Flirty note from student. What to do?

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Glad I'm not the only one in this post with some balls . . .

No you aren't.
The OP also has balls as do I but isn't about to lose his "boring job".
What are you 14?
DOY!
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Originally Posted by Mule
Where I work, a B is quite good. A's are only awarded for exceptional work. This is an institution with extremely high academic standards.


Ok look. Some of us not so lucky kids grow up in poor families and have to acquire a scholarship such as the HOPE by getting a B average or higher in High School. A B Average must be maintained in College to keep this scholarship. Are you telling me that you give your students B's for excellent work??? So if I normally get B's for doing very good work, an A or so for absolutely outstanding, and a handful of C's because family emergency, a couple of bad days, etc., then I am going to lose my scholarship!

I hate clueless teachers like you, I hope the slut does ruin your carear..

Originally posted by Musclemonkey5

Oh you poor pathetic child.:17: I don't believe documented absences count against you and if this is what you've learned from being out in the world you really are clueless and an ass.:nono:

C.B.:saevil:
 
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For what it's worth, her work was quite good. She got a B. :)

Since when was a B good???? Let alone "quite good"?

Where I work, a B is quite good. A's are only awarded for exceptional work. This is an institution with extremely high academic standards.

Ok look. Some of us not so lucky kids grow up in poor families and have to acquire a scholarship such as the HOPE by getting a B average or higher in High School. A B Average must be maintained in College to keep this scholarship. Are you telling me that you give your students B's for excellent work??? So if I normally get B's for doing very good work, an A or so for absolutely outstanding, and a handful of C's because family emergency, a couple of bad days, etc., then I am going to lose my scholarship!

I hate clueless teachers like you, I hope the slut does ruin your carear..

Is it because of your unlucky circumstances that your reading comprehension is so poor? Mule did not say that B's require excellent work, but that they are given for work that is "quite good." He also said that this reflects the standards of the institution where he teaches, not his personal idiosyncrasy. I'm not sure of the force of the qualifier "quite" (which does, I admit, suggest a B+ rather than an unqualified B), but any gloss on the letter grades will tell you that "B" means "good" while "A" is reserved for "excellent" or "outstanding" work. What Mule reports is just what the letter grades have always meant. The difference between that practice and what has become more commonly accepted is that his institution does not follow the inflationary drift whereby "B" is given for mediocrity and "C" for minimal competence.

So people who can't maintain a B average without grade inflation (in other words, people who can only do "C" work but count on getting B's for it) are not going to keep their scholarships where Mule teaches. And you call him "clueless" for not lowering his standards to accommodate those who fail to do good work. As far as cluelessness is concerned, I would say that the shoe is on the other foot.
 

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Ok look. Some of us not so lucky kids grow up in poor families and have to acquire a scholarship such as the HOPE by getting a B average or higher in High School. A B Average must be maintained in College to keep this scholarship. Are you telling me that you give your students B's for excellent work??? So if I normally get B's for doing very good work, an A or so for absolutely outstanding, and a handful of C's because family emergency, a couple of bad days, etc., then I am going to lose my scholarship!

I hate clueless teachers like you, I hope the slut does ruin your carear..

If this is a representative sample of your writing ability and a reflection on your reasoning skills, you wouldn't be accepted into the institution where I work, so you don't have to be concerned about our grading schema. We provide discounts, grants and scholarships to bright students with a good work ethic, so poor families are absolutely not excluded. We prefer that morons like you, however, go elsewhere.
 

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To anybody who is encouraging Mule to go ahead and fuck this girl, you obviously are very ignorant of the ramifications. Most colleges and universities have strict policies that prohibit fraternization between students and professors and any professor caught violating this rule can be fired, even if they are tenured. It has happened at my school on a couple of occasions.

Mule, you did the right thing. If I were you, I would try to find a way to let the girl know that her desire to get it on with you has no chance of happening. The best way to do that is to have her come see you in your office, and have a witness you can trust there. Let her know that while the incident will stay private, next time you will have no choice but to report any advances she makes to you. There's a good golden mean for you.
 
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I totally agree with this one. Sounds like something i'd do to a teacher. And then feel really silly about it later. Are you sure she hasnt found you here?

It's sad when a woman cant even make a comment, in private, through a note without the thought of it going in a file for the administration of the school. What kind of world are we coming to. If he doesnt do anything to her and doesnt say anything to her, how would anyone even know it even happened?

How humiliating to be pulled in the deans office for noticing your hot professor and his package. I have to wonder if a gay professor would turn in a perfectly legal adult student who sent him a note like that. He'd probably keep it in his bedside drawer and leave it at that if he didnt want to get into a sexual relationship with the student.

I think some people are getting far too out there when it comes to talking to your sexual harassment department? We are talking about a man here, a grown man. She isnt like following him home and peaking in his windows and threatening to kill his girlfriend.

so if I were your student I could leave you a note about them big titties and all is well? seems real un likely cutie
 

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if this is a representative sample of your writing ability and a reflection on your reasoning skills, you wouldn't be accepted into the institution where i work, so you don't have to be concerned about our grading schema. We provide discounts, grants and scholarships to bright students with a good work ethic, so poor families are absolutely not excluded. We prefer that morons like you, however, go elsewhere.


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My advice is document the incident including the day, date , time and students name and report it to your department head and say nothing to the student. And if it continues follow the same procedure in case you are getting set up for sexual harassment.
Without a doubt, this is the proper procedure. No matter what happens next you are covered. I have good reason to believe nudeyorker knows what he is talking about.

I know as a teacher this is what we were told to do in public schools. I wouldn't think it would be any different in college.

Yes, the girl is over 18. She could claim you raped her and you could still go to jail. Her being 18 doesn't protect you from the teacher/student relationship etiquette that is expected of the professors.

You need to be able to pass a lie detector test that indeed you never spoke to the girl about this, nor wrote her anything about it.

If she makes suggestive gestures in class or anywhere else, I would walk away immediately making no eye contact nor any vocal response and IMMEDIATELY report that you your the proper officials at school.

If she weren't in your class, the rules would be totally different. College professors are often hired for the knowledge of the subject material and those professors have had absolutely NO "staff development" classes in professor/student relationships. What is proper. What is not.

Perhaps you need to ask for such a course or at least a manual to read about the subject, student and teacher relationships outside the classroom.

To some who who may not know, it is improper for a student to date the teacher during the time the student is taking the class. If the student and teacher are already dating, this must be pointed out to the appropriate dean and a decision made to whether this can be allowed. Even a married student would have to get special permission to take a class taught by their spouse. The reasons are obvious. We have already heard a lot about the grade issue. The other is the issue of a teacher taking advantage of the teacher as in "if you want to pass this class, you have to put out for me. But you have to pretend we are really dating."

In a situation where the teacher is the spouse, often the spouse's partner takes a test made out and graded by another faculty member or at least the paper itself is graded by another faculty member.

No the above will not fix the problem entirely. However, the more steps we take to guard against abuses, the better our likelihood of preventing abuse of some kind regardless of the type, sexual, fake grade, etc.

Concerning the problem of the girl being reported when she is innocent. Yes, that can be a problem if this isn't handled properly. What is SUPPOSE to happen is nothing except this is in this teacher's file, not in a file for the world to read and unless something else comes up about it, it is suppose to be strictly confidential. If there is a leak about it from the college officials office, then the school is ripe for a big law suit from both the professor and the student.

The laws on confidentiality concerning issues like this for school officials are very clear and firm: Don't repeat information about students and teachers that is suppose to be confidential. You could among other things lose you job.
 

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I was gonna say look into the harassment policies, keep the note and have it documented wherever these things get documented. You might not be the only teacher she's after in her years at the school and they might want to keep an eye out for anything else she might try.

THIS is why I have such a thing for Canadian women : o )
 

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Firstly, I'd like to say a big thank you for all your advice and thoughts.

Okay, now an update.

I now know who the student is. She's a 19-year-old freshman with a kinda glam-punk look about her. I spoke to her last week after a class because she had a question and we made some (very innocuous) small talk as well. A couple of you suggested that maybe she had found me here, but I don't think that's likely, as there's really no link. While I don't go out of my way to hide my endowment or to promote it, I was wearing a pair of Ralph Lauren jeans that day and they are a little more "promotional" than some of my other pants.

I thought about the problem after reading all your comments and suggestions. Let me reiterate one more time: at no point was I considering pursuing a relationship with this student. She is an adult, and quite attractive, but I don't feel the need to go after her to satisfy my own ego.

One thing that I am very concerned about is ruining her college career before it has really started. She probably thinks that the note is just harmless fun. Obviously I want to protect myself, but I just can't see myself going to the dean and reporting this naive student who could face any number of dire consequences. Also, the thought of having to explain the meaning behind the note to the dean (who is female) is embarrassing to say the least.

I asked a male coworker about it, and he said that he'll vouch for me in the case of it going bad. He has a photocopy of the note which he signed and dated. There is another coworker that I trust who is female. I haven't approached her yet, but it might be good to do the same thing with her (except it's going to be harder for me to talk to her about the content of the note).

So that's where things are for now. I have the student in class this afternoon, when she will get her report back with the note still attached.

For what it's worth, her work was quite good. She got a B. :)

you need a female witness as well but you SHOULD also report the incident, ifyou ignore it it is similar to telling her she can continue the behavior
approaching the female coworker is easy, walk up and tell her that a female student left you an inapropriate note if she wants to read it then let her but warn her it's lude
but I'm telling you trying to protect your harrasser is idiotic and is how minor incidients of too forward a comment turn into stalking charges
 

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Everyone keeps asking if his school has a policy refraining him from dating students. If it doesn't then it should. In no way should he get involved with a student. It is just asking for trouble. Who cares if she is a slut???? Leaving a note like that does not make her a slut. Maybe she wants a better grade or maybe she is really interested. Who knows or who cares. He did the right thing. Let's end this post.

if she is fishing for a better grade that's whoreish, if she is actually hitting on him in such a manner she is slutty
there is no "maybe she is a nice girl and only missunderstood" option here
 

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As usual, a sincere post asking for input brings out the best and worst that this site has to offer. :rolleyes:

So here's another update. I handed the report back to the student, and she gave me a dazzling smile when I did so. Nothing as obvious as a wink, but just a big smile. I couldn't help but watch her eyes but she wasn't checking out the front of my pants... at least not then!

The class progressed without anything worth mentioning. They have another paper due on Tuesday of next week, so I guess we'll see if she decides the note trick again.


Mule,

Did this student submit her paper to you yesterday (Sept. 8) sans a personal note?