Fox News Audience Just 1.38% Black

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To Sargon:
I'm always entertained by Sargon. And where did he call you names, Strawman? :confused: ( LOL hahaha )
Pretty sure he called me "Kevin Phillips" or something. Also, way to totally ignore my response to your post. Your continued attempts to label me a bigot just show how ignorant you really are (LOL hahaha).
 

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Pretty sure he called me "Kevin Phillips" or something. Also, way to totally ignore my response to your post. Your continued attempts to label me a bigot just show how ignorant you really are (LOL hahaha).

All he's saying is that it's fairly presumptuous of you to assume that just because black voters vote 95% or so for Democrats, that they must necessarily be misinformed. What about looking at it this way: How can 95% of black people be wrong? Perhaps they get a subliminal message that you're just not receiving?
 

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OK. This is useless. It's clear what you are. 'The role of government' my ass. Though your link really ended any pretense. You can join Rand Paul on the loser trail.

I would, but I don't support Rand Paul and don't want to travel on any trail that you are already on.
 

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By your own admission, your statement was made purely through personal experience with no other evidence to back yourself up. I hardly doubt that you know enough black people to make that sample representative of the general black population.
 
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To Sargon:
I'm always entertained by Sargon. And where did he call you names, Strawman? :confused: ( LOL hahaha )

Yes exaclty. 'Name callling' indeed. LOL?? Why is everything LOL?? Whatever. Time to move on. To phrase the Civil Rights Act as something we can question 'the role of government'. One of the greatest achivements of the era and to repharse it as somehow an opportunity to address the role of government. We know exactly where this is going.
 

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All he's saying is that it's fairly presumptuos of you to assume that just because black voters vote 95% or so for Democrats, that they must necessarily be misinformed. What about looking at it this way: How can 95% of black people be wrong? Perhaps they get a subliminal message that you're just not receiving?

Don't minsunderstand me, I'm not saying there are wrong to vote for Obama. That's perfectly fine. And no, I don't think they receive a subliminal message that I don't receive.

Like I said, I have no way of defending my opinion except for my own personal experiences which have led me to this conclusion. Whether it's my black friends, black people I've lived with, basketball teams where I've had black teammates (including one's where I was the only white player on the team), black people I've come across, listening to black people (like the black dude on Hardball yesterday lol), or whatever, my general experiences with black people have influenced my beliefs on the matter.
 

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By your own admission, your statement was made purely through personal experience with no other evidence to back yourself up. I hardly doubt that you know enough black people to make that sample representative of the general black population.

True. But I'd say I've come across enough black people to make a sweeping generalization like that and feel comfortable. I mean, I just made a huge generalization in this thread about white people, am I qualified to make that kind of statement?

Like I said, this is just personal opinion and you are more than welcome to disagree with me because I can't defend that opinion.
 

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Don't minsunderstand me, I'm not saying there are wrong to vote for Obama. That's perfectly fine. And no, I don't think they receive a subliminal message that I don't receive.

No, I didn't say that you said they were wrong. I was addressing you saying they were misinformed.

Like I said, I have no way of defending my opinion except for my own personal experiences which have led me to this conclusion. Whether it's my black friends, black people I've lived with, basketball teams where I've had black teammates (including one's where I was the only white player on the team), black people I've come across, listening to black people (like the black dude on Hardball yesterday lol), or whatever, my general experiences with black people have influenced my beliefs on the matter.

So, because you believe the black people you've met are misinformed (and somehow, YOU have all the information correct), you've inferred that that means that black people in general are misinformed? All 95% of them? :pat:
 

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So, because you believe the black people you've met are misinformed (and somehow, YOU have all the information correct), you've inferred that that means that black people in general are misinformed? All 95% of them? :pat:

Just to clarify, it's not a matter of having the "information correct", it's a matter of informing yourself. How many black people actually know who the speaker of the house is? For that matter, how many white people know who the speaker of the house is? Yes, because I know the answer to this question, I would say I'm more informed than my fellow citizens, white or black.

And also, I don't believe 95% of blacks are misinformed. For example, I happen to know at least 1 of the 29,000 people black people who watched Fox News this last quarter. He also watches MSNBC, CNN, and reads political websites. He is very liberal, but puts in the effort to inform himself of the issues. Do I think he is misinformed? No, of course not. And that's regardless of whether he watches Fox or not, the point is he follows the news which puts him ahead of the game which is more than I can say for the vast majority of black people that I know and have come across.
 

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So it goes that A) because Fox 'News' is a 'conservative media outlet' and B) blacks don't vote conservative that C) it is the 'duty' of a 'conservative media outlet' engage in blatent racially motivated 'reporting' because 'they' don't vote for 'us'.
I don't believe this makes any sense. Your point may be true, but in the format of a logical syllogism, it doesn't work.

All he's saying is that it's fairly presumptuous of you to assume that just because black voters vote 95% or so for Democrats, that they must necessarily be misinformed. What about looking at it this way: How can 95% of black people be wrong? Perhaps they get a subliminal message that you're just not receiving?

Ja.. I was going to remark that perhaps black Americans are a little more street smart than their white counterparts and have more of a clue when they are being fed a line of do-do. Could it be that they have better bullshit detectors?

Doesn't matter your education or your socio-economic position or your political ideology, anyone with an ounce of common sense can see right through Fox news and their "journalists". I mean really, you have to be quite dim to not get it.
 

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Just to clarify, it's not a matter of having the "information correct", it's a matter of informing yourself. How many black people actually know who the speaker of the house is? For that matter, how many white people know who the speaker of the house is? Yes, because I know the answer to this question, I would say I'm more informed than my fellow citizens, white or black.

And also, I don't believe 95% of blacks are misinformed. For example, I happen to know at least 1 of the 29,000 people black people who watched Fox News this last quarter. He also watches MSNBC, CNN, and reads political websites. He is very liberal, but puts in the effort to inform himself of the issues. Do I think he is misinformed? No, of course not. And that's regardless of whether he watches Fox or not, the point is he follows the news which puts him ahead of the game which is more than I can say for the vast majority of black people that I know and have come across.

That's all well and good, but wasn't said at the time of your original assertion. You just said that maybe they were misinformed. Your statement that most people, white and black (and, I would add, people of ALL colors), are misinformed (or uninformed, as I would say) is one that I agree with. So basically, a good chunk of folks of ALL colors are misinformed when they vote, not just the 95% of blacks who voted for Obama.
 

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Yeah I have.

No you haven't.

When Van Jones name can be found on a 9/11 "truther" petition, that's the definition of a scandal. Even liberal members of the media agreed he had to go (most recently being Jonathan Alter the other day on Rachel Maddow) because of that reason alone. That's not fiction, that's not made up. Regardless of whatever excuse Jones comes up with for his name being there, his actions speak louder than words.

So his name appeared on a petition. So what?
Many people think that we're still in the dark when it comes to knowing everything that happened during 9/11.

And I don't see any Republicans in Congress trumpeting the firing of Shirley Sherrod.

Shut up. Bill O'Reiley was one of the first asking for her resignation when the fake story "broke". On top of that, his "apology" was a backhanded slap to Sherrod as well. Faux was the first network to respond to the video hack job presented by Brietbart. There's video evidence of Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, O'Reily and several other pundits from that network calling for Sherrod's resignation among other things. Once it was discovered that the story was false, like the revisionists hacks they tend to be they desperately tried to change their story to make it seem as if the entire thing was Obama's fault. How conveniently and deceivingly wrong, considering that it was the Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack who did the firing.

If anything, I'm sure they want the story to go away.

Trust me, it won't go away. This was a textbook misrepresentation of the facts and a deliberate attack on an innocent person from a company that claims to be "fair & balanced". Much to your partisan chagrin, it will NEVER go away. And in the process, Faux has destroyed their chances of ever being viewed as a credible news source in the eyes of MILLIONS of people including those in the White House. They are just as guilty, if not more considering that it takes a really hateful asshole to want to do harm to someone like this.

Yeah, Fox trumpeted it for a day or so, but they aren't the Republican Party, just a conservative media outlet.

Your phony act of naivete doesn't fool a soul.
Faux News a conservative media outlet that is necessary for the Republican party to convey its message.

And besides, these stories really have minimal impact on black people and for that matter, all people.

Are you black? If not, then shut up. Don't speak for people you can't relate to. Also, considering that less than 2% of the viewing audience of Faux News is black you can correlate the Shirley Sherrod incident as to one of the many reasons why.

Things such as healthcare, wars in Iraq/Afghanistan, govt economic policy, supreme court appointees, etc, are all far more important issues.

Neither of those things is the topic of this thread, and your attempts to derail it with other subjects are pathetic.

If black people honestly really let things like Fox's coverage of Van Jones, Black Panthers, Sherrod, etc impact their vote in November, should they really be voting when there are so many more important issues facing this country?

How socially ignorant of you.
Republicans have not been able to get more than 20% of the black vote going back to the Nixon years. It isn't things like Van Jones, the Black Panthers and Sherrod that are affecting their vote. It's DECADES of presenting a phony message of equality, all the while supporting and proposing legislation that unfairly targets and alienates them. Whether it be a minority, a woman or the poor, the current batch of Republicans in power don't give a damn.

Even if Faux didn't blow the Shirley Sherrod story out of proportion, their "party" still has issues regarding Immigration (which demonizes Latinos), Islam (which demonizes Muslims), Abortion (which seeks to put control on women) as well as the unequal treatment women and minorities experience on the workplace. I could go on, but telling you this is fruitless.

Van Jones, ACORN, the inexistent Black Panther Party and Shirley Sherrod are just little reminders that after all this time, many of them still don't f***in' get it. And you don't either. :rolleyes:
 
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I don't believe this makes any sense. Your point may be true, but in the format of a logical syllogism, it doesn't work.



Ja.. I was going to remark that perhaps black Americans are a little more street smart than their white counterparts and have more of a clue when they are being fed a line of do-do. Could it be that they have better bullshit detectors?

Doesn't matter your education or your socio-economic position or your political ideology, anyone with an ounce of common sense can see right through Fox news and their "journalists". I mean really, you have to be quite dim to not get it.

And you know, I hate it when conservatives then respond with something like "Well, CNN and MSNBC are liberal, so Fox is merely counteracting that." That is utter and complete bullshit. While MSNBC's political commentators are pretty liberal (Scarborough and Matthews excluded), their regular news portions are pretty middle of the road. Same goes with CNN. They don't have anyone like Rachel Maddow, Olbermann, Bill O'Reilly, etc. Fox News has NO sembalnce of balance. Their overhyped motto of "Fair and Balnced" doesn't compensate for the overwhelmingly conservative Tea Party slant. They basically promoted the original Tea Bagger rallies. They were Fox News-sponsored events. You didn't see CNN and MSNBC pormoting the numerous anti war rallies which took place under Bush, or any Code Pink or Cindy Sheehan protests. There is no equivalency here.
 

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That's all well and good, but wasn't said at the time of your original assertion. You just said that maybe they were misinformed. Your statement that most people, white and black (and, I would add, people of ALL colors), are misinformed (or uninformed, as I would say) is one that I agree with. So basically, a good chunk of folks of ALL colors are misinformed when they vote, not just the 95% of blacks who voted for Obama.
Tom I'd say that if one doesn't read or watch any news at all, they a uninformed. If they get the majority of their information from Fox 'News' or it's print equivalents, then they are misinformed.
 

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Pretty sure he called me "Kevin Phillips" or something. Also, way to totally ignore my response to your post. Your continued attempts to label me a bigot just show how ignorant you really are (LOL hahaha).
Comparing you to Kevin Phillips is an 'analogy', not name calling. Look it up, and develop a new brain wrinkle. I ignored your response, because first of all, I've addressed repeatedly in this forum the ignorance of the average voter, especially those on the extreme right, as I did in that very post you were responding too. What do you want from me, a high five for pointing out what I'd just stated as though it were an original thought? :rolleyes:

At any rate, up to this point you've singled out black voters. You've given as your explanation as to why they are overwhelmingly aligned with the Democrats, that they are ignorant and easily manipulated, apparently to vote against their own best interest. The implication is that white voters aren't, at least the ones aligned with you I suppose. :rolleyes:

While you're calling me "ignorant", how bout you look up the word 'irony' and do your best to grasp the concept. Oh look, another brain wrinkle.

As for the rest of your "response", fine, I'll respond:
Lol, I knew somebody like you would get their panties all in a bunch over that comment.

How is my personal bigotry on display? . . .

If you really think there is any bigotry in that opinion then you really need to calm down.
Your personal bigotry is on display in virtually every post and link you offer up. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain who can read. I quoted one glaring example; I can't be bothered to cite them all.

FYI, I don't wear panties, and I couldn't possibly be more calm, cool, and collected. :cool:

( LOL hahahahaha )
 
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I don't believe this makes any sense. Your point may be true, but in the format of a logical syllogism, it doesn't work.

As political strategy it works and that's the point of the entire network. FoxFauxFixed News is really little more than the marketing/propaganda arm of the Republican Party.

I mean really, you have to be quite dim to not get it.

Americans are pretty darn dim..............

Most Americans Can't Name Any Supreme Court Justices
Cable News Ratings July 2010: Fox News Dominates, MSNBC Tops CNN

But hey we do know who Paris Hilton is and 'Chicken of The Sea' is tuna? Or is it chicken? You be the judge.
 
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Like I said, I have no way of defending my opinion except for my own personal experiences which have led me to this conclusion. Whether it's my black friends, black people I've lived with, basketball teams where I've had black teammates (including one's where I was the only white player on the team), black people I've come across, listening to black people (like the black dude on Hardball yesterday lol), or whatever, my general experiences with black people have influenced my beliefs on the matter.
I'm calling up the NAACP right now dude, to see if they'll issue you their "Honorary Negro" certificate.

LOL hahaha whatever.

Why not? :biggrin1:
Oh, you know . . . :wink: