Folsom Street Fair 2007: Police adopt softly-softly approach on public orgies

[B_Hung Muscle]

I don't know what to say...

Then, how about this suggestion: if you don't know what to say, don't waste our time by posting a message saying you don't know what to say. Your silence will say it all.

Waste of time.

 

[simcha]

And she was okay with men masturbating and having oral in public.

Yes she was. She laughed and said it was like watching little boys whipping it out and comparing themselves. LOL!

The community of SF doesn't really find that acceptable. The cops and authorities wimped out as usual, and the SF board of health has all but given up on that city being so out of control with STD's. If they decided to do away with that fair, clean it up, or arrest those perverts for public sex, the gay community would cry discrimination. It's really sad it's come to this.

Actually, you're wrong yet again. Do you live in the Bay Area? I doubt it. If you don't live here you don't get it. This fair is totally acceptable and the activities are totally acceptable in San Francisco. Parents bring their children to this event every year. Please speak about something of which you are familiar. Your ignorance on these homosexuality posts makes you look like you have below average intelligence. I would hope, for your sake, that this isn't true.

 

[earllogjam]

And she was okay with men masturbating and having oral in public.

Like Simcha said- "She is no prude." Most people aren't.

The community of SF doesn't really find that acceptable. The cops and authorities wimped out as usual, and the SF board of health has all but given up on that city being so out of control with STD's. If they decided to do away with that fair, clean it up, or arrest those perverts for public sex, the gay community would cry discrimination. It's really sad it's come to this.

The last time I checked no one has protested the Folsom Street Fair for the past 24 years in San Francisco. There is no market for the brand of morality you are selling.

Just to set the record straight - The gay community in San Francisco is intricately involved in the prevention and treatment of STD's in the city. All bathhouses have been banned from the city and sex clubs are heavily regulated by the Health Department themselves as well as Gay groups. Too many within the gay community have lost friends and loved ones to AIDS and they will be damned if they loose more to the disease. We own up to the responsiblity towards our community and then some because unlike you we know what suffering is to have loved ones die, be condemed for it, and watch as our country did nothing. Most of the anti-STD programs are initiated by gay groups in the city, because we are the city. It is not a homo vs. the city matter. We homos are the board of health; we are the police department; we are the planning department; we are the building department; we are the fire department; we are the sherrif's office. We are part of every single organization in the city government and have considerable clout in how the city is run.

You need a reality check buddy to stop speaking out of your ass.

 

[BIGBULL29]

There were many muscled porn actors there signing autographs and fooling around behind the booths. I was struck how in real life some were not as good looking as on film. Jake Deckhard has a real goofy looking face with buck teeth, and many are very short guys. Maybe that is why their endowments looks so large on screen. They all seem like charicatures of themselves. I think the guys walking on the street were hotter..

Yes, many of these boys look a little better on camera. A lot of times in person, they're just homely as hell. And short -- yes. It turns out that male porn stars - gay and straight - are often short and small-framed. That's why their dicks look on the side of "bigger". But, in reality, those big hoses aren't really big hoses.

I'm naturally a big and beefy boy and hung as all fuck...:biggrin1:.
The "big bull peter" pride just ain't going away.

 

[B_Italian1]

Does anyone else find it amusing when members of this group -- dedicated to big dicks, their owners and admirers -- get on their moral high horses about some celebratory aspect of human sexuality that isn't their particular "cup of tea"?

I am not saying that being a member of lpsg requires that we all agree to share the same likes and dislikes, but I think the condemnation in some of these posts is ridiculous...

...and quoting Concerned Women for America!? What do you think they would say about lpsg?

It's not about those men being gay. It's about what they are doing in public. S.F. has given up on these men. That's the sad truth. Would S.F. allow a straight fair and allow straight people to have sex in public?

Yes she was. She laughed and said it was like watching little boys whipping it out and comparing themselves. LOL!

Actually, you're wrong yet again. Do you live in the Bay Area? I doubt it. If you don't live here you don't get it. This fair is totally acceptable and the activities are totally acceptable in San Francisco. Parents bring their children to this event every year. Please speak about something of which you are familiar. Your ignorance on these homosexuality posts makes you look like you have below average intelligence. I would hope, for your sake, that this isn't true.

Your mom is very different if she didn't mind seeing grown men play with themselves and others. No, I don't live there and have never been. My parents went to S.F. years ago and loved it. The culture, the people, the food was all wonderful, they said. But then never went back as the city deteriorated; it's like the bowels of the earth. That fair is totally acceptable because those are the low morals that have become part of S.F. The police have no control, the politicians have no control, and the Board of Health has given up.

I can't imagine a gay young man growing up there, seeing those men and thinking "is this my future?" A S.F. newspaper reported that various porn companies were there to peddle their "films".

"Folsom Leather is the crop's most straightforward leathersex film. Aside from its copious pissings and forceful fistings, it's most notable for its lack of overlays...(Bonus features add two more hours of dildo, flogging, and fisting scenes, among other treats; as with all movies reviewed, kinkier content is available only on Director's Expanded Edit versions.)...Titan's Fear makes a bold move. It's a movie of extreme sex and scary kink, all of which has been filmed outdoors, thus bringing the world of BDSM and fetish for perhaps the first time into the light of day. Alex Baresi injects his balls with saline solution, after which they're walloped like a punching bag, and dangle heavy as bowling balls when he's fisted. Rick van Sant's amazing ass actually sings as he's fisted; balls are bruised; and an assortment of guys gag on WS. The finale recalls Deliverance, when a trio of backwoods hooligans bind and brutalize a pair of hikers. There's no leather in Fear, but lots of fear itself, induced by violent, abusive sex."

Like Simcha said- "She is no prude." Most people aren't.

The last time I checked no one has protested the Folsom Street Fair for the past 24 years in San Francisco. There is no market for the brand of morality you are selling.

Just to set the record straight - The gay community in San Francisco is intricately involved in the prevention and treatment of STD's in the city. All bathhouses have been banned from the city and sex clubs are heavily regulated by the Health Department themselves as well as Gay groups. Too many within the gay community have lost friends and loved ones to AIDS and they will be damned if they loose more to the disease. We own up to the responsiblity towards our community and then some because unlike you we know what suffering is to have loved ones die, be condemed for it, and watch as our country did nothing. Most of the anti-STD programs are initiated by gay groups in the city, because we are the city. It is not a homo vs. the city matter. We homos are the board of health; we are the police department; we are the planning department; we are the building department; we are the fire department; we are the sherrif's office. We are part of every single organization in the city government and have considerable clout in how the city is run.

You need a reality check buddy to stop speaking out of your ass.

It has nothing to do with being a prude. It has to do with what's right and decent. Would you pick your nose in a restaurant? Of course not. There is time and place for everything. STD rates are extremely high in S.F., 1 in 4 men are HIV+, and anything goes at sex clubs. Regulation and responsibility is a joke. Barebacking is as popular now as it was 30 years ago. If as you say the gays have considerable clout in how the city is run, they are not doing a very good job. Nobody will protest because they will be called a gay basher, homophobic, or intolerant.

 

[earllogjam]

I'm naturally a big and beefy boy and hung as all fuck...:biggrin1:.
The "big bull peter" pride just ain't going away.

You probably look good in some leather chaps, a studded bulging jockstrap, and a thick arm band - and nothing else. :smile: Fit right into the crowd there.

 

[earllogjam]

No, I don't live there and have never been. My parents went to S.F. years ago and loved it. The culture, the people, the food was all wonderful, they said. But then never went back as the city deteriorated; it's like the bowels of the earth. That fair is totally acceptable because those are the low morals that have become part of S.F. The police have no control, the politicians have no control, and the Board of Health has given up.

I can't imagine a gay young man growing up there, seeing those men and thinking "is this my future?"

Tell me, have you recieved an invitation to visit San Francisco? ... I didn't think so. Yeah, let's keep it that way. :awink:

anything goes at sex clubs. Regulation and responsibility is a joke. Barebacking is as popular now as it was 30 years ago.

Very large claim. What is your evidence?

Nobody will protest because they will be called a gay basher, homophobic, or intolerant.

People don't protest the fair because they are not bothered by it not because they fear being called a gay basher or homophobic.

Is anyone calling you a gay basher, homophobic, or intolerant here? Would it stop you from spewing your asinine views? If only it could. We can only hope.

 

[simcha]

Yes, many of these boys look a little better on camera. A lot of times in person, they're just homely as hell. And short -- yes. It turns out that male porn stars - gay and straight - are often short and small-framed. That's why their dicks look on the side of "bigger". But, in reality, those big hoses aren't really big hoses.

I'm naturally a big and beefy boy and hung as all fuck...:biggrin1:.
The "big bull peter" pride just ain't going away.

Um, yeah, you are totally hot. I don't care how hung or not hung you were, you're hot even not considering your cock. The cock is just icing on the cake, IMHO :biggrin1:

 

[Mr Ed in Mass]

Yes she was. She laughed and said it was like watching little boys whipping it out and comparing themselves. LOL!



Actually, you're wrong yet again. Do you live in the Bay Area? I doubt it. If you don't live here you don't get it. This fair is totally acceptable and the activities are totally acceptable in San Francisco. Parents bring their children to this event every year. Please speak about something of which you are familiar. Your ignorance on these homosexuality posts makes you look like you have below average intelligence. I would hope, for your sake, that this isn't true.

I've never been to the fair,but I'm curious, I would like to ask a question,parents bring their children to where guys are engaging in oral sex and masterbation?,or are there seperate areas for that?

 

[B_Italian1]

Tell me, have you recieved an invitation to visit San Francisco? ... I didn't think so. Yeah, let's keep it that way. :awink:

No, I won't be going there any time soon. I have some friends who live there and are selling their house and leaving as fast as they can.

Very large claim. What is your evidence?

HIV/AIDS

Gay Men and Bareback Sex

s.f. bayarea craigslist > > men seeking men: search for "bareback"

People don't protest the fair because they are not bothered by it not because they fear being called a gay basher or homophobic.

If you live in SF and protest that fair it would be like calling a black person the "n" word. You have to be politically correct and endorse that fair. That's why it just gets worse and worse each year.

Is anyone calling you a gay basher, homophobic, or intolerant here? Would it stop you from spewing your asinine views? If only it could. We can only hope.

Check out my posts. :biggrin1: I've been called all kinds of names.

 

[earllogjam]

No, I won't be going there any time soon. I have some friends who live there and are selling their house and leaving as fast as they can.

You will find San Franciscans to be very easy going and tolerant. But they aren't tolerant to ignorant piousness.

anything goes at sex clubs. Regulation and responsibility is a joke. Barebacking is as popular now as it was 30 years ago.

Very large claim. What is your evidence?

HIV/AIDS
This article is over 8 years old.

Gay Men and Bareback Sex
This is a encyclopedia article from About.com regarding bare-backing. There is nothing in here about HIV infection rates let alone anything current practices nor anything about San Francisco.


s.f. bayarea craigslist > > men seeking men: search for "bareback"
Do the search using the term “safe sex”. The same craigslist search using the term “safe sex” produces almost 4 times more personal M2M listings. 201 to 56.
s.f. bayarea craigslist > > men seeking men: search for "safe sex"


The articles you cite here are all weak arguments to your case. You spread rumors and half truths about gay men and the real HIV situation in San Francisco. Your claims are not only overblown but you are using one article almost a decade old to back up your claims about the situation today.

Your thoughtless post here is criminal because you perpetuate lies and nullify the hard work and real effort of the gay community and the efforts of many individuals who have worked to control the spread of AIDS in San Francisco. Yes, there are gay men who bareback, I cannot deny that but they are a small fraction of the gay men in San Francisco. You, however, malign all or the majority of gay men as irresponsible disease carriers. Something that is flat out wrong. You are hopelessly misinformed and reckless in your conclusions.

Here are the hard facts that you have conveniently overlooked in your analysis of the HIV situation in San Francisco. The fact that HIV rates have been decreasing to the point that AIDS is no longer an epidemic in the city. The fact that gay men have taken responsibility to curb the spread of the disease and continue to be on the forefront of HIV prevention in the city. The fact that gay groups and events such as the Folsom Street Fair raise funds primarily for AIDS prevention and treatment.

Large drop reported in HIV cases in S.F. / Feared second wave of infections appears to have crested

San Francisco AIDS Foundation: HIV/AIDS Statistics

San Francisco AIDS Foundation: The Epidemic is Over: HIV is Endemic -- and a Much Greater Challenge

FOLSOM STREET FAIR

If you live in SF and protest that fair it would be like calling a black person the "n" word. You have to be politically correct and endorse that fair. That's why it just gets worse and worse each year.

Coming from a man who has never been to the Folsom Street Fair let alone San Francisco your views are ludicrous as a native. It dismays me that you can talk with conviction or veracity about a city or event that you have at best only superficial knowledge of? It is like a passenger on a plane telling someone what it is like to pilot an aircraft because he read the emergency flight card or someone who goes to Waikiki Beach looking for tropical paradise. Your ignorance is staggering.

 

[B_Italian1]

Do the search using the term “safe sex”. The same craigslist search using the term “safe sex” produces almost 4 times more personal M2M listings. 201 to 56.
s.f. bayarea craigslist > > men seeking men: search for "safe sex"

Safe sex is a joke. My uncle is a doc who has been practicing in Marin County for over 30 years, and he has seen it all. Just about everyone in those ads puts HIV-, safe, discreet, disease free, etc. Then when they meet the guy and thinks he looks okay, so much for safe sex. Or they use condoms maybe the first 2 or 3 times and figure they guy looks healthy, so they chuck the condoms.

The articles you cite here are all weak arguments to your case. You spread rumors and half truths about gay men and the real HIV situation in San Francisco. Your claims are not only overblown but you are using one article almost a decade old to back up your claims about the situation today.

Have you read some of the posts on here by gay men who live in the S.F. area? They are not practicing safe sex.

Your thoughtless post here is criminal because you perpetuate lies and nullify the hard work and real effort of the gay community and the efforts of many individuals who have worked to control the spread of AIDS in San Francisco. Yes, there are gay men who bareback, I cannot deny that but they are a small fraction of the gay men in San Francisco. You, however, malign all or the majority of gay men as irresponsible disease carriers. Something that is flat out wrong. You are hopelessly misinformed and reckless in your conclusions.

Look at this PDF file.
http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/PHP/RptsHIVAIDS/qrtrpt062007.pdf
Just about every table lists gay and bisexual men at the top of the list. If you look at the chart the green line shows persons living with AIDS. Yes there are more people living with AIDS due to medical advances.
If you look at the red line you can see there are fewer deaths due to medical advances. The blue line shows the decrease in cases but doesn't explain the full story. S.F. is a city where people come and go. More and more gay men move into that city every year. Not everyone is tracked. Not everyone has an HIV test. And many people who are HIV pos don't even know it.

Here are the hard facts that you have conveniently overlooked in your analysis of the HIV situation in San Francisco. The fact that HIV rates have been decreasing to the point that AIDS is no longer an epidemic in the city. The fact that gay men have taken responsibility to curb the spread of the disease and continue to be on the forefront of HIV prevention in the city. The fact that gay groups and events such as the Folsom Street Fair raise funds primarily for AIDS prevention and treatment.

Large drop reported in HIV cases in S.F. / Feared second wave of infections appears to have crested

All that means is that they expected more cases than what there are. It's no different than saying we expected 5000 people to die on 9/11, but it was an overestimate and it turns out only 3000 died.

The article states:
"The reasons for the apparent decline in new HIV infections may take years to understand, but Katz said the most likely explanation is that effective AIDS drugs have lowered the level of virus in those men who are HIV-positive and still having unprotected sex."

 

[canuck_pa]

Isn't Folsom open to the entire leather community, men and women?

If you're not interested in leather or seeing people naked or engaged in sexual activities just don't go. Its as simple as that. No one's holding a gun to your head to force you to either go or participant. Some people enjoy public sex and more have or least a little voyeuristic streak.

I have not been but would love to go. I've seen pictures and short videos and if I recall correctly the entrances are tarped so you can't see anything unless you enter.

In regards to HIV/AIDS let's remember the gay community was the first community to be hit by this horrific disease. And long before any government got off its ass, the gay community was producing and distributing literature to increase awareness to all communities, gay and straight. Every support group here in Vancouver was started by the gay community but was available to anyone effected, gay or straight. It was also the gay community that embarrassed government into action.

 

[frizzle]

That's sickening, regardless of sexuality, public sex should not be allowed.

 

[earllogjam]

Safe sex is a joke. My uncle is a doc who has been practicing in Marin County for over 30 years, and he has seen it all. Just about everyone in those ads puts HIV-, safe, discreet, disease free, etc. Then when they meet the guy and thinks he looks okay, so much for safe sex. Or they use condoms maybe the first 2 or 3 times and figure they guy looks healthy, so they chuck the condoms.

Have you read some of the posts on here by gay men who live in the S.F. area? They are not practicing safe sex.

Look at this PDF file.
http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/PHP/RptsHIVAIDS/qrtrpt062007.pdf
Just about every table lists gay and bisexual men at the top of the list. If you look at the chart the green line shows persons living with AIDS. Yes there are more people living with AIDS due to medical advances.
If you look at the red line you can see there are fewer deaths due to medical advances. The blue line shows the decrease in cases but doesn't explain the full story. S.F. is a city where people come and go. More and more gay men move into that city every year. Not everyone is tracked. Not everyone has an HIV test. And many people who are HIV pos don't even know it.

All that means is that they expected more cases than what there are. It's no different than saying we expected 5000 people to die on 9/11, but it was an overestimate and it turns out only 3000 died.

The article states:
"The reasons for the apparent decline in new HIV infections may take years to understand, but Katz said the most likely explanation is that effective AIDS drugs have lowered the level of virus in those men who are HIV-positive and still having unprotected sex."

If you cannot objectively read articles and data it's pointless to debate this. You give anecdotal accounts, pull quotes out of context from articles and concoct your own conclusions to emperical data and you think they validate your opinions. Sadly, the only thing they prove is your ignorance and a 6th grade reasoning and reading comprehension level.

What I'd like to see is if you are a hypocrite as well.

Do you personally practice safe-sex?

If you do you'd be in a very small minority of all straight folks in this country that do.

If you do not practice safe-sex you are a hypocrite. You are the worst kind of judgemental scum and should be the last person to criticize people who do the exact same thing you do.

I suspect the latter.

 

[B_Italian1]

If you cannot objectively read articles and data it's pointless to debate this. You give anecdotal accounts, pull quotes out of context from articles and concoct your own conclusions to emperical data and you think they validate your opinions. Sadly, the only thing they prove is your ignorance and a 6th grade reasoning and reading comprehension level.

What I'd like to see is if you are a hypocrite as well.

Do you personally practice safe-sex?

If you do you'd be in a very small minority of all straight folks in this country that do.

If you do not practice safe-sex you are a hypocrite. You are the worst kind of judgemental scum and should be the last person to criticize people who do the exact same thing you do.

I suspect the latter.

How am I a hypocrite? Yes, I practice safe sex--it's called monogamy and maybe it's something foreign in your world. My wife and I have sex with each other and no others. Is there something wrong with that? Is that old fashioned? You're implying that monogamous straight people are the very small minority in this country. Where do you get that information? Read some of the posts on here and you'll hear a lot of comments from gay men stating they are not monogamous.

I have a gay friend who is 33 and his partner is 32. They've been together and monogamous since they've been 20 and 19. He said it's very unusual for a gay couple to be together that long and to be monogamous that long is even more unusual. Most have open relationships. He said gay relationships are akin to dog years. They say that every year of a dog's life is equal 7 years, so being with his partner for some 13 years is quite a long time in the gay universe.

 

[earllogjam]

How am I a hypocrite? Yes, I practice safe sex--it's called monogamy and maybe it's something foreign in your world. My wife and I have sex with each other and no others. Is there something wrong with that? Is that old fashioned? You're implying that monogamous straight people are the very small minority in this country. Where do you get that information? Read some of the posts on here and you'll hear a lot of comments from gay men stating they are not monogamous.

Considering less than half the population in the United States is married and of those married almost half get divorced - yeah I think that monogamous straight people are a minority.

If you never have had unsafe sex outside of wedlock and if you both were virgins when you married I would not consider you a hypocrite.

But you posting at a porn filled sexually oriented site where people hook up for casual sex, your integrity in being faithful is questionable.

 

[B_Italian1]

Considering less than half the population in the United States is married and of those married almost half get divorced - yeah I think that monogamous straight people are a minority.

If you never have had unsafe sex outside of wedlock and if you both were virgins when you married I would not consider you a hypocrite.

But you posting at a porn filled sexually oriented site where people hook up for casual sex, your integrity in being faithful is questionable.

I am not here to hook up, and although there is a section for that, I'd say the majority of people are not here for hooking up. Most of the topics are not about hooking up. Yes it's true that half of married straights get divorced, but that doesn't mean they are getting divorced because of infidelity. There are straight people not having sex and there are straight people in relationships, married or not.

I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that monogamy is rare among straights. Monogamy is rare among gays. Many gay relationships don't even last a few months. A year is a long time for gays.

These post may not be surprising for gay people but they are for us straight folk.

http://www.lpsg.org/850785-post62.html
http://www.lpsg.org/915946-post74.html
http://www.lpsg.org/920730-post82.html


As I said, I am in a monogamous married relationship. We don't have sex outside of our marriage. We take our vows seriously and enjoy each other and our sex life, so we don't need others. Maybe the concept of monogamy is unusual for you or something you can't relate to at all, and if so, that's the lifestyle you chose for yourself.

Prior to marriage I never had a hookup, one night stand, friends with benefits, or whatever you want to call it. I only had long term relationships that never started out with just sex. And some of them didn't even go sexual. Relationships are not just about sex.

 

[AlteredEgo]

I think people caught having public sex acts should be ticketed, or whatever thepenalty is in their jurisdiction. It's one thing to get it on in a car, or a dark movie house. It's another to be on a street in broad daylight. I think we have to prevent society from completely eroding, no? I'm all for public nudity, and think it shouldbe legal everywhere but restaurants. Some things, however, were never meant for the public eye.

 

[AlteredEgo]

But you posting at a porn filled sexually oriented site where people hook up for casual sex, your integrity in being faithful is questionable.

Posting on this site does not equal having sex outside of a monogamous relationship. That's kind of a ridiculous leap.