For all Straight Guys: thoughts, deeds

[Matthew]

I'm on record as being a little bothered by this fantasy some gay guys seem to have about straight guys going gay. OK, maybe "bothered" is too strong a word. There just seems to be a lot of gay guys who really want to hear about straight guys going gay. Get over it. If a guy is straight he's not interested in other men sexually. That's why I'm not surprised by the responses to this thread.

Does it bother you when straight guys get off on "lesbian" porn?

 

[IntactMale]

heh heh, thanks hungblonde

 

[Lex]

How gay do you think that would make me?

I say 1% because i would allow a guy do jerk me off or give me head, but I don't think I would reciprocate. In my mind that's the real difference, but everyone has their own opinion. It's kind of hard to put a number value on sexuality anyways.

I totally agree that is is hard to quantify it. I would say somewhere between 5-10%. Touching someone (or allowing someone to touch you) to me is more than 1%--but remember--it is YOUR rating.

 

[Mr. Pookie]

Okay, first: there's nothing wrong with or "bothersome" to me (as one replier put it) with gay men fantasizing about straight guys in gay acts. I understand that. Nothing wrong with fantasies, and I think this macho posturing so many males adopt pretty much asks for such speculation. Second, all these straight guys on this thread denying any sexual encounter with another dude are flat out lying, because we all know that the overwhelming majority of males either masturbate together or show each other thier erect penises around the onset of puberty or a little after (and quite a few actually suck and fuck each other, too). But I can't blame you guys either for being so adamant about your sexuality, cause look how Lex responded to IntactMale for saying he might let a dude suck his cock. Then, of course, this leads to more macho posturing, then others' fantasies of straight males in gay acts, and the whole ridiculous comedy keeps going.

 

[Matthew]

But I can't blame you guys either for being so adamant about your sexuality, cause look how Lex responded to IntactMale for saying he might let a dude suck his cock.

Good post. I think Lex and IM just had a different view about what "1%" means. What that reflects is that even though our "percentage" system at LPSG is more accurate than the Kinsey scale and much better than the str8/bi/gay 'triad', it still does not completely explain what we see talked about over and over here: that there are some percentage of straight guys who can a) get sucked off by a guy or b) cam for a guy, etc., but are truly only attracted to the opposite sex.

 

[ChuckRich]

What if this thread isn't about gay guys wanting to fantasize about straight guys going gay? It could just as easily be a straight guy whose had sexual fantasies or encounters with other guys whose asking to make sure he's not the only one. Satsfakshun didn't answer sexuality in his profile and I don't know if it's known around the board or not so I wasn't sure which way to approach the topic.

 

[mlc808]

Bingo . . . I thought he was a straight guy too. I'm straight, I've thought about it, masturbated about it, even sucked a cock. It's called sexual experimentation.

What if this thread isn't about gay guys wanting to fantasize about straight guys going gay? It could just as easily be a straight guy whose had sexual fantasies or encounters with other guys whose asking to make sure he's not the only one. Satsfakshun didn't answer sexuality in his profile and I don't know if it's known around the board or not so I wasn't sure which way to approach the topic.

 

[Lex]

. But I can't blame you guys either for being so adamant about your sexuality, cause look how Lex responded to IntactMale for saying he might let a dude suck his cock...

Good post. I think Lex and IM just had a different view about what "1%" means. What that reflects is that even though our "percentage" system at LPSG is more accurate than the Kinsey scale and much better than the str8/bi/gay 'triad', it still does not completely explain what we see talked about over and over here: that there are some percentage of straight guys who can a) get sucked off by a guy or b) cam for a guy, etc., but are truly only attracted to the opposite sex.

That is it totally. I am not trying to tell IntactMale that he is more queer than he is. I was just saying that, for me, the percentages create a continuum where being blown is more than 1%. Nothing more. His and my views of the continuum could cause a disconnect or potential misunderstanding. Since we know it exists, we are on better footing than most.

As I stated in a thread asking specifically about percentages--they are and should always be personal and meaningful to the person who uses them. They mean different things to different people and that is more than fine in the end.

 

[bigschlotsky]

hmmmmmm

interesting thread.

I do agree that the majority of straight men never act upon any gay thoughts or sex...........BUT it does happen occassionally where someone meets another person whose energy clicks with them and they would do "something" whether sex, flirt or some in between.........

And it seems a lot of gay guys are pretty invested in that hope for some reason. News flash - the "straight" guy in your scenario is more likely a gay in the closet.

 

[Matthew]

And it seems a lot of gay guys are pretty invested in that hope for some reason. News flash - the "straight" guy in your scenario is more likely a gay in the closet.

In many cases you're clearly right, but spend any time around LPSG and you'll find out there is definitely some in-between. Do you think everyone is just lying about their 1-10-20-30%s? LOL! I'm pretty much a 100%er like you, but our experience is far from universal.

And speaking of investments, you didn't answer my question from before, bigschlotsky. Do you think it's a problem or an issue that so many straight men seem to get off on lesbian porn, fantasies, etc?

 

[Lex]

Do you think it's a problem or an issue that so many straight men seem to get off on lesbian porn, fantasies, etc?

As a reformed heterosexual tongue I have NEVER understood the male fascination with lesbianism.

If they are truly lesbians and they want each other (and pussy) then they don't want me (and dick) so what exactly is the thrill there? Where do men get off in that fantasy? Is it that lesbianism gives males a safe entry way into homosexuality?

I mean--kissing is hot (male-female, male-male, female-female) if it is done properly. And any sex that includes a cock (MM, MF) is usually okay with me for my viewing pleasure. beyond that--I have ALWAYS fast-forwarded past the girl-girl action. SNORE.

Perhaps my disdain of this fantasy should have been my first clue that I was not straight. Who knows?

 

[SpeedoGuy]

I've had no sexual experiences with other guys at all. No fantasies, no touching, nothing.

I put 1% gay in my profile is because I sometimes enjoy looking at pix of good looking human bodies...males included. If that means partially gay, then so be it.

 

[bigschlotsky]

And speaking of investments, you didn't answer my question from before, bigschlotsky. Do you think it's a problem or an issue that so many straight men seem to get off on lesbian porn, fantasies, etc?

No, I have no issue with it and it's not the same thing.
Straight guys who watch lesbian porn are fantasizing about hopping in with both of them for a 3-some. The difference is that the straight guy watching lesbo porn doesn't want to change anyone's behavior, he just wants to join them. The gay guy fantasizing about sex with a straight guy is disrespecting the straight guy's sexual orientation because he wants to change it to meet his own wants.
The equivilant to the lesbo porn example would be if a gay guy watched straight porn and wanted to join for a MMF threesome. That doesn't rub me the wrong way because, again, it's done in the context of respecting the sexual choices and orientation of the people involved.

 

[bigschlotsky]

I've had no sexual experiences with other guys at all. No fantasies, no touching, nothing.

I put 1% gay in my profile is because I sometimes enjoy looking at pix of good looking human bodies...males included. If that means partially gay, then so be it.

I'm 100% straight and I enjoy looking at pictures of well-built men as well, but I don't consider it gay in the least. I think a healthy human body is aesthetically pleasing to look at, but I don't have the same sexual feelings looking at a man as looking at a woman. I've never had so much as a fantasy about having a sexual encounter with a man. It just does not and never has appealed to me.

 

[Lex]

No, I have no issue with it and it's not the same thing.
Straight guys who watch lesbian porn are fantasizing about hopping in with both of them for a 3-some. The difference is that the straight guy watching lesbo porn doesn't want to change anyone's behavior, he just wants to join them. The gay guy fantasizing about sex with a straight guy is disrespecting the straight guy's sexual orientation because he wants to change it to meet his own wants.
The equivilant to the lesbo porn example would be if a gay guy watched straight porn and wanted to join for a MMF threesome. That doesn't rub me the wrong way because, again, it's done in the context of respecting the sexual choices and orientation of the people involved.

Wrong. If they are truly lesbians (and don't like dick) then the straight guy IS doing what you say the gay guys are doing and it is EXACTLY the same thing.

Am I missing something?

 

[bigschlotsky]

Wrong. If they are truly lesbians (and don't like dick) then the straight guy IS doing what you say the gay guys are doing and it is EXACTLY the same thing.

Am I missing something?

You hit it on the nail when you said "if they are truly lesbians." Most women in lesbo porn are not truly lesbians and the guys watching them know this. This knowledge fuels the man's fantasy, because it means the woman might be interested in him. Straight guys watching lesbo porn aren't thinking about turning a gay woman straight. They're assuming the woman is already straight and fantasizing about jumping in and having 2 women. This assumption is based on fact - most of the women in lesbo porn are straight.
Gay guys fantasizing about sex with a straight guy are fantasizing specifically about changing the straight guy's orientation.

 

[rawbone8]

Lex I agree with you, but we are talking about pornography, not real life, where the intent is to titillate the male (usually straight) consumer. The performers may or may not be real lesbians, but simply making a buck playing a role. The uncontrollably horny chicks. So horny that they need to have it right away.

If women were as sexually available in real life as they are in the cartoon-like pornography world, there would likely be little need for porno that exists now. It would cater to different tastes and needs.

If they were actually lesbians they would likely be as outraged by the intrusion of the straight male assuming they are interested or need him.

Just as that straight male might be by unwanted gay attentions in the real world, outside of fantasy.

 

[Matthew]

Gay guys fantasizing about sex with a straight guy are fantasizing specifically about changing the straight guy's orientation.

I don't think that's necessarily true at all.

 

[bigschlotsky]

Lex I agree with you, but we are talking about pornography, not real life, where the intent is to titillate the male (usually straight) consumer.

Quite true. Really this is no comparison because we're talking porn vs. real life. Straight men watch lesbo porn and fantasize. They don't go out trying to have sexual relations with lesbians. I hear lots of gay guys here talking about actually wanting to have sex with a straight guy.
One is fantasy, the other is wishful thinking.

 

[bigschlotsky]

I don't think that's necessarily true at all.

Of course it is. I'm not saying they're fantasizing about having the straight guy go gay for eternity. But for the duration of the sexual act of course they're fantasizing about changing the straight guy's orientation. How else are they going to engage in male on male sex?