Flirty note from student. What to do?

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I'm surprised by the responses here.

I've attended or worked at five universities. None had any rules prohibiting sexual contact between a consenting faculty member and a consenting (adult) student. In fact, I think it might be illegal in some places for an employer to tell employees with whom they may have sex. You may want to determine the rules at your school, before you take any action.

Over the years, I have known many students and professors who have conducted downright boring affairs that few people cared to note.

As for your student's saucy opening gambit, it's likely that she is sexually liberated, personality disordered, or both. If you like trouble, then respond to her. If you're trouble-averse, then don't. If your testicles reside somewhere north of your kidneys, then go talk to your superior (who probably will be annoyed that you're taking up his/her time).
 

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I'm surprised by the responses here.

I've attended or worked at five universities. None had any rules prohibiting sexual contact between a consenting faculty member and a consenting (adult) student. In fact, I think it might be illegal in some places for an employer to tell employees with whom they may have sex. You may want to determine the rules at your school, before you take any action.

Over the years, I have known many students and professors who have conducted downright boring affairs that few people cared to note.

As for your student's saucy opening gambit, it's likely that she is sexually liberated, personality disordered, or both. If you like trouble, then respond to her. If you're trouble-averse, then don't. If your testicles reside somewhere north of your kidneys, then go talk to your superior (who probably will be annoyed that you're taking up his/her time).

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You guys are some fucking pussies. If the bitch is fine, fuck the shit out of her. Life is about amazing experiences not some boring job.


Glad I'm not the only one in this post with some balls . . .
 

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It's sad when a woman cant even make a comment, in private, through a note without the thought of it going in a file for the administration of the school. What kind of world are we coming to. If he doesnt do anything to her and doesnt say anything to her, how would anyone even know it even happened?
it's inappropriate.
and by 18 she should know that.
if a coworker put, 'nice tits, love!' in a file he gave me, i would find it creepy and uncomfortable.
she's not engaging in light hearted flirting with him, she's leaving notes about his dick. it crosses the line.
and better she learn the lesson with a few blushes now.
 

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It seems the concensus is to report it now, save the note and get this out in the open with your superiors. Bottom line here is; "cover your own ass because this could go bad". I agree with that: cover your ass. But it also seems as though the real danger here is not legal liability but your reputation and standing with your employers, co-workers and students. I believe the statement made about you being allowed to have sex with anyone of age is true. However, that does not preclude the school from having its own set of behavioral standards, and, sexual harassment lawsuits being the gold mine that they are, ANY appearance of innapropriate behavior will be met with potentially career-ruining actions by your employers. They want to cover THEIR asses too.

That being said, I agree with Mantis on this one. She's just a kid still really and you don't know for sure that shes a psycho out to hurt you in anyway. In fact, you don't even know it was her. What if someone in the class who has something against her put the note there...Not looking to get into conspiracy theories, but its important to consider alternative possibilities of how this came about. It could be many different ways. Its also important to consider alternative possibilities of how it could turn out.

Not saying this is going to happen, but it could and, to me, its a worst case scenario: Lets say she does go scitzo on you. Well, in that case there's not much you can do anyway. What I mean is that the situation will blow up and wether or not you kept and reported the note will be irrelevant. There will be many more uncomfortable exchanges (more notes, her following you around, her telling other people lies about you that spread around). This will surely provide you more physical evidence and, through litigation, you can eventually save your career, but in the meantime, accusations will be flying all over the place. Her friends will say "she said she was seeing him on the side, I swear its true" or other such things. Even if you had reported the note from the outset, she will claim that you wrote it yourself or that it was a note you had willfully accepted from her and you only talked to your superiors to discredit her because she wanted to break up or some such nonsense (there's a million possible lies and evidence will, at first, not be a factor in how other people judge the situation). Other people, even your colleagues, will hear so many rumors they won't know what to believe. How would your superior, even the exact person you reported it to, know for sure that something hadn't been going on between you two before you turned in the note? It could be turned against you. It will be a shit-show and will ruin your reputation and probably get you fired even though you did nothing wrong and folowed protocol. From here on in just read some of the later chapters of The Crucible to get a general picture.

Thats the worst case scenario and, to me, it is highly unlikely that that will happen. However: the issue over wether or not you do indeed report the note is moot if she is spiteful, malicious or crazy. That cannot be denied.

Reporting her to authorities/school officials may make spiteful behavior from her more likely. Avoid any course of action which increases the likelihood of the worst case scenario.

I say: be cool. I did PLENTY of innapropriate, dangerous, idiotic, and offensive things when i was a student in college (nothing really analagous). But I was never malicious about them and almost always; I regretted them. I think the real way to cover your own ass is not by handing in the note but by remaining calm and being prepared. Don't act in any way that could be percieved as innapropriate, never let yourself get caught alone with her, and (if applicable) confide in a good friend at work who can help you get out of a potentially bad situation if you get cornered (e.g. he comes to your class when its due to end so that there is no way you can get caught alone with her). Forget about the note, pretend you never even saw it. Dismiss it in your own mind and make it so that if she wants to ask you about it; she does so in the presence of other people. If you get more such letters/notes, then you are indeed being harrassed and should tell your superiors. I just don't see how reporting it is a magic cure and, in fact, feel it is more likely to end up hurting you.

If she comes up to you at the end of class (with others around) and asks you about it, don't make a scene but say (sternly) something like: "Please don't ever do that again its uncomfortable for me and could get me fired. If you do, I will have to inform the dean." If she cannot accept that, and comes back with more innapropriate notes or propositions then, on the bright side: you will still have physical evidence, but on the darker side: its pretty much out of your hands anyway....
 

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What to do. Please bear in mind that this note could be nothing but a mischievous prank done by a person unknown and/or the suspected girl. Get a folder in which to keep the note, a copy of it and written, dated details of events pertaining to this matter...

On second thoughts I'd do no more than to prepare the folder, as above, and leave the writer(s) of the note mystified by not acknowledging it.
 

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Being that it's a college situation, I'd ignore the note and go on. To make a big deal over it would seem like too much drama.

If this were a high school situation where students are still minors, I'd document and report it as many posters have suggested.
 

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My advice is document the incident including the day, date , time and students name and report it to your department head and say nothing to the student. And if it continues follow the same procedure in case you are getting set up for sexual harassment.


Speaking as an officer of a major university: this respondent's suggestion is the only acceptable suggestion. And consider just how sensible it is. Hold off your ego, don't assume it's a setup: just assume that what she did is bad and inappropriate. Don't risk yourself, your institution or the young, misguided woman. Report it immediately.
 

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if she is hot do it... make her fantasies come true nobody has to know but if you are living in the real world just tell her hey i found your note. Im flattered but no thank you.

Yes. Remove the note. She will know you've seen it, and that's really all you can do. You might up her grade a notch just as a little "thank you". lol

Don't listen to either of these people.

As a fellow university instructor, I would advise you not to respond to the note at all. In that situation, I would probably further cover my bases by reporting the incident to my department's sexual harassment officer, just in case. My job isn't worth losing over something like that.
As a fellow teacher (but for elementary school), I liked Hugh's advice the best. Having said that, I'd also document the note. Either photocopy it attached to the test and show it to a collegue. The reason i suggest this, is if she gets a bad grade, she might try and claim she fooled around with you, even though she didn't.

Plus, this gives a heads up to the other teachers, in case she decides to try this with all professors witha dick.
 

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It's very simple, photocopy the paper with the note on it (keep just in case) and return it to her graded, complete with the original note.

Its not harassment until she continues this behavior after having been asked to stop. Returning the note would be a clear sign that youre simply not interested, and should encourage her to stop.
 

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Firstly, I'd like to say a big thank you for all your advice and thoughts.

Okay, now an update.

I now know who the student is. She's a 19-year-old freshman with a kinda glam-punk look about her. I spoke to her last week after a class because she had a question and we made some (very innocuous) small talk as well. A couple of you suggested that maybe she had found me here, but I don't think that's likely, as there's really no link. While I don't go out of my way to hide my endowment or to promote it, I was wearing a pair of Ralph Lauren jeans that day and they are a little more "promotional" than some of my other pants.

I thought about the problem after reading all your comments and suggestions. Let me reiterate one more time: at no point was I considering pursuing a relationship with this student. She is an adult, and quite attractive, but I don't feel the need to go after her to satisfy my own ego.

One thing that I am very concerned about is ruining her college career before it has really started. She probably thinks that the note is just harmless fun. Obviously I want to protect myself, but I just can't see myself going to the dean and reporting this naive student who could face any number of dire consequences. Also, the thought of having to explain the meaning behind the note to the dean (who is female) is embarrassing to say the least.

I asked a male coworker about it, and he said that he'll vouch for me in the case of it going bad. He has a photocopy of the note which he signed and dated. There is another coworker that I trust who is female. I haven't approached her yet, but it might be good to do the same thing with her (except it's going to be harder for me to talk to her about the content of the note).

So that's where things are for now. I have the student in class this afternoon, when she will get her report back with the note still attached.

For what it's worth, her work was quite good. She got a B. :)
 

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For those that don't know, I teach college. The new school year has started and I got the first crop of reports from one of my freshman classes. Inside a report was a Post-It note with a handwritten note reading:

"I know you're big. I've been watching."

This report was submitted by a female student. It's too early in the semester for me to recall who is who in this class, but of course next time I'll be looking to see who she is.

Question is, what do I do? I can't think of a way of responding without putting myself in a tenuous professional position. I have no intention of pursuing a professor/student fling, but I feel like I should somehow respond, let her know that I saw the note, or do something about it. Any ideas?
You're a teacher, she's a student, and you really have to ask what to do?
Answer plain and simple, disregard, and don't pursue it.
 

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You're a teacher, she's a student, and you really have to ask what to do?
Answer plain and simple, disregard, and don't pursue it.

As I said before, I never had any intention of pursuing it. My dilemma was how to handle the situation.