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Get rid of the electoral college system first...the timing is right.
Filibuster Reform
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Get rid of the electoral college system first...the timing is right.
I think you (and they) are quibbling over process and minutiae. It is an excuse for getting nothing done, and a distraction from the overriding problem that Congress is dysfunctional. Let's focus on fixing that. Then maybe the filibuster falls back to its proper historical position, as an option to be employed in only the most extreme circumstances and on the most divisive issues.
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The timing would have been even better in 2000. Guess who didn't win the popular vote? Though it's likely the Supremes would have figured a way to finesse Shrub II's ascendancy anyway.
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Considering that 4 of the 5 most-populous states are blue, you should be careful what you wish for. If they formed a coalition, they'd run the show.
The United States is unique because the States are not simply provinces or departments. They are literally states who have come together to provide for a central government to regulate interstate commerce, foreign policy, and defense. Getting rid of the electoral college would reduce them to the level of mere provinces.
Well, IF we were to institute a popular vote for President, I would suggest we require a 50%+1 majority for election. Perhaps have a first round for all parties, and if no candidate gets 50%+1, the top two vote-getters go onto a second round. Or, have a prferential voting system. As in, voters choose a first choice, and then a second choice, and a third choice. I would NOT agree to a system where it would be possible for a President to get elected with 40% or less.
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We don't need to get rid of the electoral college. We need to make it so that each state is equal in voting power.
Each state, if I were to change it, would only have 2 electoral votes (which can't be split). Whomever won the popular vote gets those electoral votes. Each state (except Hawaii) would get 2 votes each with Hawaii getting 3. The reason for this is that there has to be an odd number so that the votes aren't split 50/50.
If a new state came into being (the 51st state) than Hawaii would get 2 votes and the new state would get 3.
Simple, elegant and everyone can understand it.
Sklar
Each state, if I were to change it, would only have 2 electoral votes (which can't be split). Whomever won the popular vote gets those electoral votes. Each state (except Hawaii) would get 2 votes each with Hawaii getting 3. The reason for this is that there has to be an odd number so that the votes aren't split 50/50.
If a new state came into being (the 51st state) than Hawaii would get 2 votes and the new state would get 3.
Simple, elegant and everyone can understand it.
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Nice idea, but I would suggest that our American Territories, collectively, get the "one point" vote. Since they're administered by the U.S. government, we might as well let them be part of the process if even just a bit.
D_Tintagel_Demondong
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Nah. Just get rid of one state. I always thought that Kentucky was extraneous.
In Canada, each province has a predetermined number of ridings. When Canucks vote, they are voting for the leaders of their riding. These are tallied, and the party who wins the most number of ridings wins the Federal election. Ridings also determine parliamentary seats (one per riding), so the official opposition and other parties are determined by who wins which riding.
Somewhat like the Electoral College, smaller provinces are given a disproportionately higher number of ridings in an effort to give them more representation.
It works for us.
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Hey! F*** you!!
If there's any state that needs to go, its Cali. [no offense, Face. You can move to St. Bart's]
D_Tintagel_Demondong
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...the land of horseracing, best college basketball in the nation, and Mitch McConnell
I like Kentucky. Lax to zero required car inspection, good gun law, you can still buy ephedrine... and Ale-8 of course.
