For those who Don't get their Health Care from their employer

[D_Tully Tunnelrat]

edit- Out of curiosity, I went looking for info on costs in Canada. According to this article in Wiki, per-capita costs are $4089 in 2009. Thats $340 per month for everyman woman and child. Obviously not per taxpayer!

Health care in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, this is what I meant to say, but it appears I was unclear about it, as I did not make the distinction between premiums and rates of taxation there, as we only use one metric here for health care. In using my own case as an example, I was saying that for HMO care, in the system I am in in CA, the rates are not so different than what you are paying in Canada, based upon the above. However, I think my deal is better than most, and will no doubt rise over time (last year my rate was only slightly above the Canadian avg.), which is when the rough parity between your system and mine will cease.

The wildly uneven nature of US health care is hard even for us to comprehend, but it's the result of a weak Federalism with no national standards. You can have both the best health care money can buy, and not even money for a basic physical, if you are poor. It's a very 3rd world mind set IMHO, but it's true to the old credo each according to his own means, which is short on both compassion, and long term economics.

30 years ago this was not the case; we had low rates, good health care, and were in the top 10 in health care rankings. Post Reagan and deregulation, the US has become a very different place. Caveat emptor.

 

[Holistic_Harry]

...Alberta is our most right wing province these days and their politicians have made their health care less public and more private...
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Can you be more specific than this? How have our politicians made our system more private? We pay no premiums for basic coverage here either, and $41 monthly for extended single coverage.

Ok I misread your post earlier and thought you had to pay $41/month out of pocket and was wondering about that. I hadn't heard that Albertans had made such a drastic change, but have read about attempts by the provincial government to privatize part of healthcare. So I apologize for the misunderstanding.

 

[slurper_la]

just thought I'd share this:

51% Of Self-Identified Republicans In Swing Districts Favor A Public Option | FDL Action

 

[B_starinvestor]

I think my reaction to the US healthcare debate is similarly puzzlement as to why they dont understand they have an incredibly expensive system which doesn't deliver.

Um, everybody understands that it is incredibly expensive.

Although they do say that most americans are not interested in anything which happens outside the US, so I suppose they would not realise how bad US healthcare is. And who is going to tell them?

Who are they? Liberals? State-run media?

Just fyi - Singapore has the best healthcare system in the world.

And it is run privately. Not by the gov't.

Singapore's Health Care Ranked First in an International Comparison

 

[midlifebear]

Yawn.

 

[deleted15807]

Yawn.

Exactly. Just read the mission statement:

The National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) is a nonprofit, nonpartisan
public policy research organization, established in 1983. The NCPA's goal
is to develop and promote private alternatives to government regulation and
control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive,
entrepreneurial private sector. Topics include reforms in health care, taxes,
Social Security, welfare, criminal justice, education and environmental
regulation.


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So it what a HUGE surprise it is they produced a study that backs the private sector duuuuuuuh. Another well funded (by the wealthy) right-wing think tank were all the thinking is how to hoodwink the non-wealthy into voting against there own self-interest.

 

[maxcok]

Exactly. Just read the mission statement:

The National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) is a nonprofit, nonpartisan
public policy research organization, established in 1983. The NCPA's goal
is to develop and promote private alternatives to government regulation and
control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive,
entrepreneurial private sector. Topics include reforms in health care, taxes,
Social Security, welfare, criminal justice, education and environmental
regulation.

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So it what a HUGE surprise it is they produced a study that backs the private sector duuuuuuuh. Another well funded (by the wealthy) right-wing think tank where all the thinking is how to hoodwink the non-wealthy into voting against their own self-interest.

(emphasis maxcok)

Nail on the head, Sargon, nail on the head! Exactly what I've been trying to tell these poor dumbfucks in the red South for more years than I wanna think about. "Oh, the Democrats are gonna raise our taxes". "No, dumbfucks, they're gonna raise taxes on the uber wealthy and close loopholes, so they can lower your taxes". I could go onto other issues, anti-abortion for example, but you get the point.

Nail on the head, nail on the head !!!

 

[deleted15807]

(emphasis maxcok)

Nail on the head, Sargon, nail on the head! Exactly what I've been trying to tell these poor dumbfucks in the red South for more years than I wanna think about. "Oh, the Democrats are gonna raise our taxes". "No, dumbfucks, they're gonna raise taxes on the uber wealthy and close loopholes, so they can lower your taxes". I could go onto other issues, anti-abortion for example, but you get the point.

Nail on the head, nail on the head !!!

A source everyone needs to become familiar with all the lists of all the Right Wing propaganda think tanks:

Right Wing Organization Profiles: Index


And of course the one dudinvestor sources is right there:

National Center for Policy Analysis