republicans).

All I EVER wanted from Hillary Clinton was for her supporters to: stop rubber stamping every idea she's ever had, stop acting like she can do no wrong, stop blaming everyone in the world except for Hillary for her failings and mistakes... I have a problem with her supporters and her campaign but Hillary herself is just fine and seems like a sensible individual.

We have a fantastic opportunity to push Hillary Clinton in the progressive direction instead of the center-right where her supporters have been allowing her to drift to... allowed by the rubber stamp with the thought that everything that comes from her (and the DNC) is correct and perfect.

The DNC should NOT be an authoritarian crowd who rallies behind strong leaders through fostering a dictatorial style-absolutist environment that stifles dissent and promotes conformity... but it has I am afraid... my party has inched closer to fascism and they haven't even noticed it.

 

[Boobalaa]

Must be sphincter tightening time for ol Phil..and his crew of social media trolls, on the payroll..Too late Phil..
Voting for reasonable governance based on on REAL knowledge and evidence is why I voted for Bernie AGAINST your candidate during the primaries. The evidence and knowledge was very telling, wasn't it, isn't it?
What you call the hyperbole of interests vested in established wealth is exactly what your candidate represents. The Status Quo.
I really care about progressive polices unlike the Demopublicans and the Republicrats do. How progressive have the Democrats become Phil? Yup, as with the rest of your Hillibiillybots, you blame the republicans..
I've been voting third parties on and off since the 1970's . So yes, blame all the shit for the past 40 years on me also..
But Phil, , Why even have third parties, why do people vote third parties? Because the "this or that", "good vs. evil" , "us and them", "heaven or hell" , "black or white", concept is bullshit!
This country is run as an Oligarchy, So suddenly, Hillary will transform the system, through executive privilege? What, is she the next FDR?
Fear monger I guess..that's what gets people's attention..and you're very good at fear mongering.
Why is your candidate 1-5 points ahead if the bafoon? Blame the berniebros, blame the third parties, blame Wikileaks, blame the FBI, who was being called "Trumptown" a few days ago.
The FBI is reverting back to the old FBI of Hoover. In the name of "fighting terrorism" , they are in competition with the CIA for the prime mover in the fight against domestic terrorism ..
No matter who is President, the servailence state will fester..It was all well and good and hunky-dory when all the shit was blowing the other way, but when the blowback sullied the demopublicans and their chosen one, oh my goodness..what hath God wrought? Speak of Canards

 

[rbkwp]

'like' very much your honesty tri

gaurantee not many persons will freely admit who they voted for, with additional information

no
like other dodgy lpsg politicos, very quick to rubbish all and sundry, but never reveal there own true thoughts and/or actions

i have noticed!!!

New I voted for Hillary and I am one HELL of a Hillary critic.

.AGREE
feel shes going to be very dangerous in that area

I think she's a war mongering elitist who would be extremely dangerous as the leader of the United States...

... but

#29tripod, 16 minutes ago

 

[deleted15807]

I have a very strong feeling you won't be showing your face in this thread come Tuesday......

It's amazing Trump supporters are so confident when he is spectacularly behind in the electoral college projections.

Two things:

• You would think they have seen the same projections and wouldn't come here pounding their chests given the facts.
• Pretty wretched the only two females on this thread despise the first female candidate in history. And are enthusiastically routing for the misogynistic man ever who boasts about sexually assaulting women. What's next "roaches for Raid"?

 

[Phil Ayesho]

Must be sphincter tightening time for ol Phil..and his crew of social media trolls, on the payroll..Too late Phil..
Voting for reasonable governance based on on REAL knowledge and evidence is why I voted for Bernie AGAINST your candidate during the primaries. The evidence and knowledge was very telling, wasn't it, isn't it?
What you call the hyperbole of interests vested in established wealth is exactly what your candidate represents. The Status Quo.
I really care about progressive polices unlike the Demopublicans and the Republicrats do. How progressive have the Democrats become Phil? Yup, as with the rest of your Hillibiillybots, you blame the republicans..
I've been voting third parties on and off since the 1970's . So yes, blame all the shit for the past 40 years on me also..
But Phil, , Why even have third parties, why do people vote third parties? Because the "this or that", "good vs. evil" , "us and them", "heaven or hell" , "black or white", concept is bullshit!
This country is run as an Oligarchy, So suddenly, Hillary will transform the system, through executive privilege? What, is she the next FDR?
Fear monger I guess..that's what gets people's attention..and you're very good at fear mongering.
Why is your candidate 1-5 points ahead if the bafoon? Blame the berniebros, blame the third parties, blame Wikileaks, blame the FBI, who was being called "Trumptown" a few days ago.
The FBI is reverting back to the old FBI of Hoover. In the name of "fighting terrorism" , they are in competition with the CIA for the prime mover in the fight against domestic terrorism ..
No matter who is President, the servailence state will fester..It was all well and good and hunky-dory when all the shit was blowing the other way, but when the blowback sullied the demopublicans and their chosen one, oh my goodness..what hath God wrought? Speak of Canards

Once more- since you don't appear to read very well.
I voted for Bernie in the primaries- and would have in the election if he were the candidate-
I did so to push the democratic platform further left.
To Push HILLARY further left.

But you're voting for third parties is WHY we got Bush instead of Gore.

Sorry- but this is NOT a parliamentary system- where smaller, more numerous party factions can win power with only 36% of the vote... ( and even then- they can not govern without forming a MAJORITY coalition with OTHER parties in parliament. )

You can spout your conspiracy theories- but you show little comprehension of history because the US DID swing WAY more progressive after the wall street crash of 29- when austerity pushed by the GOP pushed the nation into the depression.

The primary OBSTACLE to progressive polices is NOT the GOP- its people like you who demonize BOTH sides and support impotent third party morons. ( and yes- BOTH jill Stein and Gary Johnson ARE truly moronic )

If you want to actually achieve a progressive agenda- then you actively PUSH for a progressive party platform in ONE of the two primary coalitions... and, sorry- but the GOP is a MUCH harder party to push even toward the MIDDLE, much less toward progressive policies.

The Democratic party IS the party of responsible governance- and YES during the last thirty years of GOP ascendancy and the MYTH of saint Ronnie... the democratic party DID swing more conservative because the american electorate was swayed by the conservative propaganda of he magical invisible hand and the trickle down beneficence of the people who were Wealthy BECAUSE they were better and smarter.

And now that pendulum is starting to swing back. 30 years of conservative policies becoming law has resulted in economic catastrophe and inequality. and people are beginning to warm to the idea of socialism.

Like any politician, Hilary reflects the biases of the electorate and when everyone was loving conservative 'values' she moved right.

And now that everyone is loving bernie she is moving left. And if you really want to push progressive policies its NOT Hillary that really matters... its all those down ballot progressives who need to be put in office to support a nationwide trend toward progressive policies that WILL make things better and will push the electorate even further left thru demonstrated success.




So- really, spare me your impotent complaints about oligarchy- The democratic process put oligarchs in their place BEFORE- and it can do it again. Eisenhower taxed the rich at over 90%

But its NOT gonna get done by folks like you, whining about the only party that MIGHT accomplish what you want and dividing progressives. YOUR attitudes UNDERMINE the progressive agenda.


Hillary will likely win- but thanks to the whiney sniping of people like you who can't comprehend coalition power- she will probably NOT get a democratic house. She will probably NOT get a lot of governorships and state legislatures going democratic.
Probably not get the overwhelming mandate that WOULD have emboldened her to try for dramatically more progressive policies... because it does NO president any good to propose policies that can not get passed.


So- seriously- grow a lobe and realize that you build coalitions thru building support- thru shooting down lies and innuendo that are baseless and have no bearing on the policy question at hand....that you actively stump for and promote the PARTY and the Candidate that you CAN influence.

Because- really- it it really is a rigged system of oligarchs- then whining won't do anything about that, either. That's when the only recourse is revolution. And as history and the Who tells us- the new boss will be the same as the old boss.

 

[Boobalaa]

So you're saying just because I didn't vote for who you wanted me to vote for, I can't participate in the progressive process afterwards? I voted for democratic women senator and representative . I voted for progressive county supervisors and city council reps.
So fuck off, I live in CA. It's fear no hers like you who need to grow a lobe..Its all one big fuckin racket

The reason Gore lost was not the third party people's fault. Get over it. Bush won. Then he termed out. Obama has become a warmonger and Hillary will make both of them look mild in comparison. Very Progressive.
Who is whining? Just cuz your candidate is having a rougher time than predicted, Just cuz you can't scare me, Don't call me a whiner..

 

[tripod]

But you're voting for third parties is WHY we got Bush instead of Gore.

Actually, the notion that Nader cost Gore the 2000 election is wrong. A third party candidate spoiler is the more simplistic and coarse hypothesis... but the reality is that the Republicans purged the voter rolls.

They purged the Florida voter roles in 2000 via a company called ChoicePoint. The Republicans are doing the same thing (except for it's nationwide and not just in Florida) right now in 2016 via a company called CrossCheck.

From Wikipedia - "ChoicePoint, a corporation based near Atlanta, Georgia, USA, which claims to be the "nation's leading supplier of identification and credential verification services," is the company whose DBT subsidiary spoiled the electoral roll in Florida enabling George W. Bush to "win" the 2000 presidential election"

"ChoicePoint has been criticized, by many critics of the 2000 election, for having a bias in favor of the Republican Party, for knowingly using inaccurate data, and for racial discrimination. Allegations include listing voters as felons for alleged crimes said to have been committed several years in the future. In addition, people who had been convicted of a felony in a different state and had their rights restored by said state, were not allowed to vote despite the restoration of their rights. (One should note Schlenther v. Florida Department of State (June 1998) which ruled that Florida could not prevent a man convicted of a felony in Connecticut, where his civil rights had not been lost, from exercising his civil rights.) Furthermore, it is argued that people were listed as felons based on a coincidence of names, despite other data (such as date of birth) which showed that the criminal record did not apply to the voter in question."

"ChoicePoint, as a matter of policy, does not verify the accuracy of its data and argues that it is the user's responsibility to verify accuracy."

"On April 17, 2000, at a special Congressional hearing in Atlanta, ChoicePoint Vice-President James Lee testified that Florida had ordered DBT to add to the list voters who matched 80% of an ineligible voter's name; middle initials and suffixes were to be dropped, while nicknames and aliases were added. In addition, names were considered reversible, for example; Clarence Thomas could be added in place of Thomas Clarence. Lee opened his testimony by noting that ChoicePoint intended to get out of the voter purge industry. Then, on February 16, 2001, DBT Senior Vice-President George Bruder testified before the US Civil Rights Commission that the company had misinformed the Florida Supervisors of Elections regarding the usage of race in compiling the list. Greg Palast concludes, "An African-American felon named John Doe might wipe out the registration of an innocent African-American Will Whiting, but not the rights of an innocent Caucasian Will Whiting." Palast believes that 80%, of the 57,700 people he argues were illegally barred from voting, were African-American."

A more detailed analysis is to be found here.

You see, it's very complicated and it's muuuuuuch easier to just say, "Nader cost us the election." which is more succinct, is more simple and is easier to remember than the actual reason.

No American should be vilified for voting for the candidate of their choice be it 3rd party or otherwise.

 

[Boobalaa]

Phil, no matter who the next President is going to be, it's up to Us on The day after Election Day through Inauguration Day and after, for as long as it takes.. We must show our influence by pushing, blocking, pressuring, encouraging, fighting, reframing, emphasizing, and organizing...

 

[Phil Ayesho]

Phil, no matter who the next President is going to be, it's up to Us on The day after Election Day through Inauguration Day and after, for as long as it takes.. We must show our influence by pushing, blocking, pressuring, encouraging, fighting, reframing, emphasizing, and organizing...

Well stated and I heartily concur.

 

[Phil Ayesho]

PS- After re-reading much of this thread.... I suspect that Foghorn is a Bot.
Canned talking points and links to overt propaganda.
No real discourse or cogent discursive responses.

 

[tripod]

Canned talking points and links to overt propaganda.

This describes the majority of this forum and the American political climate in general.

 

[phonehome]

All that "choice point" stuff may be true and I believe it is but it in no way changes the FACT that if Ralph Nader had not been on the ballot in FL and ONLY 60% of his voters who still would have went and voted and not just "stayed home" because they could not have voted for him had voted for AL Gore and considering the three platforms it is overly generous to think that GWB would have got even 40% you are taking about a difference in Favor of Gore of at LEAST 10,000 and with that margin there would have never even had been a "recount"

There is no way to no how all those "choicepointer's" would have voted, they may have been lured by the siren song of that 3rd party as much and maybe more than the people who did vote and maybe that 500 would have be 1500.

But if they had not had that option --------------