For all Straight Guys: thoughts, deeds

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mainer1 said:
I think the vast majority of gay men understand that a str8 man suddenly going gay ain't gonna happen. Same as the opposite....gay men going str8. We gays have the same sexual indifference (NOT revulsion) to women as str8 men have for other men. That fantasy some gays have is simply a longing for getting it on with a 'real' man .....just another manifestation of gay on gay homophobia. Also, I think some gay men mistake others coming out of the closet after having hetero relationships for a sudden str8 to gay conversion instead of just getting honest. So, str8 guys, we gays might love to see your dicks and lust after them. but most of know what's what!!!:wink:

I agree. I admit that I generally find str8 guys more attractive but I don't fantasise about them turning gay cos I know that ain't gonna happen - it is no more possible for a str8 guy to turn gay than it is for a gay guy to turn str8. There are some gay guys who still cling to this misguided belief that it is possible to "turn" a str8 guy but they are deluding themselves. Personally I love str8 guys, I admire them, but at the same time I respect their orientation, and if I want hot sex I'll look for another gay guy and not waste my time! :wink:
 

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bigschlotsky said:
I hear lots of gay guys here talking about actually wanting to have sex with a straight guy.
Classic sentence.

Gay guys are attracted to guys, and to dick. Straight guys, just like gay guys, are guys, and have dick. Fantasies are not reality, healthy gay and straight guys understand that. But they belong to us. If gay guys' fantasies about straight guys are uncomfortable for you, all I can say is get over it. I can promise you that in your case, your personality alone will successfully scare off all but the most desperate of gay suitors.

But that's part of the irony -- fantasies aside, self-respecting gay men don't pursue straight guys. The other thing that you don't seem to be able to come to grips with, bigschlotsky, is that while you may not have even .0001% of a teeny thought of ever doing anything with a guy, there are LOTS of shades of grey in people's sexuality, whether you believe it, like it, or don't.
 

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All I know is all I know and what I've done...I'm one hundred percent gay, never dated a female, never had sex with a woman and as far as I can tell never will. But I do love women and can aprreciate the beauty of women.
Now having said that, I have had sex with straight men, either sucking them off or letting them plow my butt. Do I want them to "Turn gay" - no. It generally has been a one time thing and no they weren't drunk or high or whatever. Some just wanted to see what it was all about, some just wanted to get off then and there and that is fine by me. I'm not looking to turn anyone...I let them classify their sexuality....as I said this is me and my life experience.
 

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bigschlotsky said:
Of course it is. I'm not saying they're fantasizing about having the straight guy go gay for eternity. But for the duration of the sexual act of course they're fantasizing about changing the straight guy's orientation. How else are they going to engage in male on male sex?

Ah Ha. So, in your view--a male who engages in any male-male activity has changed his orientation (or had his orientation changed)?

I agree with Matthew here--if I see and guy (I don't know if he is gay or straight) and think he is hot, I am just admiring him. Without knowing someone's sexuality, how can I disrespect it? Should I assume that all hot men I see are straight? Been to Home Depot lately?

I stood at a bar with my EX and another guy while 3 women cruised me. Were they disrespecting my orientation? No. They were simply admiring me as I stood there will 2 other gay men. They assumed we were all straight (or at least that I was). If they fantasized about being with me--all the better.

Here is another example. I was at a all gay party with my EX. A straight woman there told me how hot she thought I was. She told a LOT of people this. She knew me as 100% gay. Did she somehow disrespect me be admiring me? No.

Who am I to say that only people I would want to have sex with can think about having sex with me?

Straight men need to get over this idea that only women can like them. They need to evolve to a point where admiration is appreciated accordingly. It would go a LONG way to reinforcing their uber-fragile egos.
 

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Matthew said:
Classic sentence.

Gay guys are attracted to guys, and to dick. Straight guys, just like gay guys, are guys, and have dick. Fantasies are not reality, healthy gay and straight guys understand that. But they belong to us. If gay guys' fantasies about straight guys are uncomfortable for you, all I can say is get over it. I can promise you that in your case, your personality alone will successfully scare off all but the most desperate of gay suitors.

But that's part of the irony -- fantasies aside, self-respecting gay men don't pursue straight guys. The other thing that you don't seem to be able to come to grips with, bigschlotsky, is that while you may not have even .0001% of a teeny thought of ever doing anything with a guy, there are LOTS of shades of grey in people's sexuality, whether you believe it, like it, or don't.

Yes, I understand straight guys have dick. Point taken. My point was some gay guys are particularly attracted to straight guys because they're straight. I guess it's a case of the forbidden fruit being sweeter. But I've three times been hit on by persistant gay guys who thought they could somehow convince me I have a gay side, or that I should try gay sex out for the experience. I've spoken to other straight guys who've experienced this as well.
As for the personal attack, I can only say that:
1. You have no earthly idea what my personality is like. You don't like my opinion on this so you've decided to throw stones. Fine.
2. I am positively the single most pro-gay, pro-gay rights straight guy I know. I believe gays have the right to be gay, to have sex, to marry, to adopt, to be openly gay, to express their sexuality in public like straight people do, etc, etc. I believe in all people rights to self-fulfillment and I'm angered by bigoted people who gay bash. I just think some gay guys should focus less on the forbidden fruit and respect straight men's orientation as much as I respect gay men's orientation.
 

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bigschlotsky said:
As for the personal attack, I can only say that:
1. You have no earthly idea what my personality is like. You don't like my opinion on this so you've decided to throw stones. Fine.

Fair enough, I do not know what your personality is truly like, nor where you stand on the issues. My bad.

I guess it's something like your multiple negative experiences with guys not respecting your boundaries: when I read stuff like what you posted, I automatically associate it with similar dialogues I've had with many straight guys about the same stuff. It usually involves at least an implied disrespect, if not outright contempt, on their part.
 

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Huh, this is a lot more interesting thread than I thought It'd be. I'm straight. Period. But I do have curiosities about things, not from a sexual experiences standpoint, but from a comparative standpoint. Guys don't do it for me at all. That's just not how my brain is wired, HOWEVER, what I have found is that in general most gay guys are FAR more accepting of their own sexuality and bodies than straight guys are (that can be debated somewhere else), and can often be counted on for very real straightforward answers about shit.

so how it pertains to this debate at hand is this: most straight guys aren't comfortable with having their sexuality questioned - not in any way no matter how trivial it may seam. Sure there are exceptions. At the same time, I think that since in general openly gay men have already cleared the social hurdles associated with sexuality so WTF would it matter to them. It's really just two very different perceptions at work. That's it.
 

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rawbone8 said:
If women were as sexually available in real life as they are in the cartoon-like pornography world, there would likely be little need for porno that exists now. It would cater to different tastes and needs.

So true, rawbone. Its funny how so many straight men go in for porno to indulge their fantasies. Straight women, on the other hand, tend to go in for steamy romance novels. Both mediums tend to project unrealistic portrayals of the reality of the opposite sex.
 

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john_t said:
...most straight guys aren't comfortable with having their sexuality questioned - not in any way no matter how trivial it may seam.

I guess I'm one of the exceptions on that one. Over the years, particularly during my teens, I was accused of being "a fag" as much as anyone. Such a lable was, of couse, the worst thing that could be said by one guy toward another. Names like that were supposed to enrage me and drive me to violence or shame me or whatever. But it never worked. It was just so utterly untrue of me I just had to laugh and roll my eyes.
 

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bigone said:
I just simply don't understand gay junk at all. Why would a guy in his right mind turn away from women for...other guys? I just find gay stuff sick, too.

Gosh, well you might like to try looking beyond the end of your own nose, then. Gay guys do not "turn away" from anything, they simply fancy men. Just like you didn't "turn away" from anything to fancy women. Don't judge the 'norm' as the defining measure of anything in life.
 

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bigone said:
I just simply don't understand gay junk at all. Why would a guy in his right mind turn away from women for...other guys? I just find gay stuff sick, too.
man........we gay men and women were born with the healthy natural desire for sex and love with other gay people....mind your own business and fuck off...
 

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bigone said:
I find gay crap not to be natural at all. I find it sick/repulsive/anything else you can think of.
man...it's none of your business...mind your own business....try to prove your masculinity in other ways that don't bother other people who are minding their own business. (I'll bet you have a tiny little cock, can't get it up for the woman in your life, and you would probably beat up your own mother to make yourself feel more masculine...what a pathetic str8 man you are!)
 

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Mainer1, let me apologize real quick. I should probably have just kept my views to myself. That's my bad.
BUT, that's no reason for you to attack me. I was not talking about anybody in particular, and but then I find you getting on me and telling me to fuck off and stuff. Sorry for what I said, but as I stated, there's no reason for you to go off attacking me. How would you feel if you stated an opinion and someone started assaulting you just for what you think?
Anyway, Ive made my amends. Ill be damned if Im going to cause some big friggen ruckus here over a stupid matter.
 

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I have always had empathy with gay guys like hungblondeguy9 even though I state that I am 100% straight.

An ex had a very good gay friend with whom I shared a double bed once when we got stuck somewhere. It was quite tense because he was quite forward and I know she would have discussed me in every detail with him. I am not precious about my body and am happy for people to take what they want from me but nothing was going to happen in that scenario as I suppose at the end of the day, I just didn't really like him that much. Had I liked him as a person more, then perhaps who knows.
 

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Hello sexy Lord.......I think I am having a blonde moment......why empathy?......:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
big hug.....and I promise to be nice if we have to share for whatever reason in future
big kiss:rolleyes:
 

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bigone said:
I find gay crap not to be natural at all. I find it sick/repulsive/anything else you can think of.

I am not offened by that at all. I think it is possible for many to not get it because it is so far removed from what they are. The funny thing is...sometimes I see a straight couple kissing and think how beautiful but sometimes I see a staight couple kissing and think that is sick and they should take that elsewhere.:tongue: Context is everything.:rolleyes:
 

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Oh yeah, you straight guys that are not sure if you have 1% or not should check out Jose Latin Boy pictures. If that doesn't pull you 1% to the dark side nothing will.:wink: