Florida continues its war on science.

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  1. JustAsking

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    Florida is once again making an effort to turn back The Enlightenment.

    Here is the latest in their war on science.

    Antievolutionism in a marine science textbook | NCSE

    What level of "Lying For Jesus" is acceptable among Christians? That's my question from one Christian to the rest of the Christian population. I believe the appropriate Christian term for this is "bearing false witness".

    By the way, I believe that this is the appropriate forum (Politics) for this issue, since this is really a political/cultural war more than it is a religous one. And it is certainly not a scientific war.
     
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    Easy now...Florida didn't write the text book.
     
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    Dude,
    Yes, to be fair, FL didn't write the book, but FL is flirting with the notion of teaching its contents to its school children. This is not the first attempt at this, though. FL has had a history of getting very close to promoting religious notions in public school science class.

    Also to be fair, the state of FL is not unique in this regard, but they are one of the most active in this area.

    Also to be fair, FL has not always been the most active in this area. They share that distinction with TX and Louisiana, lately. Ohio has flirted with it a few times and so have other states.

    There was a time when Kansas was at the forefront but that has died down over the last few years.

    Here is a list of the recent activity in the USA for changing public policy on science education towards introducing religious notions. It seems to have gone international now. Ignorance is becoming one of our products for the global marketplace.
     
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    Well, when you consider that the USA now ranks 8 spots below Spain in quality of education and number of public school graduates what can one expect. The Republican'ts haven't really been interested in education for the last 30 years except to narrow down public education to math and reading -- and it's rather obvious from the legacy left from the born-again Bush Administration, they're not very good at either subject. They are hoping we all forget and buy the same bull poop they love to dish out. An uneducated population unable to think, reason, and make its own choices is a play-dough population. It's kind of sad to see how many seniors in public high schools still like to eat paste and sniff the dry erase markers.
     
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    You never realize just how bad it is until you can look at all the instances on one page like this. Who would have known that such intellectually deficient people would be crusading like this to eliminate science and the teaching of evolution in the classroom? The same proponents of this nonsense also believe that private schooling is better than public ones. If they're so against science, why don't they create their own places of "learning" and teach their own curriculums?
     
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    Isn't that the essence of home schooling?
     
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    Too many Christians treat the Bible like it's a software license. They don't really read it, they just scroll to the end and click, "I agree".

    edit- the same can be said for other religions as well.
     
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    The drafting of conservative party platforms that define for us what constitutes an acceptable "family" and which seek to define morality for us, the rise of politicians with extreme conservative ideas and viewpoints, the move (in Texas and elsewhere) to limit freedom of worship and religious choice by legislation, the characterization of those left of center as "socialists" and "un-American", the rejection of legislation designed to assist those in our society who need it most, and the above examples of changes in our educational system and in texts that alter or rewrite history, that discourage scientific thought and inquiry... are ALL indications of the quite evident

    RISE OF FASCISM IN AMERICA.

    We're on the cusp of another Nazi Germany... right here, right now, and we don't even fuckin' know it.
     
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    This is a case of ignorant people being manipulated to be unwittingly conscripted into an army of deception. Those who are behind this are not intellectually deficient, they are intellectually dishonest.

    Or let me clarify that. Those who are funding this kind of stuff are intellectually deficient. Those who are spending the funds to create an effective lobbying effort are not intellectually deficient, they are intellectually dishonest.

    For example, almost all the legislation to compromise science education is written pretty much the same way. The strategy changes from time to time depending on what seems to be working or not. The material and all the talking points come from The Discovery Institute, which is a lobbying/PR firm that has been tarted up to look like a scientific institution.

    The DI staff are the intelligent but intellectually dishonest people. They are well credentialed in academia and science. However, they spend their time creating extremely deceptive strategies to dupe the public into accepting the Intelligent Design notion. This is where the notion of Intelligent Design, Specified Complexity, Irreducible Complexity and others are formulated and published in very scientific looking books in the popular press.


    For the life of me, I cannot see how these particular people can possibly actually believe that the notions they are spreading and tactics that they are using are legitimate. They would be far too smart for that.

    However, those who fund them do actually believe the stuff or basically believe that whatever it takes to undermine science and science education is ok with them. The Discovery Institute is funded by quite a few people, but one of the biggest supporters is a Christian Dominionist. These are guys who think our government should be built on Biblical principles. They are the Christian equivalent of Muslims who want to rule by Sharia law.


    They do. Have you ever seen the Home Schooling material you can buy? And then you can get accepted at Liberty Univ, or Bob Jones Univ. Or don't mess around with other subjects, just to the Institute for Creation Research.

    But the real goal is to change public policy in general. Its not so much that they want to be left alone to teach their children Creationism. But rather they don't want others to teach anyone science that conflicts with their notions. Their goal not to opt out of public policy on science and science education but to change the policy.
     
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    Amen, brother!

    We could be, if reasonable people remain oblivious and apathetic, and don't start standing up to these ideological extremists and calling them out for what they are. People forget that the Nazis didn't come into power advocating death camps, they came into power on a wave of populist support, nationalistic patriotism and a promise to "restore" the country. Everyone dismissed the warnings until it was too late. Ring any bells?


    "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke, et al

     
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    Exactly. And anyone thinking the same thing couldn't happen here, given similar circumstances, is living in a fool's paradise. The "ball" is already in "play".
     
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    Similar circumstances like: crashing the economy, the country stuck in a prolonged deep recession, scapegoating immigrants, racial and sexual minorities, chipping away at basic freedoms and civil liberties, a dissatisfied but largely disengaged, apathetic and ignorant public easily manipulated by propaganda, a rising movement of faux patriots led by their charismatic authoritarian saviors, who spin a perversion of constitutional authority and a yearning to return to simpler times and 'true' nationalist and religious values, with an unspoken undercurrent of ethnic/religious/racial superiority? . . . . . hmmm . . . .

    Any bells ringing?
     
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    To be sure the stage is set for changing of the guard, and the less educated you are, the easier it will be to change the guard, and the King, at the same time. I have underestimated the "Moral Majority" types for years, as eventually "the truth" (as defined by scientific method) should win them over, but as JA says, these people are not looking to teach what only they believe, they are looking to change policy for all. In many ways it's as if the age of reason/enlightenment never happened for these folks. There is still a rage against pluralism, of all forms, as hot as when the Puritans first left for these shores. When Americans collectively affirm scientific methodology, over faith, in matters of science, then we will finally have grown beyond our Puritan past. Till then we have more in common with radical Islamic fundamentalists then we care to admit.
     
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