Finally, a Church Teaching Sexual Needs

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  1. B_RoysToy

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    The new literature for a 9-12 year olds church school class is appropriate, informative and 'right-on'! First Presbyterian Church, Memphis, TN, has begun teaching 9-12 year olds the facts of sexuality which generally were learned from other same age guys, whether right or wrong. The only requirements are one of each student's parents has to be present during classes. The two teachers are one of each sex.

    Scanning through the literature, I was interested in the frontal pictures of nude females and males of both sexes. Five of each sex is inclusive with the diversity of the world's human races.

    There is little difference in the flaccid size of four of the five male penes, but the Negro's is longer than those of the Caucasians, including orientals. This is true to studies which have found that the average Negro flaccid penis is a bit (half an inch or less) longer than the Caucasian. The literature states that penis size makes no difference in function.

    I chose to contest this with one of the teachers, pointing out that the average penis size made little difference, but extremely small, as well as extremely large, made a lot of difference. I think this should be pointed out in teaching and could tell that the teacher is considering my suggestion.

    I consider the correct teaching of human sexual information to be of profound importance to this age group and think it's long overdue in our churches. Any comments, suggestions from fellow LPSG members?
     
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    This sounds interesting but I can't really comment on the literature without reading it. Luke, going into size with teens would be a hard one. Even at my size, I thought I was too small. Imagine the poor kid who is actually below average. I don't have any right answers for that. I worked with teens in my former profession and I know exactly what they'll latch onto. If you start with size, they'll guffaw about it for the next year.

    From what you describe, this is a good step in the right direction from "just say no".
     
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    Very true, Sorc -- love the way your superior knowledge and experience shines through in your post. Since the material has taken the position that size doesn't matter, perhaps you are right, but I just can't get away from the belief that truth should be put out there for them as we know it. For a bit more explicit information, i.e., what is considered average, etc., that could be left up to the parent to explain in private, even if there's only a female parent for the child.

    I'm hoping the serious discussion of all these details will counteract some of the tendencies to 'guffaw'. Don't you think this reaction is partly due to the way the subject has always been hidden and treated as a 'no-no'? Thanks for you input.
     
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    Maybe it was just me but as a teen, I obsessively sought out penis statistics and I measured and measured and measured! Once I figured out what "average" was with a crude paper mache' model, I couldn't believe average was actually that small (compared to mine) so I refused to believe it and searched more and more. It wasn't until a real slut told me I had a big dick that I started to believe it. My point is, I don't know if teens will absorb size stats although I found them much more advanced than we were "back in my day". FYI, my teens were inpatient drug addicts so they were generally more sexually active than their peers. I think if I was going to approach the size issue (and I wouldn't with the younger kids), I'd break them up into very small groups. Remember, it's the touchiest subject with many guys.

    I'm still to the wall on this one. Still, who wants to leave out the huge dicked kid who thinks he's a freak? I don't know about the other extreme, honestly I don't know what I'd tell him. As far as the girls...I defer that one to one of our Alpha Females here.

    Oh and the snickering...kids will be kids. There's not a damn thing you can do about it. The more serious you are, the harder they'll laugh. Dicks and pussies are funny. Asses are funny and farts are HILARIOUS!!!!
     
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    Damn straight! Don't see the whole idea of introducing "size issues" at a young age though. Meh, probably something worth seeing anyway before judging.
     
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    My church started doing this for the freshmen class when I was a senior. They dragged us all in to "catch up" I guess...

    What a waste! They had the perfect opportunity to teach birth control and STD prevention, but it was just the usual "If you get married first, you won't get THIS or THIS or worse yet, THIS. If you even look at a woman before you get married, your dick will dry up and fall off."

    As far as the size thing, you need to make sure they stress that "It will grow. A lot. Probably even in to your 20's." and then give the average size.
     
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    ROTFLMMFAO!!!!
     
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    And I still live by those words... I haven't looked at a woman "like that" and my dick is still firmly attached.
     
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    I've said it before... he calls me Princess when we're alone!!
     
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    Logical fallacy of affirming the consequent! :p

    It's nice to see that the church might be doing something right, but I think the size issue is probably something you wouldn't want to bring up in this setting. I would say the parents should talk to the kids about it in private - not because I'm prudish, but because kids are vicious. However, I think it may be important that the teachers tell the parents that they should talk to their kids about that one because otherwise it's unlikely to happen.
     
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    I hope someone tells the kids what average is... Until I actually looked it up on the internet, I really thought I was below average. (too much porn) It caused me a lot of unnecessary embarrassment in school.
     
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    I'm repeating the above because of its importance and just in case it was over looked. Hopefully, this, along with beginning on a much lower level, will eliminate the situation that Chuck64 encountered with his church's "draggin" them in to "catch up". It's good to see that many of you do agree that the parents would be the ones to further the information re. size.

    Sexual orientation is also explained by teaching that God has given us the natural ability to love, most of us for the opposite sex, but some of us for the same sex and that both loves are natural to the individual. This material is alternate and not all Presbyterian churches have selected to use it. The national body has not yet approved gay marriage, but surely this is a step in that direction. Don't you think?
     
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    Oh. OK. It sounds like they're being smart about it.

    As far as the homosexuality-related material, it's wonderful. The Lutheran church (just the Americans, not world-wide) already voted down our marriage rights in late August '05, so it's not going to come up for a vote for at least another 10 years.
     
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    Heh heh.
     
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