First female potus

[Bardox]

Just curious about the feelings of the possibility of a woman becoming President of the United States. There has been a bit of a fuss over the last few days about certain feminist figures comments about women the cycle and the idea that women should support Hilary if for no other reason than her gender. An idea that does not sit well with most feminists I know.

I personally don't care about gender or the idea of a woman being my president. I am not a HRC supporter as I don't trust a single word that comes out of her mouth, but some people do. Her position of "I will stay the course of Obama" instead of reaching further of progressive issues does not appeal to me either. Yes, Bernie's ideas will be difficult to realize, but if it was easy then it would have happened already and we wouldn't need politicians to debate over these things.

Conservatives send their far right wonks to office, I think it's time Liberals did the same with the far left wonks. Gender does not, for me, come into play. Nor IMO should it. Besides, a Jewish POTUS and a socialist to boot would be just as historic in my view.

A woman will be President one day. It WILL happen. Just not her. She never met a war she didn't like, every move to the left she's made in the last 16 years she has had to be dragged to kicking and screaming, and she's always seemed a bit slimy to me. Her "listening tour" was essentially going around begging people "Tell what I have to say to get you to vote for me. I'll say anything, just tell me!" and she adapted her talking points accordingly. Bernie has been saying the same thing for about 40 years now. He has a message and a reason for running for the office. Hilary... I still have no idea why she is running.

Your thoughts on the matter??

 

[Perados]

Well... should gender be a reason? NO!

But it is a reason, simply because they are 50% of the American population and they never managed it to become President.

I totally agree with you, that gender shouldn't count. In the same way the skin color shouldn't, but it does...

I think it's time that women have the SAME chances as man, but that includes they shouldn't have better chances.
No one should vote for Hillary because she is a women, but because he/she believes she is the best option.

And that's the problem... she isn't.
She definitely is better than every republican candidate, but not the best option the democrads have.

She will promise everything to becone President. But as a President, she will do what those demand who gave her the money to run her campaign.
She will please those who are important to stay in office...
And that's a very small group of people.

She won't care for 99% of the American population.



I hope Bernie will make it

 

[918177]

Given the sadistic choice of her or Trump?

I'd pick her and pray to whichever deity I thought might listen that the rest of the world forgave us.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

If Hillary is the Democratic nominee, I'm gonna have to bite it and vote for her, but I'd Seriously prefer a truly Admirable woman to be the first female elected as President of the United States. I don't admire Hillary at all, I see right through her.

If it was a realistic choice, I'd love to vote for for Jill Stein... but she's got zero name recognition in this race. It's just like giving my vote to the republicans (as someone in this very forum pointed out to me).

So, I'm for Bernie all the way, as I've stated before. Just because Hillary has the same junk as me between her legs doesn't make her my choice for our first female President.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

Just because Hillary has the same junk as me between her legs doesn't make her my choice for our first female President.

Not to mention our President, At All..

 

[hypolimnas]

Part of the question implies that democracy is the basis of your political system. That is, that who the people will support will become the President. The next President will most likely be the tool of the rich, I share your reservations about HRC. Bernie is admirable but the culture of disengagement from politics among the masses is the real challenge (hard to see a woman solving that at this stage). Without mass re-engagement, one risk will eventually be armed civil war violence in coming decades.

www.huffingtonpost.com: The Transformation of American Democracy to Oligarchy

It is estimated that the 2016 elections will cost close to $10 billion. Aside from the top 1 percent, who in the middle class or among the poor can participate in such an expensive process? This has become a democracy for the rich and dynasties. Consider the candidates. Bill and Hillary Clinton have made $141 million over the past 8 years and have paid $43 million in taxes. Jeb Bush has already received $103 billion for his campaign. The election system has destroyed the playing field for almost every ordinary citizen.
The New York Times estimates that the chances of a child of a state governor becoming a governor is 6000 times better than an ordinary citizen, and that the chances of a child of a U.S. Senator becoming a Senator is 8500 times better than a common citizen.
In his book, Is Democracy Possible, distinguished liberal theorist Ronald Dworkin discusses democracy in the United States, and considers some of the facts mentioned earlier. A Congress that is trusted by only 7 percent of the people is not a parliament of a democratic state. Some may say that the people can vote out those whom they not like. But, the facts are,
One, a large majority of the people does not vote in the Congressional elections. Two, even if they vote, they must pick either a Democrat or a Republican. Thus, the political structure is such that political power is divided between the two parties forever, and perhaps tens of millions of people have no representative in the political system.

Third, lobbyists and interest groups enjoy considerable influence in such elections.

Fourth, the faith of the people in a Congress that, instead of trying to address their needs and pursuing the true national interests of the United States, serves lobbyists, and interest groups, and the oligarchy, will continue to decline.

 

[b.c.]

I believe that, much like black men, SOME judge women by a different set of criteria - whereby attributes usually considered to be strengths in white males ("assertive," "conviction," etc.) are TOO often looked upon as negatives in women and black men ("arrogant," "conniving," etc.) ... by SOME.

There are studies supporting this, including the first (listed below) that found how female professors were generally rated more poorly by their students than their male counterparts:

news.uwlax.edu: Study shows gender bias in student evaluations – Campus News – UW-La Crosse

www.sciencedaily.com: Male biology students consistently underestimate female peers, study finds: Male students ranked their male classmates as more knowledgeable about course content, even over better-performing female students

nj1015.com: Study shows gender bias for women seeking employment

www.sciencedaily.com: New research proves gender bias extraordinarily prevalent in science, technology, engineering and math fields


These and MANY more.

Of course they'll be those who'll rush in here to again accuse me of hate mongering and race baiting. But HEY, I don't make this stuff up.

 

[Klingsor]

We need a female president, but it has to be someone who will bring intelligence, compassion, and dignity to the office.

It's not too late to get in the race, Sarah Palin!

 

[Bardox]

I believe that, much like black men, SOME judge women by a different set of criteria - whereby attributes usually considered to be strengths in white males ("assertive," "conviction," etc.) are TOO often looked upon as negatives in women and black men ("arrogant," "conniving," etc.) ... by SOME.

There are studies supporting this, including the first (listed below) that found how female professors were generally rated more poorly by their students than their male counterparts:

news.uwlax.edu: Study shows gender bias in student evaluations – Campus News – UW-La Crosse

www.sciencedaily.com: Male biology students consistently underestimate female peers, study finds: Male students ranked their male classmates as more knowledgeable about course content, even over better-performing female students

nj1015.com: Study shows gender bias for women seeking employment

www.sciencedaily.com: New research proves gender bias extraordinarily prevalent in science, technology, engineering and math fields


These and MANY more.

Of course they'll be those who'll rush in here to again accuse me of hate mongering and race baiting. But HEY, I don't make this stuff up.

Interesting... sort of... And your feelings on HRC as a candidate, the possibility of her being the first female president of the united states, and the whisper campaign essentially using shaming tactics on women who do not supporter her purely because of her reproductive organs would be...?

 

[b.c.]

My position on Hillary is that she's probably facing some of those same gender challenges, though I'm aware that a large number of women, and young women in particular, feel a disconnect with her for a NUMBER of legitimate reasons OTHER than her gender, none which incidentally, invalidates the overall findings of these and similar studies.

 

[Blackbeast19]

I wasn't one to keep up with politics up until recent events with Trump vs Bernie/Clinton flooding newsfeeds, but looking back even before this, I honestly can't recall a single notable thing Hillary Clinton has accomplished by herself. Everything she says is usually in response or support of what seems to be popular opinion at the time because you can't really put a spin on positives without repeating what was already stated. It's redundant.


So aside from the obvious of being a candidate for woman's rights (which is easy to vocalize, tbh) what HAS she done from her position when she's away from the podium and cameras?

 

[desilover]

don't see why her gender matters. but then it's pretty dim if people only vote for being a woman, and not her policies.

 

[Oxnard]

Any woman other than Hilary please. I am sick to death of corporatist "moderate" candidates from the Democratic establishment, and especially anyone associated with the DLC.

 

[rbkwp]

Hills may have one believer plus .. ha
continuing the American reality shows 1v

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