Ferguson

[Popyuu]

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Yup. I doubt his name will show up on the "Darwin Awards" tho..and he "was" or "wuz" a fucking idiot

Hmm so doing something that you know could get you killed equates directly to being a fucking idiot? This isn't by my logic mind you but if....a black male should know better than to talk back to a cop because his likelihood of survival is extremely slim...and this is known and accepted as fact....then wouldn't that mean that others that knowingly place their lives on the line are stupid as well?

Yes, i tots ma goats just said that. Only because you guys said what you said. So lets check that logic there.

Brown is an idiot for putting his life on the line.

Yet, others aren't.

How is that possible? How is that fair? Oh wait we're working on a specific rule book of logic here. Extremely specific.

So let me say it again. If brown knew what could happen and did something anyway and ended up dead for it...annnddd no one should stand up for how it happened. Doesn't that mean the same should be said for a megafuckton of people that knowingly put themselves in harms way?

You guys suck at this whole fairness thing.

Oh and i forgot to tell you. If anyone tries to protest against anything and one of them catches a bullet to the head for any reason. I'll go ahead and apply you guyessess logic to the situation and call them an idiot. And that includes globally. Cause my point spans globally as well so if anyone out there loses their life when they knew that that was a possibility. I will come back and call them an idiot. And lets see exactly how many of you will flame me for it.

 

[Popyuu]

I don't find anything controversial or sensational. This guy is just talking about simple solutions that can be enacted immediately.

Michael Brown is a fucking idiot and the protests have to stop now.

So i'm curious. Lets for fucks sake say you are fully correct in everything you just said. What would happen if we were to replace the black community with another? Would it fit? Could the same be said globally? Do me a favor and replace the words in your post for gay males. Then for muslims. Then for democrats. See where i'm going with this? Then for occupy wallstreet. Then for native americans. After you're done ask yourself why revolution isn't possible. And you'll have your answer.

 

[tripod]

Hmm so doing something that you know could get you killed equates directly to being a fucking idiot? This isn't by my logic mind you but if....a black male should know better than to talk back to a cop because his likelihood of survival is extremely slim...and this is known and accepted as fact....then wouldn't that mean that others that knowingly place their lives on the line are stupid as well?

Yes, i tots ma goats just said that. Only because you guys said what you said. So lets check that logic there.

Brown is an idiot for putting his life on the line.

Yet, others aren't.

Are we talking about "others"? Who the fuck are the "others"? I'm supposed to comment on hypothetical others when I am wading in on a specific topic about one person?

Yes, if someone else who is not Michael Brown shoplifts, assaults the worker at the place where he shoplifted, walks in the middle of the street and then is rude to a police officer when told to get on the sidewalk all in one day... he is a fucking idiot no matter his age, race, sex, creed or affiliation.

His parents did a terrible job raising a young man who would spend his days shoplifting, assaulting, walking in the middle of the street and mouthing off to police officers.

Nobody should ever talk back to anyone... we should live in a civil society where everyone respects everyone. Kids shouldn't rob and steal.

For every 1,000 black men that is suspected for shoplifting and followed by security around a store, you have a Michael Brown that has flagrant disregard for the law.

White people get to shoplift, assault store employees, walk in the middle of the street and be rude to cops with impunity... they don't get the hammer like black folk do. That is WRONG as hell but it's the result of a calcified system with levels upon levels of complexity that we all currently operate from within.

It's the wrong cause to get behind... Michael Brown is no martyr.

 

[Boobalaa]

Read my post above Popyuu about my experience...and that was during the loosely-goody 1970s.. Hey dude, the guy didn't put his life on the line. He fucked up..dang man, if ya want look up freedom summer and civil rights marches on you tube if ya wanna talk about people puttin their lives on the line

 

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sarge…

btw sarge…this is the Ferguson thread, not the Bengahzi thread. Try and stay focused.

Skippy that's how the game is played according to your rules. But I don't follow your rules. When you climb up bullshit mountain it's tough to climb back down instead you just hop over to another turd. Since you clearly lack the cojones to go back to your own bullshit thread it's clear we need to bring it up here. The focus will remain on your bullshit.

 

[Popyuu]

Are we talking about "others"? Who the fuck are the "others"? I'm supposed to comment on hypothetical others when I am wading in on a specific topic about one person?

Yes, if someone else who is not Michael Brown shoplifts, assaults the worker at the place where he shoplifted, walks in the middle of the street and then is rude to a police officer when told to get on the sidewalk all in one day... he is a fucking idiot no matter his age, race, sex, creed or affiliation.

His parents did a terrible job raising a young man who would spend his days shoplifting, assaulting, walking in the middle of the street and mouthing off to police officers.

Nobody should ever talk back to anyone... we should live in a civil society where everyone respects everyone. Kids shouldn't rob and steal.

For every 1,000 black men that is suspected for shoplifting and followed by security around a store, you have a Michael Brown that has flagrant disregard for the law.

White people get to shoplift, assault store employees, walk in the middle of the street and be rude to cops with impunity... they don't get the hammer like black folk do. That is WRONG as hell but it's the result of a calcified system with levels upon levels of complexity that we all currently operate from within.

It's the wrong cause to get behind... Michael Brown is no martyr.

No one said he was a martyr. What i am saying. And if you and others need me to talk slowly i will. He...was....a.....human....being. Humans fuck shit up. Humans act like assholes. Humans even talk back to cops (if thats actually how it happened cause at this point with the new information coming out about everything as a whole....i'm beginning to deeply doubt even that happened the way it was presented).

You understood part of what i was saying. Now understand the other parts. HE...did...not....deserve.....to....die....for....it....for...the.....love...of fucking......muffins. It's bad enough people are bad mouthing someone no longer in possession of life but then people have the balls to hint that he knew what he was getting into as if black male murder by cop is something that is ok. Of course it's wrong. Yes i know you said it was wrong but the added stuff you said goes like this contradicts that statement.

Cause how many white males have raped/molested people but no one is all like "He's a bad guy cause it makes white males blah blah blah" cause no one has to say it. Cause there is no "white males behaving badly" it does not exist...no matter how many people are raped, murdered, or anything else by them. I'm not saying there should be, hell i'm saying it shouldn't be. What i'm also saying is that, racism and bigotry is so deep seated that you personally don't even realize you just went forward with stereotypes that have been used for ages.

Tell me after the last mass murder by a white male did police then start tell white males to get out of the fucking street? No. The fact that a large light has been placed on the actions/behavior of the black community and damn near complete darkness on the white communities actions is in and of itself...racially motivated. If only accidentally for most and purposefully for some.

Seriously, would you call a veteran stupid for going to fight in a war he knew he could die from? Would you say the same about a cop working in gang territory? What i am doing is criticizing people's inability to actually be generally critical. The black community gets criticized for things damn near no other race gets criticized for....and on a regular basis. Ok thats not fully true. People will criticize muslim religion as a whole with no regard for how doing so will effect those in that religionsessess life among other muslims and religions.

My point is, the second you leave this topic and try to stand up for something else it will be the second i laugh when those against do the exact same thing to that topic that you've done with this one. Cause of course a lady talking about stuffs is a whore and of course it matters to what she's saying. And of course we shouldn't hold bush to the same criticism as obama.

No one on this planet is all good but at the same time...not all bad. And for fuckingly sure don't deserve to die because they got flippant. Come on son, thats not classy. Not one bit.

And i really do love how you feel its totally ok to talk about how his parents raised him. I'll be sure to say the same the next time a white male shooter lays waste to some children.

 

[tripod]

My criticism of Michael Brown runs parallel to my thoughts that the cop is a racist murderer.

So i'm curious. Lets for fucks sake say you are fully correct in everything you just said. What would happen if we were to replace the black community with another? Would it fit? Could the same be said globally? Do me a favor and replace the words in your post for gay males. Then for muslims. Then for democrats. See where i'm going with this? Then for occupy wallstreet. Then for native americans. After you're done ask yourself why revolution isn't possible. And you'll have your answer.

This all seems sensible to me.

The problem with revolution is that the white supremacists own the majority of the guns in this country. Gays by and large have no guns, muslims don't own guns... the guns are owned by the Darren Wilsons and George Zimmermans of the world.

Revolution is possible but it will be the white supremacists who will use violence to get their way the Democrats and all of their leftist allies have No firepower... they wouldn't last very long in an armed revolution where the majority of the ammo is stockpiled by angry white men.

I'm certainly not interested in pushing the white supremacists to use violence and watch my mouth around authority figures that represent the white power nation we live in. They would shoot me in a second and have more contempt for ni**er lovers than black folk any day of the week.

Michael Brown just had too much hubris to realize how dangerous a world we live in and how much racism there is within power structures like the police departments of America. If he realized this, he would have had a much different day... sadly, his parents will be grieving for the rest of their lives. Humans never really get over losing one of their children.

Weren't black families supposed to have "the talk" about police violence with their children? Were they a family of cigar stealers and shop owner shovers? Did they teach their son to be rude to police officers? Where is the personal responsibility in all of this? Apparently they never had "the talk" with their son or he'd be alive today... or did they have "the talk" with him and he ignored them?

 

[tripod]

HE...did...not....deserve.....to....die....for....it....for...the.....love...of fucking......muffins.

Well, where did I say that he did? Of course he didn't deserve to die! Wilson shouldn't have laid a hand on him especially since he had no knowledge of the shoplifting incident (I think he lied about hearing it on the radio but I can't be sure).

It's bad enough people are bad mouthing someone no longer in possession of life but then people have the balls to hint that he knew what he was getting into as if black male murder by cop is something that is ok. Of course it's wrong. Yes i know you said it was wrong but the added stuff you said goes like this contradicts that statement.

I'm not sure you understand what I am trying to say.

Just because one knows that white cops get off on shooting black men... does not mean that they agree with the notion of shooting black men.

Awareness does not equal acceptance.

I have a daughter, I don't have a son... but if I did, I would tell him to watch out for the police and NOT to commit petty crimes like shoplifting. He would be told to assume that every cop he meets would like to put a bullet in his head if given the chance and act accordingly.

I'm just riffing on calling out Michael Brown (and his parents) from a common sense perspective.

I was a bouncer in a bar for several years... avoiding physical violence is easier then most people think. It requires courtesy and respect (even for people who do not deserve it). Darren Wilson might not have deserved any of Brown's respect... but he'd Goddamn be alive today if he had given it to him.

 

[Popyuu]

Well, where did I say that he did? Of course he didn't deserve to die! Wilson shouldn't have laid a hand on him especially since he had no knowledge of the shoplifting incident (I think he lied about hearing it on the radio but I can't be sure).



I'm not sure you understand what I am trying to say.

Just because one knows that white cops get off on shooting black men... does not mean that they agree with the notion of shooting black men.

Awareness does not equal acceptance.

I have a daughter, I don't have a son... but if I did, I would tell him to watch out for the police and NOT to commit petty crimes like shoplifting. He would be told to assume that every cop he meets would like to put a bullet in his head if given the chance and act accordingly.

I'm just riffing on calling out Michael Brown (and his parents) from a common sense perspective.

I was a bouncer in a bar for several years... avoiding physical violence is easier then most people think. It requires courtesy and respect (even for people who do not deserve it). Darren Wilson might not have deserved any of Brown's respect... but he'd Goddamn be alive today if he had given it to him.

I'm not too sure you're understanding me either.

Let me ask you a few questions. Do you think the parents of mass school shooting murders raise their sons to do the things they've done? Do you think that they should shoulder the blame for their sons actions?

Should i be able to call cops idiots for putting themselves in the way of danger for any reason?

I don't know if we could say he would be alive today cause that would imply that his action of talking back caused the situation to happen in the first place. Meaning it was ultimately his fault. I wrote more to the other reply but i'm curious what you'll say to this so far.

 

[Popyuu]

Read my post above Popyuu about my experience...and that was during the loosely-goody 1970s.. Hey dude, the guy didn't put his life on the line. He fucked up..dang man, if ya want look up freedom summer and civil rights marches on you tube if ya wanna talk about people puttin their lives on the line

Yeah tripod put it in a very specific way and at this point i really don't want to have to repeat myself.

 

[Popyuu]

My criticism of Michael Brown runs parallel to my thoughts that the cop is a racist murderer.



This all seems sensible to me.

The problem with revolution is that the white supremacists own the majority of the guns in this country. Gays by and large have no guns, muslims don't own guns... the guns are owned by the Darren Wilsons and George Zimmermans of the world.

Revolution is possible but it will be the white supremacists who will use violence to get their way the Democrats and all of their leftist allies have No firepower... they wouldn't last very long in an armed revolution where the majority of the ammo is stockpiled by angry white men.

I'm certainly not interested in pushing the white supremacists to use violence and watch my mouth around authority figures that represent the white power nation we live in. They would shoot me in a second and have more contempt for ni**er lovers than black folk any day of the week.

Michael Brown just had too much hubris to realize how dangerous a world we live in and how much racism there is within power structures like the police departments of America. If he realized this, he would have had a much different day... sadly, his parents will be grieving for the rest of their lives. Humans never really get over losing one of their children.

Weren't black families supposed to have "the talk" about police violence with their children? Were they a family of cigar stealers and shop owner shovers? Did they teach their son to be rude to police officers? Where is the personal responsibility in all of this? Apparently they never had "the talk" with their son or he'd be alive today... or did they have "the talk" with him and he ignored them?

Ok took me a while to figure you out. Ha i got it now though. And you'll follow the exact same path as him. Holy shit. I developed new radar for you guys. :biggrin1:

 

[tripod]

I'm not too sure you're understanding me either.

I understand you just fine.

Let me ask you a few questions. Do you think the parents of mass school shooting murders raise their sons to do the things they've done? Do you think that they should shoulder the blame for their sons actions?

People don't exist in vacuums. All we are is the result of our experiences... parents or caregivers matter. Role models are vitally important.

Shoulder the blame? They are responsible for the choices they make in life just as any of us are.

Should i be able to call cops idiots for putting themselves in the way of danger for any reason?

That's a poor analogy and I won't dignify it with a response.

I don't know if we could say he would be alive today cause that would imply that his action of talking back caused the situation to happen in the first place. Meaning it was ultimately his fault.

Ultimately his fault? Brown is only responsible for his actions, not the actions of Darren Wilson. Wilson sounded like an unhinged cop looking for an excuse to shoot a black teenager and get away with it. Brown should have sensed this.

Part of a police officer's job description involves shooting bad guys, that is their job. It's not about blaming the victim, it's about recognizing the fact that sometimes horrible people make it on the police force and we should all be careful around these ticking time bombs.

I'm not talking about a woman wearing a short skirt, getting raped and murdered with me saying... "you shouldn't have worn that skirt, you might still be alive today". Rapists are not professionals we pay with tax dollars to provide a service to the community, they are predators plain and simple.

But would Brown still be alive today if he didn't mouth off? Yes, it's just a painful reality that you can sometimes avoid violence with the right speech.

 

[Popyuu]

I understand you just fine.



People don't exist in vacuums. All we are is the result of our experiences... parents or caregivers matter. Role models are vitally important.

Shoulder the blame? They are responsible for the choices they make in life just as any of us are.



That's a poor analogy and I won't dignify it with a response.



Ultimately his fault? Brown is only responsible for his actions, not the actions of Darren Wilson. Wilson sounded like an unhinged cop looking for an excuse to shoot a black teenager and get away with it. Brown should have sensed this.

Part of a police officer's job description involves shooting bad guys, that is their job. It's not about blaming the victim, it's about recognizing the fact that sometimes horrible people make it on the police force and we should all be careful around these ticking time bombs.

I'm not talking about a woman wearing a short skirt, getting raped and murdered with me saying... "you shouldn't have worn that skirt, you might still be alive today". Rapists are not professionals we pay with tax dollars to provide a service to the community, they are predators plain and simple.

But would Brown still be alive today if he didn't mouth off? Yes, it's just a painful reality that you can sometimes avoid violence with the right speech.

Well yes a massa! I guess i sholda watch ed ma mouth massa! Please don't put me back in the box massa. I'll be good.

Yeah, took a while but i figured you out. Had me for a second there too. Honestly thought you wanted to talk about things. Well good luck spewing your bullshit.

 

[b.c.]

There seems to me to be a tendency on the part of some to shift blame for incidents such as Michael Brown's murder, or that of Trayvon Martin's, so that the victim somehow becomes the perpetrator of his own demise. Then they latch onto videos and statements of whatever black person who seems to support that view.

No one said Brown was a hero, or a saint. And while it is true that Michael Brown made a number of wrong choices the day he was ultimately shot down in the street, none of that (imo) is worth a DAMN in light of what choices trained officers of the law make, or better still, SHOULD make, especially KNOWING that, in their line of work, they're going to meet ordinary people who MAY make some wrong choices.

It's not enough to say black people need make better choices.

BLACK people aren't the only ones making poor "choices", (contrary to popular opinion). And sometimes we die even when making the RIGHT ones.

MY problem is not so much what choices people make, but the choices "law enforcement" makes in DEALING with people... particularly black people.

So until I start reading of NON-BLACK people getting told to "get the fuck out the street",

or getting their eye shot out while sitting in their own vehicle (a wrong choice?),

or getting shot dead for choosing to OBEY a cop, by reaching into a car for identification,

or for CHOOSING to enter a dark stairwell in his OWN f*ing building,

or for CHOOSING to play with an air rifle in a department store or on a playground only to have cops ride up on them and SHOOT THEM DEAD...

... until then, they can stick all arguments about how black folks are always making the wrong "choices", right up their a***.

 

[Popyuu]

There seems to me to be a tendency on the part of some to shift blame for incidents such as Michael Brown's murder, or that of Trayvon Martin's, so that the victim somehow becomes the perpetrator of his own demise. Then they latch onto videos and statements of whatever black person who seems to support that view.

No one said Brown was a hero, or a saint. And while it is true that Michael Brown made a number of wrong choices the day he was ultimately shot down in the street, none of that (imo) is worth a DAMN in light of what choices trained officers of the law make, or better still, SHOULD make, especially KNOWING that, in their line of work, they're going to meet ordinary people who MAY make some wrong choices.

It's not enough to say black people need make better choices.

BLACK people aren't the only ones making poor "choices", (contrary to popular opinion). And sometimes we die even when making the RIGHT ones.

MY problem is not so much what choices people make, but the choices "law enforcement" makes in DEALING with people... particularly black people.

So until I start reading of NON-BLACK people getting told to "get the fuck out the street",

or getting their eye shot out while sitting in their own vehicle (a wrong choice?),

or getting shot dead for choosing to OBEY a cop, by reaching into a car for identification,

or for CHOOSING to enter a dark stairwell in his OWN f*ing building,

or for CHOOSING to play with an air rifle in a department store or on a playground only to have cops ride up on them and SHOOT THEM DEAD...

... until then, they can stick all arguments about how black folks are always making the wrong "choices", right up their a***.

Yeah i actually tried talking. Guess it's time to tell'm to suck a dick. Preferably a big black one.

 

[tripod]

Well yes a massa! I guess i sholda watch ed ma mouth massa! Please don't put me back in the box massa. I'll be good.

Yeah, took a while but i figured you out. Had me for a second there too. Honestly thought you wanted to talk about things. Well good luck spewing your bullshit.

I think you simply lack intelligence... your cognitive skills are lacking as well. This leads you to erroneously simplify abstract and complex thoughts down to their lowest (and incorrect denominator).

I think that's why you are acting like a horse's ass... but that's giving you the benefit of the doubt.

You somehow think I am a racist and you couldn't be more off the mark.

Do you think slinging the charges of racism at another person somehow makes you seem less racist? You honestly took a post or two I wrote about Michael Brown as proof that I am a racist?

Oh that's right... you lack cognitive skills and simplify complex thought patterns down to a size you can wrap your little head around.

Calling other people racist doesn't elevate you to a position of enlightenment... it makes you look like a reactionary mud slinger incapable of rational debate.

There seems to me to be a tendency on the part of some to shift blame for incidents such as Michael Brown's murder, or that of Trayvon Martin's, so that the victim somehow becomes the perpetrator of his own demise. Then they latch onto videos and statements of whatever black person who seems to support that view.

Trayvon Martin's murder and Michael Brown's murder are two completely different situations with differing circumstances.

Michael Brown made a series of dumb mistakes and to my knowledge, Trayvon didn't make any. So how are they related?

No one said Brown was a hero, or a saint.

I used the correct term of martyr, not hero or saint.

And while it is true that Michael Brown made a number of wrong choices the day he was ultimately shot down in the street, none of that (imo) is worth a DAMN in light of what choices trained officers of the law make, or better still, SHOULD make, especially KNOWING that, in their line of work, they're going to meet ordinary people who MAY make some wrong choices.

I think we all should be assuming that the Aryan Nation, KKK and white power groups have infiltrated police departments around the country. You never know when you are going to run into one of them... they will not hesitate to fire with deadly force at the slightest provocation. I assume every white cop I meet is a white supremacist or at the very least, an equal opportunity authoritarian who likes to crack skulls.

BLACK people aren't the only ones making poor "choices", (contrary to popular opinion). And sometimes we die even when making the RIGHT ones.

MY problem is not so much what choices people make, but the choices "law enforcement" makes in DEALING with people... particularly black people.

Yes, I agree but what control do you or I have over law enforcement and how it is applied? The only control you or I have is the control over our own actions. you can run around saying you wanna change this or that about law enforcement but the ugly truth is that America has NEVER been able to reign in the violence used by it's members of law enforcement... do you know why? It's because the average American is more than a little authoritarian themselves. They like police forces that respond with too much violence... it's why nothing has ever changed in how violent American police are in the history of this nation. All we can ever do is enact laws that they have to obey and they will do whatever they can to get around those laws as well.

So until I start reading of NON-BLACK people getting told to "get the fuck out the street"

It will never happen because the only people I've ever seen walk in the middle of the street were young black men. Most people actually enjoy using the sidewalk and would rather NOT walk in the street. Who would want to walk in the middle of the goddamn street

or getting their eye shot out while sitting in their own vehicle (a wrong choice?),

or getting shot dead for choosing to OBEY a cop, by reaching into a car for identification,

or for CHOOSING to enter a dark stairwell in his OWN f*ing building,

or for CHOOSING to play with an air rifle in a department store or on a playground only to have cops ride up on them and SHOOT THEM DEAD...

Those extenuating circumstances of each one of those situations were different from Michael Brown's murder. Each one of those murders would have been a much greater cause for protest than Brown's homicide.

 

[Popyuu]

I think you simply lack intelligence... your cognitive skills are lacking as well. This leads you to erroneously simplify abstract and complex thoughts down to their lowest (and incorrect denominator).
Those extenuating circumstances of each one of those situations were different from Michael Brown's murder. Each one of those murders would have been a much greater cause for protest than Brown's homicide.

Right whatever you say massa. Guess i really shouldn't open my mouth toward the superior white race. Oh and you can eat a dick. Preferably a large black one.

Oh and good luck with that revolution and that race war.

 

[tripod]

Right whatever you say massa. Guess i really shouldn't open my mouth toward the superior white race. Oh and you can eat a dick. Preferably a large black one.

Oh and good luck with that revolution and that race war.

You obviously have the intellect of a child... a nasty offensive one at that.

I didn't type one fucking racist thing but you jump up and down and call me a racist using vile plantation talk while you are doing so... nice.

 

[Bardox]

So the debate has been reduced to "eat a dick" and race wars... gotta love politics.:439: New question. How much can this conversation devolve until the thread is locked and people get banned?

 

[b.c.]

I think you simply lack intelligence... your cognitive skills are lacking as well. This leads you to erroneously simplify abstract and complex thoughts down to their lowest (and incorrect denominator).

I think that's why you are acting like a horse's ass... but that's giving you the benefit of the doubt.

You somehow think I am a racist and you couldn't be more off the mark.

Do you think slinging the charges of racism at another person somehow makes you seem less racist? You honestly took a post or two I wrote about Michael Brown as proof that I am a racist?

Oh that's right... you lack cognitive skills and simplify complex thought patterns down to a size you can wrap your little head around.

Calling other people racist doesn't elevate you to a position of enlightenment... it makes you look like a reactionary mud slinger incapable of rational debate.

Trayvon Martin's murder and Michael Brown's murder are two completely different situations with differing circumstances.

Michael Brown made a series of dumb mistakes and to my knowledge, Trayvon didn't make any. So how are they related?

How? They're both DEAD. Through highly questionable circumstances, neither of which needed nor should've occurred.

I used the correct term of martyr, not hero or saint.

I would not call him that either. I'd call him victim of his own failure to truly grasp that his actions would result in his death or the willingness of this cop to KILL HIM.

I'd also call him victim of a cop who, as you suggested, (and as he indicated in his own "testimony") went into a community with the expectation of trouble and attitude to boot - and therefore, predisposed to respond with deadly force at the slightest provocation.

The same kind of predisposition that causes some cops to shoot in a dark stairwell, or kill someone in a Walmart playing with an air rifle without warning.

I think we all should be assuming that the Aryan Nation, KKK and white power groups have infiltrated police departments around the country. You never know when you are going to run into one of them... they will not hesitate to fire with deadly force at the slightest provocation. I assume every white cop I meet is a white supremacist or at the very least, an equal opportunity authoritarian who likes to crack skulls.

That may very well be so. But even though I may have greater cause to, I do not assume the above of every white cop. On cracking skulls and firing without provocation, however, there unfortunately are a few black cops too, who fit that bill.

Yes, I agree but what control do you or I have over law enforcement and how it is applied? The only control you or I have is the control over our own actions. you can run around saying you wanna change this or that about law enforcement but the ugly truth is that America has NEVER been able to reign in the violence used by it's members of law enforcement... do you know why? It's because the average American is more than a little authoritarian themselves. They like police forces that respond with too much violence... it's why nothing has ever changed in how violent American police are in the history of this nation. All we can ever do is enact laws that they have to obey and they will do whatever they can to get around those laws as well.

The same argument that "it will never change" may at one time been said about other things that have changed. The way such change is brought about is by making failure to change more unthinkable than HAVING to change.

And so you enact more laws and change the process by which they are able to get around them. You change the makeup of the courts, the police force, and those who make the laws. But it all begins by making it an issue that won't go away.

YOUR option, however, sounds more like that other person who said of N.Y. stop and frisk laws, "They should cooperate more". Maybe slaves could've cooperated more too, eh? All that senseless running away and such.

It will never happen because the only people I've ever seen walk in the middle of the street were young black men. Most people actually enjoy using the sidewalk and would rather NOT walk in the street. Who would want to walk in the middle of the goddamn street

That's true. And sometimes people, in a more cohesive neighborhood with a less formal setting (ie. not a lot of heavy traffic and such) not only WALK in the street, but PLAY there too. Sometimes they drift longways from one side heading to the other.

What would Wilson have known of such? They told him so, but he didn't like being talked back to. Almost ran them over throwing his vehicle into reverse.

Knowing the neighborhood as he CLAIMS he did, was his manner of confronting them and subsequent reaction REALLY called for??

Those extenuating circumstances of each one of those situations were different from Michael Brown's murder. Each one of those murders would have been a much greater cause for protest than Brown's homicide.

With all the same result: someone's husband, father, brother, son, friend... DEAD and gone, for NO f****** JUSTIFIABLE reason.

But I guess black folk just need to COOPERATE more, and ALL of that will change.