Foreign Policy a Shambles!!!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by BF2K, Apr 9, 2011.

  1. BF2K

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    When I read "Such policies are critical in keeping us safe" it sounds like a line from Dick Cheney.

    All I would say is that Obama is having a hard time dismantling Cheney's legacy. As for Ivory Coast or Congo, they have no oil so dont count.
     
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    BF2K - Do you even know what the word "socialist" means, or does your insanely heightened sense of political bigotry prompt you to use the usual buzzwords when ignorantly calling out people you know you'll disagree with?

    Besides, the piece you linked to is so full of distorted half truths that don't put into any real scope what the opposition party has done in pertaining to Guantanamo as well as their complete 180 on military action in Libya (just to name a few). Not to mention the usual anti-Islam nonsense bellowed by self righteous Christians under the phony guise of concern. Then again, what else should we expect from an opinion piece provided by a known Conservative news source? And is there any shock to anyone here that you'd sit here right now and make a thread about it?

    We get it. You hate Obama and think Muslims are scary. How many times can that be worded around here?
     
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    However much of a shambles anyone in their subjective opinion thinks Obama's foreign policy is, it isn't anywhere near as factually and therefore undeniably shambolic as Bush's foreign policy.

    Bush is the reason for a lot of the current foreign policy 'shambles'. You can't polish a turd, as they say. And Bush dropped a lot of turds.
     
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    Many of the conservative revisionists have been trying to serve the cow chips of the previous administration as brownies for quite some time. And surprisingly enough, there are those who devour them with just a little sprinkle of rhetorical powdered sugar.
     
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    sorry vinylboy, I personally know what socialist means. My future ex's father comes from a long history of Doctors, University studies, well paid jobs. All my future ex's cousins work full time as teachers, medical technicians and such. My future ex decided to go on vacation to Brazil for 6 months and decided not to continue her studies - I was fool enough to fall for it. Now she has left me, lives in government subsidized housing and feels she has "the right" to work part time as a social worker to avoid the "stress" of actually having a job. Guess who she expects to pay for it. We all make decision in our lives and as individuals we should have to suffer the consequences of our decisions. I fully agree that some people are not able to attain their full potential and I would be one of the first to help them out, but there are plenty that just don't want to and expect someone else to pay for their vacations on a beach in Brazil. It took me 6 years to finish my undergrad as I had to work part-time to pay for my schooling and housing. Am I destined to pay the rest of my life because someone else decided to avoid studies because it was a difficult road?
     
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    Wait... social work isn't a job? Is that what you're saying?

    BF, I would feel sorry for you if anything you said made any sense. The general tone of your post implies you're seeking pity. I'm just not sure what you're wanting me to pity you for. And what does all of this have to do with socialism? Colour me brilliantly confused.
     
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    If you would like to start a discussion. It would be helpful if you included a comment or analysis of the link you provided to start it off.
     
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    Well, if you really knew what socialism is you would be able to recognize that our own financial system is really a hybrid of capitalistic and socialistic practices. That way (in theory) people who want to make money can do some with a level of freedoms, without completely taking advantage of those who need help.

    Oh please. LOL!!
    My partner was a social worker for many years. Upon following his career path, he got into that in order to obtain experience and eventually generate potential clients for the medical practice that he owns now. Your relationship with your ex is not a viable means for discrediting a financial system. Nor does it qualify you as being an expert on the subject matter. Seriously, that's one of the dumbest things you've ever posted around here. And believe me, you've provided whoppers.

    And right now, it sounds as if you need to put your ex in place, not sit here and try to label me a "socialist". I have my own entertainment business, my ability to continually provide my own freelance opportunities in computer & web technology over the last 15 years, and potentially a third career option that I brainstormed and will be taking advantage of just this weekend. I also have a good idea as to what kind of social and financial programs are necessary to promote a prosperous nation despite any of the political "buzzwords" you may attach to them out of your own insecurities and fears

    Well to be honest, as someone who has done a lot of business in Brazil and have made several business contacts there, Brazil is a country that everyone should be looking into for opportunities. Their economy is on the rise and their self sufficiency is becoming one of their key strengths. Case in point, just last year one American Dollar used to be worth more than $2.25 in Brazilian Real. This year, it's down to about $1.59. They recently had a president who helped turn the country around and left with nearly an 80% approval rate. Above all, most of the people in this country are far more versed on political matters than people in America unlike our own.

    Lastly yes, they have the wonderful beaches. That just comes with the territory for living in a country that has a lot of areas in a tropical climate. You'd probably say the same exact thing about your ex if she lived in Florida. :rolleyes:

    I never finished college because I couldn't afford it. However, despite not getting my undergrad I've managed to create several money making opportunities for myself and stay afloat. And now, many years later I'm in a better position where I can actually consider going back to college just to have the piece of paper that so many people put intrinsic value into.

    You're the one that chose to go through college and get an undergraduate degree. You're the one that chose to incur a huge amount of debt in your name to follow someone else's script of the "American Dream", not ever realizing that there are other options to getting the things you need and eventually the joys that you want. You're the one that can't figure a way to cut your ex off and force her to find another means to generate money for herself. Either that, or you lack the abilities to see what she may really be doing because you don't like your own life and envy hers now that she's in a wonderful country that has great weather, great beaches, great food and even greater men (yowzah!!!). But I digress, perhaps you did provide one line of knowledge after all - "We all make decision in our lives and as individuals we should have to suffer the consequences of our decisions." Including yourself. It doesn't just begin and end with finances and job careers... EVERYTHING counts. It's about time YOU took your own advice and not try to tell anyone else around here who they are, using some pathetic piece of bad journalism regarding foreign policy as a vice that you never once even referenced in your own thread.
     
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    Did I just read that BF2K has the idea in his head that being a social worker is the same as being a socialist? Or, that his girlfriend has left him and expects to pay for her living in Brazil? His "future" relatives? What the fuck have his "future" relatives to do with his inability to understand the world around him. Sounds like major loser material to me. He's not making any sense. I nominate BF2K as a card-carrying prototypical member of the "uninformed electorate" we've been discussing in other threads.

    And what does Brazil have to do with our foreign policy in Northern Africa and the Middle East?

    I love his cry for self pity. It took him 6 years to obtain an undergraduate degree, because he had to work and pay for it himself? BFD! I had to do the same thing. But if you treat university studies as a job and work hard at being the best employee you can be, it pays off with scholarship and grant money that leads to getting into a graduate program that will really pay a decent salary, if you know what you are doing. But then, there are those who just aren't meant for grad school and fail miserably when they take the GED.

    And the National Review? Really? The National Review?
     
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    When you take your own experience and use that to pass judgment on everyone else in the world, you make a fundamental error that is the basis of the disagreement between conservative and liberal. Everyone is different. Just because you see the world a certain way doesn't mean that point of view applies to everyone else. Ask yourself, what is keeping me from having compassion for my fellow human beings? Why do I have so much fear that there isn't enough for everyone? What policies are in place that keep many people from having enough?
     
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    WOW. Does anyone know for sure what just happened here? The first four sentences seem almost randomly selected.


    It's almost like a poem, and we're supposed to tease out the emotional valences btwn the ostensible non-sequiturs.

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    I am sorry,
    Vinyl-boy, I have learned personally what
    Socialism means. My future ex-girlfriend's
    Father was a doctor, her cousin a medical
    Technician. She's vacationing now in Brazil,
    Discontinuing her studies. And me, fool that I am,
    I fell for it.
     
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    The word HORSESHIT comes to mind for some reason.
     
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    I wasn't aware that one could consider anyone a "future ex": you're either with someone or not.

    Posting tripe from NRO is just silly; they regularly publish Jonah Goldberg and just recently claimed that Obama's foreign policy is based on the "intense anti-colonialism" of his father.

    Since when is being "anti-colonial" being anything other than a straight-up American virtue? Didn't the Founding Fathers make their views on colonialism quite clear?

    One last thing: if the OP isn't an excellent example of flame-baiting I'm not sure I recognize the concept any more:

    Since when is it cool to name certain members by name, predict their outrage in advance all the while calling it "drivel"? What possible positive discussion could such an OP inspire?
     
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    I second your dismay. This poster has perfectly defined "trolling" with just about every post he's ever made in the politics forum. Not even a pretense of interest in an earnest discussion.

    It's quite literally ridiculous.
     
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    One might think that primary evidence that US foreign policy was in shambles could have been gathered from the Cole, African Embassy bombings not to mention 9/11.

    US foreign policy is inherently socialist as most of it is intended to ensure that cheap raw materials flow our way due to the imposition of brutal dictators on countries that have those raw materials.

    Thus, tax dollars subsidize private firms' absconding with, adding value to, and reselling to us, the products of US foreign policy.

    This worked (for us) for most of the post-WWII period. However after the end of the post-WWII economic and political arrangements, the end of the cold war generally, not only are these countries rejecting that arrangement, but there are other industrialized blocs that are willing to pay these raw materials without imposing brutal dictators by military force.

    There is no fundamental difference between Democrat and Republican party foreign policy, they agree on almost everything, the only difference is the extent of the brutality that any given figurehead is prepared to visit upon the recalcitrant.
     
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    Too much truth. And using big words such as "absconding"--tsk, tsk. I fear your eloquence will be summarily dismissed as heretical by just about all that would benefit from it.
     
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    Good post, punk09. You've boosted the IQ level of this thread significantly.
     
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    * don't feed the troll, don't feed the troll, don't feed the troll *

    This! ^ Plus wouldn't you like to hear the other side of the story from all his "future ex-relatives"? How much you wanna bet it mirrors his presence here; i.e., he's right and everyone else is wrong, ignorant, and unfairly arrayed against him. :rolleyes:

    Is there a presumption he has any sincere motives in his threads? Ever??

    All I ever see is provocative petulant pokes at those he defines "lefties", "libtards", and "socialists", i.e., anyone who disagrees with his simplistic bigoted spoonfed opinions.

    Thirded.
     
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