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The gravitational disc thing is not accurate at all. The supermassive black hole at the centre of the galaxy is, like any black hole, not observable directly. We can only infer its existance through the gravitational effects on surrounding matter. We see stars in the centre orbiting the black hole as one might expect. From that we can deduce its mass and so conclude it can only be a stellar remnant of the form of a black hole.
Gravitational attraction between two bodies is dependant on seperation and the masses of both bodies. Rotation doesn't affect the strength of attraction, it may well cause gravitational waves* but these, if they exist, are so weak that we can't even detect them with current highly specialised detectors. The galaxy is flattened simply due to conservation of angular momentum, the same reason the mass in the solar system is highly concentrated around a plane.

As for the Earth's axis of rotation changing, that too involves angular momentum. For the Earth to suddenly begin rotating around a pole through Moscow, say, that would require the Earth's enormous momentum to be simply overridden. A wobble is very different from a change of axis (think of a gyroscope wobbling and precessing; the Earth does these too but on long timescales).

It's bullshit. It really is. Giving such a baseless idea any kind of weight is not being open-minded, it's just daft.

Don't worry about it.

*I spoke recently to a PhD student in my department who is heavily involved with the forefront of gravitational wave research and it was very interesting stuff.

If these posts have been too rambling it's because it's late, sorry.
 
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As for the Earth's axis of rotation changing, that too involves angular momentum. For the Earth to suddenly begin rotating around a pole through Moscow, say, that would require the Earth's enormous momentum to be simply overridden. A wobble is very different from a change of axis (think of a gyroscope wobbling and precessing; the Earth does these too but on long timescales).

Interesingly, and highly OT, hydroelectic dams are mostly built in developed nations, which are mostly located far from the equator. This holds water, and thus mass, closer to the axis of rotation, causing the Earth to spin faster.

I spoke recently to a PhD student in my department who is heavily involved with the forefront of gravitational wave research and it was very interesting stuff.
I wonder what his reasoning would be for gravity being such an unexpectedly-weak force.
 

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I can't imagine that damns could possibly contribute noticably to the spin of the Earth. The period is slowing though due to tidal locking etc. I can't remember if it's enough for the Earth to become tidally locked to the Sun before it engulfs us. Either way it'll take time.

The weak gravity theory is indeed a mystery at the moment. Maybe the LHC will throw up hints?
 

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the Hopi Indians of the SouthWest USA predict the end of our world will be accompanied by the poles shifting, owing to the pole tenders, Poqanghoya and Palongawhoya, abandoning their pole-tending duties


the Old Testament likewise describes the end of our world:

Isaiah 24:20 "The earth shall stagger like a drunken man, and shall sway to and fro like a hammock;
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I can't imagine that damns could possibly contribute noticably to the spin of the Earth. The period is slowing though due to tidal locking etc. I can't remember if it's enough for the Earth to become tidally locked to the Sun before it engulfs us. Either way it'll take time.

The weak gravity theory is indeed a mystery at the moment. Maybe the LHC will throw up hints?

The sun won't englulf us. As it grows into a red giant, it will 'push' the Earths orbit outward. Of course, it will be so hot that the Earth would be fried... barring technological advancements in the next 4 billion years.

As for weak gravity, you should ask you friend. Since he is exploring gravity waves, I bet he'll suggest quantum theory's 11 dimensions. The LHC has been such a let-down. I can't wait until they get it up and running and start creating tiny black holes and 'seeing' back to the beginnings of timespace. For a nerd like me, this is orgasmic.
 

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Me too, that's why I decided to study it to graduate level (at least). Knowing that bits of ATLAS were built in the basement of the building I go to day-in day-out is cool enough, never mind that our lecturers are helping to run the thing. Spunk!

This thread got nerdy fast, back to crazy stories about the world ending!
 

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you're more than welcome to join me and my huskies -- I still have my old king-size bed

(but, we have earthquakes in this part of the world :frown1:)

I would love to see your Huskies - send me pics :) :)

Could this be the beginning of our end?
I dont know about the 2012 deal.. but it's been predicted for centuries great floods, drought, earthquakes, and severe weather.

I'm no scientist - but I feel something is going on with our planet.
The bees dissapearing, the harsh swings of weather, the earthquakes, etc seem to be wicked.

I can't explain why we haven't seen more severe toronadic activity - Not that I'm wishing for it.. but, why is everything else flaring up??

For us in MI.. we really haven't had bad weather the last 2-3 years. Thunderstorms are few, and isolated.
Plus...its getting damn cold quick.

I'm usually cautious to use Wiki... but.. Nostradamus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What's your thoughts on Nostradamus? I watched a video years ago that showed his predictions...and it seems to be near dead nuts on.

What's your feel?
 

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if you're asking me about Nostradamus, really couldn't say

I posted the passages from Isaiah and the Hopi half-jokingly, but, dunno, am beginning to wonder if there is something to it, given the same prediction among several ancient peoples who supposedly had no contact with each other -- for example, how would a pre-Columbian tribe in the Southwest USA know about the poles? Makes one wonder ...
 

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if you're asking me about Nostradamus, really couldn't say

I posted the passages from Isaiah and the Hopi half-jokingly, but, dunno, am beginning to wonder if there is something to it, given the same prediction among several ancient peoples who supposedly had no contact with each other -- for example, how would a pre-Columbian tribe in the Southwest USA know about the poles? Makes one wonder ...

The Hindus have 2013 as their date of a Golden Age. Both the Mayan & Hindu calendars start around the same time (12 years apart), and end around the same. Bizarre how two cultures who didn't have contact (that we know of) have a refresh/ rebirth or full cycle of calendar units. These calendars are thousands of years long, as well.

I don't buy all the disaster scenarios but there is something going on, even if its "just" some kind of consciousness thing.

...even if its only self-fulfilling, so many major religions and ancient cultures are focused on this same time-frame.

Who knows, reality is stranger than fiction these days!
 
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Nostradamus cloaked his predictions in poetic verse. We do not know what he's describing as all of them are told through metaphor. If anyone says that Nostradamus is predicting the future then they're full of crap because they're guessing at what he's saying.

It's like the Bible Code. Nostradamus, like the Bible Code, only really works once something has already happened in such a way that people can apply clues. Any prophecy that only predicts the future once it has happened isn't a prophecy.
 

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I don't know too much about geology and that, but allegedly, the Earth has flipped over a few times in the past. On top of that, the magnetic field has also moved around a fair bit too. Magnetic north used to be in Hudson Bay at one point.