Finn jones

[Hephaestion47]

If we put the physical and martial stuff aside, the show's #1 problem was its showrunner who also made the garbage Inhumans show. A better showrunner could've made slightly better show even if Finn wasn't as prepared as he should've been

He also ran the last season(s) of Dexter (before they brought it back a few years ago) and presided over one of the worst endings to a great show.

He screwed up IF and Inhumans so bad that he hasn't worked since 2017.

 

[Jason GayLight]

He screwed up IF and Inhumans so bad that he hasn't worked since 2017.

Good. No show deserves to be fucked up like that

 

[Kizzo2002]

Honestly all they needed to do was keep the mask so a stuntman could handle the bulk of the action. The show got pretty shafted from the start by the bulk of its budget going towards Punisher instead. Finn would have been fine for Danny in general - especially if they had kept him more as the light character he was in the comics. Hell, that's why his guest role on Luke Cage worked so well.

Edited to add that beyond budgetary issues Iron Fist was pretty doomed from the start since the Tumblr crowd hated it the second it was clear they were casting it true to comics rather than changing the race of Danny. The hate was so great it drove Finn off all social media save Instagram, and he was even off that for a while. I can imagine that would impact enthusiasm for the role a bit, too.

Anything that involves video games, books, and comics adaptations will always be toxic when it comes to casting. Look what they did to poor Haile Bailey when she was casted as Ariel. 30+ year old white men going crazy over a movie aimed at children. Luckily she had a strong backbone and pulled through. So, he should never let these things get to him. But these folks posting on social media and Youtube are the most vile human beings on Earth. Youtube is now the worst with their terrible thumbnails.

For Iron Fist. It was doomed from the start. They had an awful showrunner. Scott Buck is one of the worst producers in Hollywood. He made some very questionable decisions on creative and the overall direction of the show. With a different showrunner. Finn Jones may have come off much better. I thought when he was first cast. It was a good idea. To me he looked the part. I would loved to see him in the role with a different creative team in place.

 

[Shadowball]

Sorry, Tumblr was right here. Having Danny being Asian would have been the right call. They seriously considered hiring Lewis Tan apparently before notoriously racist then-Marvel CEO Ike Perlmutter stepped in and refused to have an Asian lead of his show. Asian actors from Daredevil have talked publically about the racist behavior of then-Marvel TV President Jeph Loeb.

Certainly Scott Buck was a big part of the problem. Can't deny it. Nothing makes this more obvious then how much better Jones' Danny came off in his guest appearence in Luke Cage. But if they had cast Lewis Tan, everybody's career would be in a better place: the show would have been better, Tan's career would be better for it, and I honestly believe that Jones' career would be better for it, too. Jones had a lot of heat coming off of a well-liked role on Game of Thrones and the creative failure of Iron Fist caused every bit of it to evaporate. In a world where Tan was Danny Rand, I think that Jones' heat from GoT gets him some other job that he is better suited for around the same time that Iron Fist happpend, and things go better for him from there.

 

[Jason GayLight]

Finn Jones in Swimming with Sharks

 

[Kizzo2002]

Sorry, Tumblr was right here. Having Danny being Asian would have been the right call. They seriously considered hiring Lewis Tan apparently before notoriously racist then-Marvel CEO Ike Perlmutter stepped in and refused to have an Asian lead of his show. Asian actors from Daredevil have talked publically about the racist behavior of then-Marvel TV President Jeph Loeb.

Certainly Scott Buck was a big part of the problem. Can't deny it. Nothing makes this more obvious then how much better Jones' Danny came off in his guest appearence in Luke Cage. But if they had cast Lewis Tan, everybody's career would be in a better place: the show would have been better, Tan's career would be better for it, and I honestly believe that Jones' career would be better for it, too. Jones had a lot of heat coming off of a well-liked role on Game of Thrones and the creative failure of Iron Fist caused every bit of it to evaporate. In a world where Tan was Danny Rand, I think that Jones' heat from GoT gets him some other job that he is better suited for around the same time that Iron Fist happpend, and things go better for him from there.

Some good points. Ike is a terrible human being. I'm glad Bob Iger did the political maneuvering to get him out of the decision making process for Marvel content. Nothing but horror stories from those that have worked with him.

On the Finn Jones casting. He was coming off of GoT so he had a little bit more name recognition than Tan, who I have never heard of until now. So if you want to cast a hot guy in the role, coming off one of the biggest TV shows in history. Outside of the racial shenanigans, again Ike is an awful human being. I can see the other motivation for casting him vs Tan. I would have made the same call to be honest. Casting isn't just about fit, but who can bring in the audience as well. Sometimes it still doesn't work out as we can see from the results of Iron Fist.

But for Scott Buck's vision of the show, maybe Tan would have been the best choice? Who knows? In the end. It would be the same showrunner, so likely the same results.

 

[Shadowball]

Some good points. Ike is a terrible human being. I'm glad Bob Iger did the political maneuvering to get him out of the decision making process for Marvel content. Nothing but horror stories from those that have worked with him.

On the Finn Jones casting. He was coming off of GoT so he had a little bit more name recognition than Tan, who I have never heard of until now. So if you want to cast a hot guy in the role, coming off one of the biggest TV shows in history. Outside of the racial shenanigans, again Ike is an awful human being. I can see the other motivation for casting him vs Tan. I would have made the same call to be honest. Casting isn't just about fit, but who can bring in the audience as well. Sometimes it still doesn't work out as we can see from the results of Iron Fist.

But for Scott Buck's vision of the show, maybe Tan would have been the best choice? Who knows? In the end. It would be the same showrunner, so likely the same results.

Tan would have looked like can fight, which would have been a huge improvement over Jones in any showrunner's vision. They ended up hiring Tan for a promiment one-episode villain role and he was electric on-screen. The contrivace of Jones' Danny beating his character was a low point of the series.

 

[Lepophagus]

Ah, great point on the terrible show runner. I'd honestly put him out of my mind until now. I genuinely do think that Finn's career has seriously suffered as a result of Iron Fist. Hell, the character in the comics has gotten shafted as well which is a shame since I'm a big fan of his. Tan could've been a good choice, though it would have changed a lot of the outsider narrative that tends to come into play. Honestly, a better showrunner could've done a modified Fraction/Brubaker run plot with Finn Jones which could have both allowed Finn to keep the mask so a stunt man could've handled the fighting and introduced a whole host of diverse actors for the other Immortal Weapons which also would've helped with the race issues of it all.

At least Henwick came off IF the better for it. She really shone and I've enjoyed seeing her continue to get work.

It's kinda fascinating that post GOT the actor with the best career is Alfie Allen. Huge fan of his, but man I thought Jones and Madden would've done better with the heat they got from that show.

 

[Shadowball]

Tan being of mixed heritage actually plays better into Danny being torn between worlds. And Asian people can experience outsider narratives too. Honestly, a non-Asian Danny is maybe more obvious an an outsider in K'un L'un if you have a story set largely in K'un L'un. As, notably, the Brubaker/Fraction/Aja run was. For a story set in the halls of power at Rand-Meachum, with white actors playing all the Meachums, an Asian actor is the more obvious outsider.

 

[Hephaestion47]

Danny is a white character, they chose a white actor for this reason. Finn being white isn't the issue, he was a bad fit physically and played the role as petulant and whiny.

 

[Lepophagus]

Tan being of mixed heritage actually plays better into Danny being torn between worlds. And Asian people can experience outsider narratives too. Honestly, a non-Asian Danny is maybe more obvious an an outsider in K'un L'un if you have a story set largely in K'un L'un. As, notably, the Brubaker/Fraction/Aja run was. For a story set in the halls of power at Rand-Meachum, with white actors playing all the Meachums, an Asian actor is the more obvious outsider.

I like that idea, honestly, for the setting in Rand-Meachum. That could've been cool as hell.

 

[Kizzo2002]

Ah, great point on the terrible show runner. I'd honestly put him out of my mind until now. I genuinely do think that Finn's career has seriously suffered as a result of Iron Fist. Hell, the character in the comics has gotten shafted as well which is a shame since I'm a big fan of his. Tan could've been a good choice, though it would have changed a lot of the outsider narrative that tends to come into play. Honestly, a better showrunner could've done a modified Fraction/Brubaker run plot with Finn Jones which could have both allowed Finn to keep the mask so a stunt man could've handled the fighting and introduced a whole host of diverse actors for the other Immortal Weapons which also would've helped with the race issues of it all.

At least Henwick came off IF the better for it. She really shone and I've enjoyed seeing her continue to get work.

It's kinda fascinating that post GOT the actor with the best career is Alfie Allen. Huge fan of his, but man I thought Jones and Madden would've done better with the heat they got from that show.

Madden still gets opportunities, but they just end up being flops or not doing well (except for Bodyguard) lol. His latest one on Amazon with Priyanka (Nick Jonas wife) was the most recent flop.

For Finn Jones. Iron Fist almost ruined his Hollywood career. He was out of work for quite awhile until he landed a role on Dickinson. It was such a bad show that I think it actually put a stain on the Iron Fist character. For most it was their first introduction to the character.

 

[Shadowball]

Danny is a white character, they chose a white actor for this reason. Finn being white isn't the issue, he was a bad fit physically and played the role as petulant and whiny.

Right but Danny is white largely because of the inherent racism of comics in the era he was created. There is nothing about him that has to be white. It was just the standard at the time to have white characters as the leads. There is no reason for the lead of every TV show or movie based on comics from an older time be white just because the original leads were white.

 

[Hephaestion47]

Right but Danny is white largely because of the inherent racism of comics in the era he was created. There is nothing about him that has to be white. It was just the standard at the time to have white characters as the leads. There is no reason for the lead of every TV show or movie based on comics from an older time be white just because the original leads were white.

You're presenting a lot of opinions here as though they are 100% immutable facts.

 

[Shadowball]

Because I am right haha

 

[Watcher303]

Right but Danny is white largely because of the inherent racism of comics in the era he was created. There is nothing about him that has to be white. It was just the standard at the time to have white characters as the leads. There is no reason for the lead of every TV show or movie based on comics from an older time be white just because the original leads were white.

It's a visual medium. You have a visual depiction of the character. Artists understand what casting directors do not, apparently. Danny was NOT white because of the "racism inherent in the system", but because that was the race of the character the creative team chose to tell the story about. Show some respect for the source material. If it was not made the way YOU wanted it to be done, don't assume evil intent when there was none.
On the topic of Finn's relative hotness, there are ways to shoot all scenes that make an actor look better, not just fight scenes. The production team should have had more gay guys, IMO.

 

[Shadowball]

It's a visual medium. You have a visual depiction of the character. Artists understand what casting directors do not, apparently. Danny was NOT white because of the "racism inherent in the system", but because that was the race of the character the creative team chose to tell the story about. Show some respect for the source material. If it was not made the way YOU wanted it to be done, don't assume evil intent when there was none.
On the topic of Finn's relative hotness, there are ways to shoot all scenes that make an actor look better, not just fight scenes. The production team should have had more gay guys, IMO.

LOL what

 

[Hephaestion47]

It's a visual medium. You have a visual depiction of the character. Artists understand what casting directors do not, apparently. Danny was NOT white because of the "racism inherent in the system", but because that was the race of the character the creative team chose to tell the story about. Show some respect for the source material. If it was not made the way YOU wanted it to be done, don't assume evil intent when there was none.
On the topic of Finn's relative hotness, there are ways to shoot all scenes that make an actor look better, not just fight scenes. The production team should have had more gay guys, IMO.

There were two main flaws to the show 1) Scott Buck, and 2) Finn it not come across as a martial arts master.

 

[Qwazar1981]

I love finn but honestly i dont think we should have had an iron fist show

 

[Lepophagus]

Madden still gets opportunities, but they just end up being flops or not doing well (except for Bodyguard) lol. His latest one on Amazon with Priyanka (Nick Jonas wife) was the most recent flop.

For Finn Jones. Iron Fist almost ruined his Hollywood career. He was out of work for quite awhile until he landed a role on Dickinson. It was such a bad show that I think it actually put a stain on the Iron Fist character. For most it was their first introduction to the character.

I genuinely think the show being terrible was what lead to the Heart of the Dragon miniseries where he gave up the Iron Fist, said he'd never been a good choice, etc. Which just... Shit on the whole damn history of the character.