Federal Job Guarantee

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This seems to something Bernie Sanders is going start promoting.

What are your views on a job guarantee?

I am very much against it. I think out of all the solutions it is the most backwards thinking and prone to turning into something horrible.

What do you guys think of it?
 

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Please do a little basic research. This is the 'plan" that you are arguing over:


In the wealthiest nation in the history of the world, everyone who can work in America should have the right to a decent-paying job. We can and should have a full-employment economy. In 1944, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt talked about the right of every American to have a job. That was true then. It is true today. A job guarantee will lower the crime rate, improve mental health, and create a stronger sense of community. It will create a much healthier and happier America. A full-employment economy is not a radical idea. That means:

  • As part of the Green New Deal, we need millions of workers to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure—roads, bridges, drinking water systems, wastewater plants, rail, schools, affordable housing—and build our 100% sustainable energy system. This infrastructure is critical to a thriving, green economy.
  • At a time when our early childhood education system is totally inadequate, we need hundreds of thousands of workers to provide quality care to the young children of our country.
  • As the nation ages, we will need many more workers to provide supportive services for seniors to help them age in their homes and communities, which is where they want to be.
Jobs for All - Bernie Sanders
Bernie 2020 - Not me. Us.
 

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Why is there a need for Federal Jobs program when the US is now at full employment? Sanders is being dishonest. No one digs ditches anymore, machines dig ditches run by trained operators and that extends to all of construction but that is just an example. There isn’t much demand for unskilled labor, particularly in infrastructure construction.

The unemployment rate is a misleading statistic.
 

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This seems to something Bernie Sanders is going start promoting.

What are your views on a job guarantee?

I am very much against it. I think out of all the solutions it is the most backwards thinking and prone to turning into something horrible.

What do you guys think of it?

There are a number of excellent replies here. There are times when I have felt the government should hire people for public works and infrastructure projects when unemployment is fairly high. I think government programs that are supposed to provide specific services should be fully staffed if they are expected to return optimum results. However the idea that everyone would have a guaranteed job, in perpetuity somehow funded by the government is just not a good idea. I agree with you it is a backward idea, and would be a disaster in as an election issue and a cluster fuck of epic proportions to implement. What would be the point of "free college" if person did not need it for a job? What the hell would the government do with all the philosophy majors who can't find jobs? It's early yet, but I feel a Bernie slide beginning with idea like this. Not a good sign - for him.
 

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We do have more jobs now than there are prospective workers. People are fairly compensated for their work. They are generously compensated for their work today, as we speak.

You won’t be able to name one job where a worker is underpaid, given the value of his/her skills. Just saying people are underpaid is just that, a few words without value.

Offering a recession type jobs program whereby jobs are going unfilled NOW is bad policy.

And to be fair, running a huge budget deficit when we are at full employment is bad policy.

Go have fun arguing now.

You said yourself that we have 3.6% unemployment. Do you think that those 3.6% of people don't want jobs?

People are not compensated fairly for their work. Wages have been stagnant since the 80's, even your party agrees with that, even if they don't think its a problem.

We are not at full employment, you said that yourself.

Go have fun arguing now? Why are you acting like a little bitch when someone makes a comment about your bullshit. That was the first comment I made on this thread. Meanwhile you're posting bullshit on every thread in this forum. Who the fuck are you not to expect a response. An asshole who can't back up his claims, that's who.
 
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It's not a road filled with Krispee Kreme doughnuts either.

Tight labor market continues in 2018 as the unemployment rate falls to a 49-year low : Monthly Labor Review: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Part of the summary from the report.

"One takeaway is that even though unemployment rates have declined to the lowest levels in nearly 50 years, many of those who are unemployed have been without work for an extended period. For example, many unemployed people have been actively searching for a job for 27 weeks, 52 weeks, or even 99 weeks and longer. At the same time though, the number of unemployed job losers continued to decline and employment rose for most major occupational categories in 2018."

The number of people working multiple jobs hovers around 5% (which most people will not do if they are making such spectacular wages).

Table A-9. Selected employment indicators
 

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Myself being in the workforce for over 40 years I know what it takes, I've never been fired from a job I've watched other employees come and go do to their lack of work ethic, hard work and a good attitude is what it takes, and if for some reason you lose your job show some character pull yourself up by the bootstraps and get another job

You are effectively describing the labor environment of Bangladesh.

the corruption started with socialism

Venezuela's economic problems are complex but the biggest problem that the country faces is with inflation.

That inflation was caused by a shortage of US dollars... for a country that is a petro-state while the US dollar is currently the
petro-dollar and that imports a large amount of goods, that spells certain disaster for their economy.

The shortage of US dollars was 100% engineered by US foreign policy... you know "economic warfare".
 

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Too many philosophy majors anyways. Digging ditches might enlighten them.

On a serious note, upper level education needs an overhaul much like the medical and pharmaceutical industry, before anymore money is poured into the bottomless pit.

A lot of overpriced tuition, producing bullshit degrees being taught by overpaid idiot professors that have led a sheltered life in academia that haven't a clue about the difference between shit and shinola.

I both agree and disagree.
 

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Yeah, it would be a real shame if we had more jobs than we had people to fill the positions. If you missed your first day of economics 101 then you'll understand how that kind of a situation would be processed by the law of supply and demand. Imagine a world in which people were fairly compensated for their work, even generously compensated. What a tragedy, right?
 

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I now understand. You are poorly educated.

Full employment:

For example, in 1999, in the United States, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) gives an estimate of the "full-employment unemployment rate" of 4 to 6.4%. This is the estimated unemployment rate at full employment, plus & minus the standard error of the estimate.[8]

I know numbers and definitions. You don’t.

Have a nice day.

No, you don't understand. 97% is not the same as 100%, not even close to six sigma, but you don't know what that means. Either way, it doesn't really get to the point of the matter. You're the same person who will claim to fight for the working man, but then won't make the argument for the working man in this case.

You don't know numbers or definitions. You accept a definition of "full employment" in which less than 100% of employable people are employed. Every time you post on this forum your confirm your idiocy.

Keep throwing insults though, since you can't make an argument that holds water.
 

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Yes it is a terrible idea. We are at 3.6% unemployment now, where will these workers come from?

So we are going to build more government pre schools in order to handle all the pre schoolers? Again we are at 3.6% unemployment, where are they going to find all this untapped labor?


Please answer where one might find all this labor?

One again, the unemployment rate is a misleading statistic. Look at the labor force participation rate. It is very low, much lower than it has been in a long time.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Not all of this is due to a bad economy, please see my link below explaining the labor force participation rate and why it is so low, but the fact that it isn't rising with unemployment going down is a sign that something is very wrong.

5 Reasons Why People Dropped Out of the Labor Force and Won't Return

The way you're harping on about this makes me think you're a Trump supporter and want to protect his record, but this isn't about Trump. The LFPR has been low since the great recession. Obama didn't fix it and Hillary wouldn't have fixed this problem either. This isn't an attack on Trump. It is a comment on the weaknesses of the US economy that go well beyond who is in office.
 
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If you think anyone thinks any of those things are free, you may need to revisit the proposals.

Yet when his “crew” runs Washington without fail the deficit spirals out of control. Somebody’s getting something for free. And apparently it’s not a problem at all.
 
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That is what I mean by having a nice week.

Your week should be spent working on yourself.

Psychology of Bragging: Why Some People Do It?

Insecurities

People who always brag about their personal achievements are actually lacking the sense of self-confidence and pride. In reality, bragging is their medium to make a point and make other people aware of what they have.

They want their neighbors and friends to notice everything that makes them proud. Bragging also their instrument to make other people know that they are better than others.

Bragging is not only happening in the traditional face to face interaction but more so on social media. Notice how many people do post their daily activities online? Most of those photos are irrelevant.

Why would millions of people do that? Again, that’s simply the function of insecurity and illusionary feeling of being not enough.

But the people who habitually do this behavior are mostly unaware of why they do it. Their main purpose is not to hurt or demean someone though. They just try to cover their vulnerabilities with self-proclaimed successes.


Why do you suppose no one actually believes that ???

More importantly who cares?

 

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No it isn’t. You posted what amounts opinion, not fact. Again, right now there are 7.1 million unfilled job openings.

My first google search, job openings Qualcomm, brings up 109 PAGES of job openings.

Qualcomm Careers - Job Search


2nd search: Exxon

View all openings

25 pages

Amazon has 30,274 open jobs.

Amazon's global career site

Lennar has 980 job openings.

I am right and you are wrong.

Have a nice Memorial Day!

I posted facts. The labor force participation rate is low. The lowest it has been in decades. The retail sector is going through a period of massive layoffs right now. Please see the below article.

Retail Layoffs Are 92% Higher In 2019, And Now Even Wal-Mart Is "Quietly Closing Stores"

Posting the want ads is not be rebuttal. It doesn't take into account jobs lost or the regional differences between where jobs are made or lost. Your analysis is really shallow.
 

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it's absolute garbage, it doesn't provide a worker with any incentive to be there best, currently workers are held to a standard to maintain and as work for many many years just fine
Socialism doesn't work, look at Venezuela it once was one of the richest countries in South America, now not so much
So you think people work better if they have to fear?

Something I can't agree with.
This seems to something Bernie Sanders is going start promoting.

What are your views on a job guarantee?

I am very much against it. I think out of all the solutions it is the most backwards thinking and prone to turning into something horrible.

What do you guys think of it?
Depends on how he defines "job guarantee".

I think it's impossible to guarantee anyone a job for your whole life. There are always economical reasons that will demand to fire people, over the next 50 years.

On the other hand to fire someone always should be the last desition and the state should guarantee by law that it always is the last desition.


For example, in a lot of European countries it's very difficult to fire people out of economical reasons. Only as final solution possible. If companies have to do it, they aren't allowed to hire a new person for exactly the same job for a certain time.

To fire someone because of misbehaviour always is possible.
 
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It's not fear, it's incentive and if you're doing your job right you have nothing to worry about simple as that
Who defines if you do your job correct?


What if I demand 100% every day? - I know everyone says "I give 100%", but that's not possible. You really have to love what you do to get close to 100% every day. Most people work for the money, not because they love their job. Therefore they can't give 100% all the time.
Knowing you can't, even if it's demanded creates fear.

Have a closer look at Amazon and you know how fear works.
 
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