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Zora and Lex, how dare you hold politicians accountable not only for their personal actions, but also for their political positions. How un-Amerkin. Why do neither of you understand that a congressman who supports legislation against drunk driving gets a free pass to drive drunk? Why do you not understand that a congressman who supports legislation for tougher penalties for tax evasion has to pay no tax on his unreported holdings? Why do you not understand that a congressman who supports legislation against internet solicitation of minors is permitted to solicit minors on the internet? Of course it is your fault, being the liberal bush-bashing republican-hating christian-crushers that you are, that Foley has been soliciting pages over the last 5 years or so! You forced him to do it.
 

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People say it is un-American to lash out against the President or to protest and they are SADLY mistaken.

The right to such disagreements are FUNDAMENTALY American and I refuse to let ANYone tell me different. Being a Patriot is NOT blindly following orders and towing the party line. No, it is understanding your rights and privileges as a free-thinker who is the lucky recipient of life in a free nation and acting accordingly.

People confuse the rules of being in the armed services (following orders, doing as you are told, repeating the "Story" ad nauseum) with the privileges of being an American. It's ain't the same, honey.

And we wonder why we can't educate kids to be creative, independent, and inventive thinkers. Because, sadly, our leaders FEAR people being genuinely and authentically educated. They want the industrial era system where true education was for politicians, doctors and lawyers and they told the rest of us ('uneducated' skilled laborers) what to do and how to think. Buyer (of this bullshit) beware.
 

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Lex said:
People say it is un-American to lash out against the President or to protest and they are SADLY mistaken.

The right to such disagreements are FUNDAMENTALY American and I refuse to let ANYone tell me different. Being a Patriot is NOT blindly following orders and towing the party line. No, it is understanding your rights and privileges as a free-thinker who is the lucky recipient of life in a free nation and acting accordingly.

People confuse the rules of being in the armed services (following orders, doing as you are told, repeating the "Story" ad nauseum) with the privileges of being an American. It's ain't the same, honey.

And we wonder why we can't educate kids to be creative, independent, and inventive thinkers. Because, sadly, our leaders FEAR people being genuinely and authentically educated. They want the industrial era system where true education was for politicians, doctors and lawyers and they told the rest of us ('uneducated' skilled laborers) what to do and how to think. Buyer (of this bullshit) beware.
Now Lex. You know it is not politically correct here anymore to speak the truth. You are supposeed to repeat the bullshit, teach it to your chidren, send them off to die in a stupid war and rally around the bullshit. Learn to smell it, eat it, have sex with it. Whatever but enjoy it, the bull shit.

The iraqi war has in one full swoop moved the United States from the uindisputed only super power in the world to just being the largest world power on the earth.

China may be poor, but it has the main playing cards for the next fifty years. George Bush, the hero of China. Bush's policies have set the stage for China to become the dominent world power in the next fifty years. Our only hope of containment is to have an axis with India and Japan with European Union backing.

No one knows for sure how high a nation's debt can go to if the national government owes the money to its own citizens. Until Buish came along, American citizens held the national debt of our nation. Now China does. If they call in their cards. A shitstorm will hit America.

That is what the Iraqi war as done for America. Oh and several other minor problems such as financing a terrorist factory in Iraq. Not on purpose, but when a conqueror comes in, some type of resistance is going to develop. In this case for every terrorist we kill, four more pop up, compliments of the Iraqi war.

And the worst for me is, we have lost the moral high ground in the world that we had in the 90's. American then was the Queen that every nation wanted to dance with. Now the Queen sets on the sidellines. She may wear the most expensive jewelry but only Britty Boy will dance with her and that may not last much longer.

Oh the price we pay for the bull shit Lex. It is expensive you know. In time your children can acquire a taste for it. It is afrter all a learned behavior.
 

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Lex said:
People say it is un-American to lash out against the President or to protest and they are SADLY mistaken.

heh

Yah, many of those erstwhile patriots act shocked or offended if someone speaks ill of the president now. There's a war on, they say. They'll piously tell you that dissent needs to be uttered in a principled, constructive and respectful manner. Yet those same people have curiously short memories. They had no compunction about speaking ill of prior presidents (and their families), ad infinitum.
 

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SpeedoGuy said:
heh

Yah, many of those erstwhile patriots act shocked or offended if someone speaks ill of the president now. There's a war on, they say. They'll piously tell you that dissent needs to be uttered in a principled, constructive and respectful manner. Yet those same people have curiously short memories. They had no compunction about speaking ill of prior presidents (and their families), ad infinitum.

Warning, offensive ourburst sure to ensue:

It gets even better. What the fucking MORONS fail to realise is that while THEY felt no compunction about holding OUR OWN PRESIDENT hostage in unnecessary trials about Whitewater (which proved entirely fruitless), then desperately morphed it into the ONLY GODDAMNED THING THEY COULD FIND which was his bj relationship with a 28 year old CONSENTING ADULT, the rest of the world found the whole "affair" nauseating, and by "affair" I mean the media spectacle.

HOW MANY WORLD LEADERS DO YOU THINK GET BLOWJOBS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT THEIR WIVES? (next time try "most of them")

But that's not the real news, the REAL news is that other countries saw an opportunity and took it. Everyone knows by now that all of this started under Clinton's watch, that has never been a secret, nor is it disputed by anyone. It's a fact. It's also a fact that Clinton was VERY involved with trying both diplomatically AND militarily with containing the problem. He didn't have:

1. The full support of congress and the house to do whatever he wanted.

2. The undivided attention of the American people who were being directed instead to his trousers.

3. The desire to dominate the world.

4. Time. This is (to me) the biggest tragedy- we didn't have his time. While we had a man in office who was a sincere Christian, a brilliant thinker and negotiator, the best thing we could figure out to do with his valuable time was to keep him tied up in court, humiliating OURSELVES internationally. Shame on all of us, and that includes ME.

You who call yourselves Christians have not Christ in your hearts if you prefer judgement to forgiveness on "moral issues"- that's not what Jesus did! As a matter of fact, he was prone to using quite colourful language at time, particularly when he was pissed!

You would cut a "sinner" out from among you as if he were not one of you, but...let...he..who...is...without..sin...cast...the...first...stone? I am ashamed of YOU, and ashamed of ME for not getting louder sooner. When MY friends err and fall short of perfection, I am concerned for them. When my leaders "sin" I want to know WHY, and how this will impact the job they're doing. Guess what? Getting a hummer is probably a good thing for a world leader. If Hilary can deal with it, then it's really none of MY concern. I was never planning to suck his cock myself, so why would I care?

See, my anger goes much further than our fallen politicians. I am EXTREMELY angry that the repugs have employed the likes of Karl Rove (How's that for a "moral" example? Nigga, please!) to construct an entirely ILLEGAL religious/political platform in direct violation of the bill of rights- here it is again:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The whole Department of Family Values is illegal and therefore repugnant.
Elevating one set of religous beliefs over another is clearly in violation of the first motherfucking amendment. Trying to limit the speech of people who "offend" you by saying FUCK is morally fucking repugnant*, FUCK!

The truth of the matter, or at least ONE of the truths of the matter is that the uptight, easily offended, delicately sensitive, closeted, "good hearted people" in denial who got on the bandwagon fanning the flames of Clinton's public exhibition are the ones who left the door wide open for terror groups, WHO CLINTON WAS TRYING TO CONTAIN, to grow and flourish while he was being grilled about his dick. Oh, irony! Yes, I'm madder at the ignorant than those who I expect to intentionally do damage, like bush, rove and cheney.
See, I can recognise a soulless wraith when I see one, it's the "It's not my fault, I was going by what I was told" group and make me want to drop these shitbombs on the internet.

* For those of you who missed this discussion, this is a privately owned site, not govermental or public space. Anyone has the right to limit the behavior of others in their own place of business or home. If there was a rule that people had to be polite or refrain from cursing, I would abide by it if I wanted to stay. There is no such rule, and this forum in particular is FOR rants, raves and off topic posting AS THE FUCKING NAME OF IT SUGGESTS!
 

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madame_zora said:
Yes, I'm madder at the ignorant than those who I expect to intentionally do damage, like bush, rove and cheney.
See, I can recognise a soulless wraith when I see one, it's the "It's not my fault, I was going by what I was told" group and make me want to drop these shitbombs on the internet.

* For those of you who missed this discussion, this is a privately owned site, not govermental or public space. Anyone has the right to limit the behavior of others in their own place of business or home. If there was a rule that people had to be polite or refrain from cursing, I would abide by it if I wanted to stay. There is no such rule, and this forum in particular is FOR rants, raves and off topic posting AS THE FUCKING NAME OF IT SUGGESTS!

I can think of only a handful of people on this site that disagree with you MZ. They are the minority, most of us see you as a hero. The defensive nature of your posts directly reflects the opposition you have received lately. It is not necessary, we love you and love your posts!

Great point about the self deception of conservatives. I have figured out that the ability to deceive one's self is what seperates the liberals from the conservatives. It is the fruit from the tree of knowledge that gives us that ability... it is the biggest problem with mankind's spiritual evolution. Reality is subjective only in the presence of self deception. It is those supposed "good" people, that willingly subjugate their moral compasses to a half truth or lie, that are the problems in this world. There aren't enough sick bastards in the world to get the evil done on time. THEY HAVE TO ENLIST THE HELP OF THE MORALLY RELATIVE IN ORDER TO PULL OFF THEIR SCHEMES. It makes me want to think of a final solution to the moral relativists!
 

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Zora,

You spoke yourself again quite well. I wish what all you siad was false. But sadly it is true. Clinton still has the best statistics of any preseident in modern history. Democrats are thrilled with this data. Republicans try to diffuse that fact by doing all Zora suggests here.

Agian, I will echo that this is an adult only site. Thus isn't a g-rated family time dialogue here.

This is an adult porn site. If you really are a fundie and believe what the fundies teach, what in the hell are you doing here? Wouldn't your church get a bit pissed finding out you are here? Of course they would. But you stay.

Explain.

Zora keep those posts rolling. I love you.
 

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Freddie53 said:
Zora,

You spoke yourself again quite well. I wish what all you siad was false. But sadly it is true. Clinton still has the best statistics of any preseident in modern history. Democrats are thrilled with this data. Republicans try to diffuse that fact by doing all Zora suggests here.

Agian, I will echo that this is an adult only site. Thus isn't a g-rated family time dialogue here.

This is an adult porn site. If you really are a fundie and believe what the fundies teach, what in the hell are you doing here? Wouldn't your church get a bit pissed finding out you are here? Of course they would. But you stay.

Explain.

Zora keep those posts rolling. I love you.

Ooh please, let me field this one! They are HERE because they "pick and choose" what they believe about their own faith, all the while comdemning others for doing exactly that! You hypocrites, you make me sick!

As a further taunt to fundies (you don't have to answer), how many of you have computers stuffed full of porn, even GAY porn? It's painfully obvious that many who claim "moral superiority" and support this regime passing laws based on religion (fucking disgusting) are pretty quick to provide linky-links to dicks, sex acts, lewd jokes and the like, I can't be the only one to notice that.

I might be a bitch, but at least I live an honest life. EVERYONE knows I'm politically incorrect even in real life, my daughter is an infrequently visiting member, and I tell my friends about all the things I do, including posting here. A couple have joined, but none of them really post. You can call me rude, but at least I'm not a motherfucking liar.
 

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tripod said:
I can think of only a handful of people on this site that disagree with you MZ. They are the minority, most of us see you as a hero. The defensive nature of your posts directly reflects the opposition you have received lately. It is not necessary, we love you and love your posts!

Thanks love. Did I sound defensive? Maybe I am, this shit happens from time to time. I think I understand what you said, but for those who might not, I think you mean there are only a handful of people who disagree about the right to speek freely, not that everyone necessarily supports my specific views, did I get that right?

Great point about the self deception of conservatives. I have figured out that the ability to deceive one's self is what seperates the liberals from the conservatives. It is the fruit from the tree of knowledge that gives us that ability... it is the biggest problem with mankind's spiritual evolution. Reality is subjective only in the presence of self deception. It is those supposed "good" people, that willingly subjugate their moral compasses to a half truth or lie, that are the problems in this world. There aren't enough sick bastards in the world to get the evil done on time. THEY HAVE TO ENLIST THE HELP OF THE MORALLY RELATIVE IN ORDER TO PULL OFF THEIR SCHEMES. It makes me want to think of a final solution to the moral relativists!

Wow, I love that line I bolded. Mine lacks lustre, I usually say, "Reality exists outside any of our perceptions about it"- two paths to the same goal perhaps, but yours is clearer as to why.

At the risk of treading into dangerous ground, I am morally relative. By this, I mean that I do not believe in clear and concise definitions of right and wrong that don't leave open options for the circumstances in which they occur. When asked those irritating hypotheticals about "What would you do if...?", I am most frequently the one responding, "It depends". Hypotheticals have the advantage of existing outside the realistic space/time continuum and therefore are not tainted with the interconnections that occur in ALL REAL THINGS. I hate it when people say "Hypothetically speaking..." although I'm sure I've done it myself. When someone starts a conversation like that, I am inclined to jump in and say "Realistically speaking, hypotheticals bore me because they lack substance".
 

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madame_zora said:
Hypotheticals have the advantage of existing outside the realistic space/time continuum and therefore are not tainted with the interconnections that occur in ALL REAL THINGS. I hate it when people say "Hypothetically speaking..." although I'm sure I've done it myself. When someone starts a conversation like that, I am inclined to jump in and say "Realistically speaking, hypotheticals bore me because they lack substance".

Wow...that was incredible!
:clap:
 

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Uh, Tripod and Madame, now that we have witnessed your vows of everlasting love for one another, and gotten another fundie rant out of our systems, can we please get back on topic? Save your fuckfest for later (I will beat you severely if you don't tape it for my viewing pleasure.)

But this thread is specifically about the situation with Jeb, in Pennsylvania, accosted by protesters, who were zapped. Now, on topic comments, please.
 

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DC_DEEP said:
Uh, Tripod and Madame, now that we have witnessed your vows of everlasting love for one another, and gotten another fundie rant out of our systems, can we please get back on topic? Save your fuckfest for later (I will beat you severely if you don't tape it for my viewing pleasure.)

But this thread is specifically about the situation with Jeb, in Pennsylvania, accosted by protesters, who were zapped. Now, on topic comments, please.

Ouch, I've been duly spanked!

The obvious answer is that the bushes are above the law. I thought everybody knew that.:biggrin1:
 

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madame_zora said:
Ouch, I've been duly spanked!

The obvious answer is that the bushes are above the law. I thought everybody knew that.:biggrin1:
Sweet tart, of course that's the answer. I just like to see it, spelled out, in simple declarative sentences, without any hyperbole, without any dancing around the issue, just plain ole spelled out in black & white so that even the simplest of sheep can understand it and have to confront it.

Simple questions: First of all, why did this even happen? And second: why was there no consequence for the felons who committed the crime?

Intelligent answer? Simple. 'Cause Jebya sed so.

Ann Coulter answer? Those god-damned liberal pinko fag democrats caused it. It's all their fault. They have destroyed society as we know and love it.

The Rush Limbaugh answer? They deserved it.

The Sean Hannity answer? You can't prove that it ever even happened, and if you could, it must be a liberal set-up to discredit an honorable governor like Mr. Bush.
 

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davidjh7 said:
Sadly, I believe American uber conservative totallitarian values are invading YOUR country, not the other way around. You elected a mini-me version of Dubya--and he is acting pretty much like his inbred clone who runs this country. I
As for the notion of Harper being a “mini Bush;” I reject it. He is conservative, and he has not went out of his way to insult Americans (all Americans) like our previous government (I do not know how many of you heard or recall the insults from our elected officials, but it was sickening). The liberals got us involved in Afghanistan and he has only committed to stay there and try to bring some stability to a region in which we caused so much instability (the reasoning may be faulty, but he did announce his position before the election, so nobody should be shocked.) Again I will say that it was not him who drug us into the war.

He is upgrading our military, but if you saw the things we are using it NEEDS to be done war or no war. Our sea king helicopters are from the 60' and require 30-35 hours of maintenance for every hour of flying (Sorry, that is outdated, officially it is now 40 hours) our ice breakers are from the 60's and early 70's, our vehicles are useless enough that they would have been rejected by the U.S. 20 years ago and our planes cannot fly combat missions with other NATO countries because even their communications equipment is out of date. It had to be done and does not make him equivalent to Bush.

He has done a few things that have really pissed me off, but it was the liberals who brought in most of the repressive legislation, made jokes when protesters were beat, robbed the treasury, had dealings with the mob, appointed their own Senator rather than ones that were democratically elected and could hardly bring themselves to say “sorry” with a straight face.

Yes, I voted for him, no he is not perfect, and yes, he is STILL better than our alternatives. Until I become dictator of the world I will have to make due with imperfect rulers.

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Dolf:
there is a factual error to note in the post above about the Dudley George death: it was the OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) who killed him, not the RCMP.
As son as you said OPP I realized my mistake- I tried doing it from memory.
 

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dolf250 said:
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He has done a few things that have really pissed me off, but it was the liberals who brought in most of the repressive legislation, made jokes when protesters were beat, robbed the treasury, had dealings with the mob, appointed their own Senator rather than ones that were democratically elected and could hardly bring themselves to say “sorry” with a straight face.
Interesting that you bring this up, dolf. Sounds like our political parties have the same philosophies, but with the names transposed. Your Liberal party sounds much like our "conservative" Republican party, and your Conservative party sounds much more like our "liberal" Democratic party.
 

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dolf250 said:
As for the notion of Harper being a “mini Bush;” I reject it. He is conservative, and he has not went out of his way to insult Americans (all Americans) like our previous government (I do not know how many of you heard or recall the insults from our elected officials, but it was sickening). The liberals got us involved in Afghanistan and he has only committed to stay there and try to bring some stability to a region in which we caused so much instability (the reasoning may be faulty, but he did announce his position before the election, so nobody should be shocked.) Again I will say that it was not him who drug us into the war.

He is upgrading our military, but if you saw the things we are using it NEEDS to be done war or no war. Our sea king helicopters are from the 60' and require 30-35 hours of maintenance for every hour of flying (Sorry, that is outdated, officially it is now 40 hours) our ice breakers are from the 60's and early 70's, our vehicles are useless enough that they would have been rejected by the U.S. 20 years ago and our planes cannot fly combat missions with other NATO countries because even their communications equipment is out of date. It had to be done and does not make him equivalent to Bush.

He has done a few things that have really pissed me off, but it was the liberals who brought in most of the repressive legislation, made jokes when protesters were beat, robbed the treasury, had dealings with the mob, appointed their own Senator rather than ones that were democratically elected and could hardly bring themselves to say “sorry” with a straight face.

Yes, I voted for him, no he is not perfect, and yes, he is STILL better than our alternatives. Until I become dictator of the world I will have to make due with imperfect rulers.


As son as you said OPP I realized my mistake- I tried doing it from memory.

I can't disagree with what you have said--and, yes, I definately remember the insults and belittling of not only Americans, but those Canadians who disagreed with him (the previous PM). And I agree that the Canadian military infrastructure has been badly negleced for too many decades(I have had some friends who are, or were, in the Canadian armed forces, various branches). And, the present PM really hasn;t been in office that long. I am just very disturnbed by his toadying up to Bush, and his inordinant support of him. Maybe he's playing a subtle game, but from the surface, supporting an obvious psycho world leader isn;t going to bode well for his long term survival. Or Canada's world position. Hell, just about every country out there LOVES Canada and Canadians. There is a company in the US that teaches American international travelers how to PRETEND they are Canadian, to help keep them from being targets. I should back track, and alter my position---that your present PM is TRENDING towards a Bushite regime, and that bothers the hell out of me--because I thought Canadians in general had their shit together ebtter than most Americans. On an interesting side note, how many people know that the West Edmonton mall has a larger submarine fleet than the Canadian navy? :biggrin1:
 

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davidjh7 said:
On an interesting side note, how many people know that the West Edmonton mall has a larger submarine fleet than the Canadian navy? :biggrin1:
Thanks for the very sad reminder. Judging by the ones that were bought from Brittan, it would appear that West Edmonton mall also has a better maintained fleet and slightly more reliable as well as water tight (an admirable quality in submarines.:wink: )

You are right, he does sort of gravitate towards Bush, but if you elect a democrat I think he may do the same. Perhaps his way of apologizing for our countries recent behavior and an attempt to get the softwood, mad cow and fisheries issues resolved.
 

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DC_DEEP said:
Interesting that you bring this up, dolf. Sounds like our political parties have the same philosophies, but with the names transposed. Your Liberal party sounds much like our "conservative" Republican party, and your Conservative party sounds much more like our "liberal" Democratic party.

The Liberals did, however, get legislation permitting same-sex marriage passed - something the Conservatives have been trying to reverse without endangering their minority government.

Both the Libs and Cons are repressive, corrupt, and in it for the money. The Libs are more acceptable when it comes to social policy - whereas the Cons are in the Republican camp when it comes to gay rights, minority rights, and abortion rights.
 

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I have been around a long time and people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. The trampling of your right to protest began decades ago. It was suppressed during the vietnam war by Lyndon Johnson, it happened during the Clinton administration when people wanted to protest at the economic summits being held in Seattle. The administration barred them from being within at least a mile maybe more of where the talks were being held. It has happened over and over again. My deal is not one party or the other, it's truth. Most peeps in this country don't want the truth. To quote Jack Nicholson, "You can't handle the truth." Just like peeps in the dem party better not try to hard to capitalize on Foley. I remember when a certain member of Congress from the north took a male teenage page out of the country to have sex with him. Nobody did anything to remove him from office. It's just nuts all the way around. sigh