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Federal Job Guarantee

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wallyj84, May 22, 2019.

  1. wallyj84

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    This seems to something Bernie Sanders is going start promoting.

    What are your views on a job guarantee?

    I am very much against it. I think out of all the solutions it is the most backwards thinking and prone to turning into something horrible.

    What do you guys think of it?
     
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    it's absolute garbage, it doesn't provide a worker with any incentive to be there best, currently workers are held to a standard to maintain and as work for many many years just fine
    Socialism doesn't work, look at Venezuela it once was one of the richest countries in South America, now not so much
     
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    Terrible idea ... so everyone just takes a career aptitude test and then they're told what job to perform? A civilization left with no free will...
     
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    So you think people work better if they have to fear?

    Something I can't agree with.
    Depends on how he defines "job guarantee".

    I think it's impossible to guarantee anyone a job for your whole life. There are always economical reasons that will demand to fire people, over the next 50 years.

    On the other hand to fire someone always should be the last desition and the state should guarantee by law that it always is the last desition.


    For example, in a lot of European countries it's very difficult to fire people out of economical reasons. Only as final solution possible. If companies have to do it, they aren't allowed to hire a new person for exactly the same job for a certain time.

    To fire someone because of misbehaviour always is possible.
     
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    Please do a little basic research. This is the 'plan" that you are arguing over:


    In the wealthiest nation in the history of the world, everyone who can work in America should have the right to a decent-paying job. We can and should have a full-employment economy. In 1944, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt talked about the right of every American to have a job. That was true then. It is true today. A job guarantee will lower the crime rate, improve mental health, and create a stronger sense of community. It will create a much healthier and happier America. A full-employment economy is not a radical idea. That means:

    • As part of the Green New Deal, we need millions of workers to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure—roads, bridges, drinking water systems, wastewater plants, rail, schools, affordable housing—and build our 100% sustainable energy system. This infrastructure is critical to a thriving, green economy.
    • At a time when our early childhood education system is totally inadequate, we need hundreds of thousands of workers to provide quality care to the young children of our country.
    • As the nation ages, we will need many more workers to provide supportive services for seniors to help them age in their homes and communities, which is where they want to be.
    Jobs for All - Bernie Sanders
    Bernie 2020 - Not me. Us.
     
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    It's not fear, it's incentive and if you're doing your job right you have nothing to worry about simple as that
     
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    Who defines if you do your job correct?


    What if I demand 100% every day? - I know everyone says "I give 100%", but that's not possible. You really have to love what you do to get close to 100% every day. Most people work for the money, not because they love their job. Therefore they can't give 100% all the time.
    Knowing you can't, even if it's demanded creates fear.

    Have a closer look at Amazon and you know how fear works.
     
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    Do you have *any* idea how many people can tell you otherwise? :eek:
     
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    It is the bare bones of a plan. But thank you for posting it.

    Here is the thing, how will you guarantee those jobs? There is definitely a lot of work to be done, but is it enough work to guarantee everyone a job? Seems like a bad idea. UBI is better.
     
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    It reads more like a wish than a plan
     
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    clearly you did not travel to south america. If Venezuela is bad today it's corruption.
     
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    Fair point.

    I would really like to see details on how they think it will work. Because this could easily turn into a busy work dystopia.
     
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    Since 1945 the population tripled. If the trend continues, the population would be at 12 to 16 billions in 2050. Since we automatized most of the work, It's impossible to the capitalism to remain as we know it. It will need to evolve to a decent system.
     
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    There are a number of excellent replies here. There are times when I have felt the government should hire people for public works and infrastructure projects when unemployment is fairly high. I think government programs that are supposed to provide specific services should be fully staffed if they are expected to return optimum results. However the idea that everyone would have a guaranteed job, in perpetuity somehow funded by the government is just not a good idea. I agree with you it is a backward idea, and would be a disaster in as an election issue and a cluster fuck of epic proportions to implement. What would be the point of "free college" if person did not need it for a job? What the hell would the government do with all the philosophy majors who can't find jobs? It's early yet, but I feel a Bernie slide beginning with idea like this. Not a good sign - for him.
     
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    In France you can go to the university without paying any fees. You can concentrate on studying instead of working to afford school. Schools should never be private only public funded.
     
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    His age is definitely starting to show. I still think the nomination is his to lose, Biden is fools gold IMO, but I don't think he is the right person for the job anymore.
     
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    Thank you...
    So it's not a guarantee that you will never be unemployed, but more a guarantee that you will always find a decent payd job.

    While I wouldn't focus on the word guarantee, I would point out the basic idea, that the state offers a large number of jobs because they want to provide a good service.

    His plan sounds good. Something I think every western nation should de. We need it badly.

    This reminds me of the only thing I thought Trump was right. His 2 trillion infrastructure investment plan... what happened to it?
     
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    Works Progress Administration - Great Depression


    The WPA lifted millions out of poverty... to think otherwise is historical revisionism.
     
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    No one has said otherwise. It is not currently operating. It was not a permanent government agency to employ people for life. It did do a massive amount of good, and is an idea government should be willing to use again during periods of high unemployment.
     
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    This gentleman's quote below is arguing against any sort of generic "jobs" program with the old "socialism doesn't work' canard.

    My post is a pushback against his erroneous notion that socialism doesn't work. I didn't quote him because I just didn't feel like it.

    I certainly didn't put forth the notion that it was... that's your strawman.

    I certainly didn't put forth the notion that it was...again, that's your strawman.

    Which was the point of my VERY SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND post.
     
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