Ferguson

[b.c.]

so
why doesent your black president try to resolve/make a difference re this issue
no better opportunity, not likely to get another chance for a black president/if ever
can almost see it now, maybe not many others are going to be given another chance
be much more racial riots in the future to prevent another black president hitting that 'white house'

a few minutes uttering/pleading with a sad pseudo face at the lectern dont cut it
is that all the input thats going to happen
all this overseas shit shouldent take precedence over his doestic stuff

tbh
i dont give a shit re it all
ironic/just feel like throwing in 99c worth, ironic also that its your/a BLACK Friday huh, maybe thats the reason for this splurge ..

One answer to your question is that he perhaps still considers himself president of ALL the people (even those who've totally rejected him as the President from the very start), and therefore picks carefully what he says and does on the subject.

Recall that the few times he DID express support and association with certain events and realities regarding blacks, he was quickly lambasted and labelled as DIVISIVE by the right-winged-looney conservative, hate mongering set, looking for anything to criticize him for.

The other answer to your question is, given the above, and given that Obama was NEVER going to satisfy them anyway, and that they'd hate him regardless... then YEAH, maybe you're right.

 

[rbkwp]

i can readily accept that b.c.
i loved the guy in his run up and first couple of years, i hated the cunts who blocked his every move subsequently/or thruout his entire terms tbh,
never made his task easy
soooooooooooo, accept and understand, Thanks ..

 

[b.c.]

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State law prohibits the disclosure of the actual vote of the grand jury and prohibits them from discussing anything about it:

Where Is Ferguson Jury? Who Are They? It's All Secret, and Vote Will Stay That Way - Bloomberg


A grand jury procedure "morphed" into a trial-like parade of mountains of evidence, all without cross examination:

Ferguson grand jury investigation: A shadow trial violates the public’s right to access.


McCulloch EXCLUDED several eyewitness accounts that would have strongly indicated that Wilson did NOT act in self defense.

Justice Scalia Explains What Was Wrong With The Ferguson Grand Jury | ThinkProgress

 

[b.c.]

i can readily accept that b.c.
i loved the guy in his run up and first couple of years, i hated the cunts who blocked his every move subsequently/or thruout his entire terms tbh,
never made his task easy
soooooooooooo, accept and understand, Thanks ..

Well, to drift off subject momentarily, I believe (and said elsewhere) that the man is a better president than many in this country deserve.

That said, I'm not wholly uncritical of him, and though tripod and I disagree on a number of ideologies, he is correct in saying that Obama has been too middle of the road, especially in working (or TRYING to, at least) with those who conspire to undermine him.

I personally would've preferred if he had a more "in your face" demeanor in dealing with these sorts, considering corroboration and cooperation was never going to be a reality.

Maybe he's learning that. Which is why he said in effect F*** you to Boehner and the GOP, and issued his executive order on immigration.

They only would've stalled and delayed, then ridiculed Obama in the Latino press for NOT opposing them (as they already did once before).

So yes, THAT made my day.

 

[Calboner]

In my opinion, Obama likes the racial tension. It's gets them all riled up and it keeps them voting for the Democrats because the Democrats are promising to make it better; we've seen how that's gone so far.

In light of recent election results, one could say with much greater plausibility that it makes "them" disaffected with public authority and consequently less likely to vote at all.

Or one could actually try to learn what the facts of the matter are. But, of course, it is much easier and more comfortable just to maintain whatever opinion agrees with your other political opinions, isn't it?

 

[rbkwp]

and my final take on it all is that we do know and should accept that if its not in our demeanour/personality etc to be a hard positive no nonsense person
then its hardly likeley we can readily 'change our spots'
President or just a Human being?
maybe he is too gentler a soul to be an effective hard hitting President, especially when the bad bastards gang up on him

agree the last 4 years, he has unfortunatelty seemingly acquiesced ..?
a little too much i geuss

 

[deparent]

In light of recent election results, one could say with much greater plausibility that it makes "them" disaffected with public authority and consequently less likely to vote at all.

You do realize that Democrats are less likely to vote at midterm elections than the 'older, more educated white males' as studies have shown. (Remon me and I'll try to find a link). The past 3 presidents have lost controll of Congress to the opposing party. The patterns and evidence is there; I'm not wrong about this.

 

[b.c.]

More police bulls**** in St. Louis county:

Pregnant Woman Loses Eye After St. Louis Cops Shoot Bean-Bag Round - NBC News


And here's the story about the burning down of the Brown's church. And contained herein a link to a Youtube video produced by the hacker group, Anonymous, in which they raise some troubling (if true) questions about possible klan involvement in Ferguson:

KKK in Ferguson, Missouri? Pastor Says Yes | WebProNews

 

[Onyxpumper]

They do not want equality, what don't you get about that?

Who are "they" that you speak of? I can bet it is not a majority of the people; so please elaborate on that!

Lets switch the roles: say a black cop shot and killed a white teen who had just robbed a convenience store. I want you to honestly answer this question: would there be rioting in the streets if the black cop were not indicted?

If this ever happened with these exact same circumstances, the cop would be fired and indicted so damn quickly. For the officer to get on the stand and say he felt like a damn 5 year old from fighting with someone's arm as a justification to shoot not just to disarm but to kill! To shoot someone several times, including in the head, that is an execution! I would say an indictment is in order. (NO MATTER WHAT HIS ETHNIC BACKGROUND).

Additionally, many of those "witnesses" were under oath but continued lying and changing their story. It's common knowledge that some of the "witnesses" weren't even there to see the shooting.

Didn't the main witness keep his story the same...but that doesn't matter does it?

You want equality, then be honest and hold yourself to a higher standard than a criminal. Equality will come, but only when the rest of the country sees them as something other than rioters. Take responsibility for your brethren.

Do you have any idea what it's like to be considered a criminal without ever having a criminal background nor criminal intentions?

I would like to note that I am in favor of equality for all, but it shouldn't be given to a group of people acting like a four-year-old throwing a tantrum.

By "group of people" are you referring specifically to the few that are rioting instead of protesting or to the entire African American community?

Originally Posted by deparent View Post
So now it's the white's fault that the blacks have a reputation of being suspicious? I couldn't care less of the race of a murderer or who was killed, just so long as whoever it was is punished according to the law, and not emotion.

Well I wouldn't say entirely but I will say the last several decades of white people labeling people of color as suspicious definitely has played a significant part in this debacle. But you may not have the mentality to understand that.

 

[deleted15807]

An interesting and refreshing take on things. Perhaps this is what Al Sharpton should be preaching during his Ferguson visits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpsQwl_19M4#t=41

Well Dakota nice to see you're still around. Why don't you head over to your Benghazi-Gate thread and explain how you were so dead wrong. Or are you avoiding that and sligning your garbage over to the next faux issue?

Some pretty much out THEMSELVES, don't they?? I think it's pretty clear (to ME at least) who/what we're dealing with here:

re. the klan:

Isn't that amazing? Out themselves indeed. And do note he never answered the question. Oppps another Cliven Bundy here. This from the man who claims the Klan doesn't exist even has he doubles down on Klan mentality.

I posted on this subject several times, in this thread and another. They haven't had s*it to say in response.

Well white people rioting makes the whole argument 'they're animals' a little inconvenient. So we ignore that like global warming science. Dump that shit down the road.

 

[Fuzzy_]

In my opinion, Obama likes the racial tension.

Then your ethos is dubious.

 

[Dakota Kid]

Well Dakota nice to see you're still around. Why don't you head over to your Benghazi-Gate thread and explain how you were so dead wrong. Or are you avoiding that and sligning your garbage over to the next faux issue?

What's the matter, sarge…….no comment on the video?
Yeah….didn't think so

 

[deleted15807]

What's...

As expected you're DOA. We were all looking for a mea culpa. Alas we knew that wasn't going to happen. Onto the next item on bullshit mountain.

 

[Popyuu]

An interesting and refreshing take on things. Perhaps this is what Al Sharpton should be preaching during his Ferguson visits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpsQwl_19M4#t=41

Awesome video; I totally agree.

A few questions. Why is it that you and others think that black behavior gets let off the hook? Why do you guys think in such black and white terms that you can't fathom a person simultaneously being against black on black violence AND white on black violence along with other forms.

Sharpton has held countless rallys and gave countless speeches on the topic. I'm sorry you are so low on that information but black civil rights leaders have, are and will continue to speak on those issues.I know of many white people that have confirmed this. They've actually been to marches and meetings and what not. So why are you saying the things you are currently saying? If you didn't know then thats one thing but if you do...is this just more blacks behaving badlyness? Yes, i think it might be.

And if thats the case then how come you guys more involved in stopping rape, school/mass shootings and political corruption? Oh thats right. Bengaziebolawmdstoobigtofail. Selective memories.

I would agree, but what if it looks like the suspect was going for the cops weapon when he was killed? It's not like cops are never killed in the line of duty--with their own gun.

Just some ready stuff

i can readily accept that b.c.
i loved the guy in his run up and first couple of years, i hated the cunts who blocked his every move subsequently/or thruout his entire terms tbh,
never made his task easy
soooooooooooo, accept and understand, Thanks ..

Wait so the cunts just magically stopped blocking stuffs? When? And where they do that at?

In light of recent election results, one could say with much greater plausibility that it makes "them" disaffected with public authority and consequently less likely to vote at all.

Or one could actually try to learn what the facts of the matter are. But, of course, it is much easier and more comfortable just to maintain whatever opinion agrees with your other political opinions, isn't it?

I tend to agree. I can't even attempt to bring up my grievances with obama on this site cause then i'm sure the "see we were right, he is the devil/blame obama for racism/blame obama for the environment/blame obama for my burnt toast/blame hilarity for bengazi" would completely break the site.

As expected you're DOA. We were all looking for a mea culpa. Alas we knew that wasn't going to happen. Onto the next item on bullshit mountain.

I agree and don't you just love how he thought he got away with that deflection. Cause no one saw that one of course. I wonder if he'll go see the movie coming soon directed by Mr explosions/america flags/product placement. :biggrin1:

 

[Dakota Kid]

sarge…..I post a video of a passionate young black man with a different point of view from the so called leaders. And you call that slinging garbage. It's obvious the current situation for far too many inner city youths is unacceptable. And with the future economic outlook for them bleak at best, things need to change. I think a young man like Charles R. Patrick has some valuable things to say that we just aren't hearing.

As I watched that video, it was if I was watching a father giving advice to his sons. Just like the common sense stuff my old man use to talk with me about.

The things Charles R. Patrick has to say certainly aren't garbage.

btw sarge…this is the Ferguson thread, not the Bengahzi thread. Try and stay focused.

 

[Popyuu]

sarge…..I post a video of a passionate young black man with a different point of view from the so called leaders. And you call that slinging garbage. It's obvious the current situation for far too many inner city youths is unacceptable. And with the future economic outlook for them bleak at best, things need to change. I think a young man like Charles R. Patrick has some valuable things to say that we just aren't hearing.

As I watched that video, it was if I was watching a father giving advice to his sons. Just like the common sense stuff my old man use to talk with me about.

The things Charles R. Patrick has to say certainly aren't garbage.

btw sarge…this is the Ferguson thread, not the Bengahzi thread. Try and stay focused.

Hmm sociology. Go read up on it.

 

[925638]

An interesting and refreshing take on things. Perhaps this is what Al Sharpton should be preaching during his Ferguson visits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpsQwl_19M4#t=41

I got a few seconds in and he said slavery was a long time ago and black people now probably don't know somebody, who knew somebody who was a slave.

I'm 35 years old. My great-great uncle died in the early 90's at the age of 99. It's easy to imagine he met someone who was a slave seeing as how he grew up in Mississippi.

Do I really need to break down the rest of this video? He started off pretty weak...

 

[tripod]

An interesting and refreshing take on things. Perhaps this is what Al Sharpton should be preaching during his Ferguson visits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpsQwl_19M4#t=41

I don't find anything controversial or sensational. This guy is just talking about simple solutions that can be enacted immediately.

It's tough love, and that doesn't normally appeal to me... but this guy has a point or several.

African Americans do not have any control over the existing power structure... hell, as a 41 year old white man... I don't have control over the existing power structure either. I vote, but my vote doesn't count.

The ONLY control I have is over myself and my actions.

The only control African Americans have over the existing power structure is the control they have over their own lives.

HIP HOP HAS DESTROYED THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY FROM WITHIN. "THUG CULTURE" IS REAL... WHTE AMERICA DIDN'T MAKE IT UP.

It's been a problem within the black community for YEARS!!!! Stagger-fucking-Lee is a song that glorifies solving problems through violence and that song is as old as dirt.

The people of Ferguson live in an authoritarian state... why is it that they don't know this? Why would ANYONE walk in the center of the street and mouth off to a cop that tells them to get on the sidewalk? Do they not realize that the cop has a gun and would gladly shoot them if given the opportunity?

Why give them the goddamn opportunity? Stealing cigars from a convenience store and then pushing the owner forcefully out of the way (assault) is normal approved behavior in the African American community?

I would NEVER address an officer of the law with anything other than "Sir", "Yes Sir" or No Sir"... cops are not here to serve and protect... they are here to enforce white supremacy. So why give them ammunition with which to take down the black community a notch?

Most of the black folk I have talked to this week have never even heard of Michael Brown... nobody gives a fuck about this kid but as a member of the political left, I am supposed to argue with my family over Thanksgiving and support this idiot Michael Brown?

Fuck Michael Brown... his cause is taking white America's opinion of black folk down another notch and creating racial tension where it shouldn't be.

All this killing did was encourage more Aryan Nation members (or just fans of white supremacy) to join police departments. Michael Brown's disrespect for authority has now made our country worse.

White supremacists cops WANT TO SHOOT black folk... black folk need to be making themselves smaller targets if they want to survive.

White America has always sought to destroy black people... it's institutions have always been vehemently opposed to the ascension of African Americans into the power structures. The ONLY choice for survival is for African Americans to become "smaller targets".

When you fight someone... you turn your body so that it is now a smaller target. Nobody faces someone head on in a fight... even Kimbo Slice angles his body. Walking in the middle of the street and being rude to an officer of the law after you just stole some cigars is the equivalent of facing someone straight on in a fight and making yourself the largest possible target.

Michael Brown is a fucking idiot and the protests have to stop now.

 

[Dakota Kid]

I got a few seconds in and he said slavery was a long time ago and black people now probably don't know somebody, who knew somebody who was a slave.

I'm 35 years old. My great-great uncle died in the early 90's at the age of 99. It's easy to imagine he met someone who was a slave seeing as how he grew up in Mississippi.

Do I really need to break down the rest of this video? He started off pretty weak...

So the problem you had with his 5 minute long speech was that you know someone that could have known someone that had been a slave? Umm…..nah…..don't bother breaking down the rest of the vid if that's what you thought was most important to bring up against it

 

[Boobalaa]

Michael Brown is a fucking idiot and the protests have to stop now.

:biggrin1::biggrin1:
Yup. I doubt his name will show up on the "Darwin Awards" tho..and he "was" or "wuz" a fucking idiot