Now Lex. You know it is not politically correct here anymore to speak the truth. You are supposeed to repeat the bullshit, teach it to your chidren, send them off to die in a stupid war and rally around the bullshit. Learn to smell it, eat it, have sex with it. Whatever but enjoy it, the bull shit.Lex said:People say it is un-American to lash out against the President or to protest and they are SADLY mistaken.
The right to such disagreements are FUNDAMENTALY American and I refuse to let ANYone tell me different. Being a Patriot is NOT blindly following orders and towing the party line. No, it is understanding your rights and privileges as a free-thinker who is the lucky recipient of life in a free nation and acting accordingly.
People confuse the rules of being in the armed services (following orders, doing as you are told, repeating the "Story" ad nauseum) with the privileges of being an American. It's ain't the same, honey.
And we wonder why we can't educate kids to be creative, independent, and inventive thinkers. Because, sadly, our leaders FEAR people being genuinely and authentically educated. They want the industrial era system where true education was for politicians, doctors and lawyers and they told the rest of us ('uneducated' skilled laborers) what to do and how to think. Buyer (of this bullshit) beware.
Lex said:People say it is un-American to lash out against the President or to protest and they are SADLY mistaken.
SpeedoGuy said:heh
Yah, many of those erstwhile patriots act shocked or offended if someone speaks ill of the president now. There's a war on, they say. They'll piously tell you that dissent needs to be uttered in a principled, constructive and respectful manner. Yet those same people have curiously short memories. They had no compunction about speaking ill of prior presidents (and their families), ad infinitum.
madame_zora said:Yes, I'm madder at the ignorant than those who I expect to intentionally do damage, like bush, rove and cheney.
See, I can recognise a soulless wraith when I see one, it's the "It's not my fault, I was going by what I was told" group and make me want to drop these shitbombs on the internet.
* For those of you who missed this discussion, this is a privately owned site, not govermental or public space. Anyone has the right to limit the behavior of others in their own place of business or home. If there was a rule that people had to be polite or refrain from cursing, I would abide by it if I wanted to stay. There is no such rule, and this forum in particular is FOR rants, raves and off topic posting AS THE FUCKING NAME OF IT SUGGESTS!
Freddie53 said:Zora,
You spoke yourself again quite well. I wish what all you siad was false. But sadly it is true. Clinton still has the best statistics of any preseident in modern history. Democrats are thrilled with this data. Republicans try to diffuse that fact by doing all Zora suggests here.
Agian, I will echo that this is an adult only site. Thus isn't a g-rated family time dialogue here.
This is an adult porn site. If you really are a fundie and believe what the fundies teach, what in the hell are you doing here? Wouldn't your church get a bit pissed finding out you are here? Of course they would. But you stay.
Explain.
Zora keep those posts rolling. I love you.
tripod said:I can think of only a handful of people on this site that disagree with you MZ. They are the minority, most of us see you as a hero. The defensive nature of your posts directly reflects the opposition you have received lately. It is not necessary, we love you and love your posts!
Great point about the self deception of conservatives. I have figured out that the ability to deceive one's self is what seperates the liberals from the conservatives. It is the fruit from the tree of knowledge that gives us that ability... it is the biggest problem with mankind's spiritual evolution. Reality is subjective only in the presence of self deception. It is those supposed "good" people, that willingly subjugate their moral compasses to a half truth or lie, that are the problems in this world. There aren't enough sick bastards in the world to get the evil done on time. THEY HAVE TO ENLIST THE HELP OF THE MORALLY RELATIVE IN ORDER TO PULL OFF THEIR SCHEMES. It makes me want to think of a final solution to the moral relativists!
madame_zora said:Hypotheticals have the advantage of existing outside the realistic space/time continuum and therefore are not tainted with the interconnections that occur in ALL REAL THINGS. I hate it when people say "Hypothetically speaking..." although I'm sure I've done it myself. When someone starts a conversation like that, I am inclined to jump in and say "Realistically speaking, hypotheticals bore me because they lack substance".
DC_DEEP said:Uh, Tripod and Madame, now that we have witnessed your vows of everlasting love for one another, and gotten another fundie rant out of our systems, can we please get back on topic? Save your fuckfest for later (I will beat you severely if you don't tape it for my viewing pleasure.)
But this thread is specifically about the situation with Jeb, in Pennsylvania, accosted by protesters, who were zapped. Now, on topic comments, please.
Sweet tart, of course that's the answer. I just like to see it, spelled out, in simple declarative sentences, without any hyperbole, without any dancing around the issue, just plain ole spelled out in black & white so that even the simplest of sheep can understand it and have to confront it.madame_zora said:Ouch, I've been duly spanked!
The obvious answer is that the bushes are above the law. I thought everybody knew that.:biggrin1:
As for the notion of Harper being a “mini Bush;” I reject it. He is conservative, and he has not went out of his way to insult Americans (all Americans) like our previous government (I do not know how many of you heard or recall the insults from our elected officials, but it was sickening). The liberals got us involved in Afghanistan and he has only committed to stay there and try to bring some stability to a region in which we caused so much instability (the reasoning may be faulty, but he did announce his position before the election, so nobody should be shocked.) Again I will say that it was not him who drug us into the war.davidjh7 said:Sadly, I believe American uber conservative totallitarian values are invading YOUR country, not the other way around. You elected a mini-me version of Dubya--and he is acting pretty much like his inbred clone who runs this country. I
As son as you said OPP I realized my mistake- I tried doing it from memory.rawbone8 said:Dolf:
there is a factual error to note in the post above about the Dudley George death: it was the OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) who killed him, not the RCMP.
Interesting that you bring this up, dolf. Sounds like our political parties have the same philosophies, but with the names transposed. Your Liberal party sounds much like our "conservative" Republican party, and your Conservative party sounds much more like our "liberal" Democratic party.dolf250 said:<...>
He has done a few things that have really pissed me off, but it was the liberals who brought in most of the repressive legislation, made jokes when protesters were beat, robbed the treasury, had dealings with the mob, appointed their own Senator rather than ones that were democratically elected and could hardly bring themselves to say sorry with a straight face.
dolf250 said:As for the notion of Harper being a mini Bush; I reject it. He is conservative, and he has not went out of his way to insult Americans (all Americans) like our previous government (I do not know how many of you heard or recall the insults from our elected officials, but it was sickening). The liberals got us involved in Afghanistan and he has only committed to stay there and try to bring some stability to a region in which we caused so much instability (the reasoning may be faulty, but he did announce his position before the election, so nobody should be shocked.) Again I will say that it was not him who drug us into the war.
He is upgrading our military, but if you saw the things we are using it NEEDS to be done war or no war. Our sea king helicopters are from the 60' and require 30-35 hours of maintenance for every hour of flying (Sorry, that is outdated, officially it is now 40 hours) our ice breakers are from the 60's and early 70's, our vehicles are useless enough that they would have been rejected by the U.S. 20 years ago and our planes cannot fly combat missions with other NATO countries because even their communications equipment is out of date. It had to be done and does not make him equivalent to Bush.
He has done a few things that have really pissed me off, but it was the liberals who brought in most of the repressive legislation, made jokes when protesters were beat, robbed the treasury, had dealings with the mob, appointed their own Senator rather than ones that were democratically elected and could hardly bring themselves to say sorry with a straight face.
Yes, I voted for him, no he is not perfect, and yes, he is STILL better than our alternatives. Until I become dictator of the world I will have to make due with imperfect rulers.
As son as you said OPP I realized my mistake- I tried doing it from memory.
Thanks for the very sad reminder. Judging by the ones that were bought from Brittan, it would appear that West Edmonton mall also has a better maintained fleet and slightly more reliable as well as water tight (an admirable quality in submarines.:wink: )davidjh7 said:On an interesting side note, how many people know that the West Edmonton mall has a larger submarine fleet than the Canadian navy? :biggrin1:
DC_DEEP said:Interesting that you bring this up, dolf. Sounds like our political parties have the same philosophies, but with the names transposed. Your Liberal party sounds much like our "conservative" Republican party, and your Conservative party sounds much more like our "liberal" Democratic party.