FOX News hasn't reported this! Gee, wonder why?

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Well you must not watch Fox. This has been reported and discussed.
Yeah agreed.

And as I said in another thread on this issue

Before people start patting Obama on the back, the deficit is still hundreds of billions of dollars higher than it was pre-financial crisis (and that was during a time we were fighting an unfunded war). And as the article stated, it's projected to widen long term due to that word the NYT hates to use, "entitlements".

But hey, at least were under $1 trillion annually. Only took us 5 years! And the world still doesn't seem to care that we have no intention of paying off $17 trillion in debt so that's good.
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God bless President Obama for his steady hand and for getting Obamacare passed which has cut medical costs, the single largest driver of the deficit.

Congressional Budget Office (CBO)

LaVorgna: New CBO Report Signals End Of QE - Business Insider

Bombshell CBO Report Says the Deficit
You say it is the single largest drive of the deficit, but at a quick glance I didnt see much in regards to obamacare. I saw a reference to this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/b...=1&adxnnlx=1368015220-dbH/6LXDiR17SSVANZi/PA&
Which DOES say that spending is down for healthcare, but mostly due to the recession. It also later says, "but come 2014, the significant expansion of insurance coverage through the Affordable Care Act will start to increase national health spending by hundreds of billions of dollars, although the underlying pace of inflation might remain low."

Kudos for a lower deficit, hope it stays lower and eventually becomes a surplus with continued growth and reasonable taxes.
 

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My insurance premiums went up 60% starting in June. Also everything is 80-20 and deductible is 10,000 for single and 20,000 for family plan. So I pay $1,200 per month for my health insurance and have to meet $20,000 first before they will pay the 80%. Medication is not included in the 20,000 ded. Oh and it will only pay for Generics too. Most of the doctors around here have dropped all their medicare patients and do not take any new medicade patients either. My brother n laws doctor is cash only. He had dropped all medicare, medicade and insurance patients. You pay $2000 up front for a membership to see him, then you have to pay full price for an office call and any test he runs. Cash ONLY! Most doctors are going to this as well. Please tell me how the Obamacare has helped me.
 

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God bless President Obama for his steady hand and for getting Obamacare passed which has cut medical costs, the single largest driver of the deficit.

Congressional Budget Office (CBO)

LaVorgna: New CBO Report Signals End Of QE - Business Insider

Bombshell CBO Report Says the Deficit

I may have missed it but where in any of the three articles you posted did it credit Obamacare for bringing down the deficit?

Obamacare has not and will not bring down healthcare costs. It may temporarily slow the rate of insurance premium increases, but once the market begins to flood with preexisting condition patients, premiums are going to sky rocket. This is the Trojan horses that will lead to the liberal holy grail- a single payer nationalized healthcare system. Obamacare is going to add trillions to the national debt.
 

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once the market begins to flood with preexisting condition patients, premiums are going to sky rocket.

So what's keeping health care premiums artificially low is that people with pre-existing medical conditions pay exorbitantly higher premiums or are shut out of the market altogether? How the fuck is that even moral?
 

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So what's keeping health care premiums artificially low is that people with pre-existing medical conditions pay exorbitantly higher premiums or are shut out of the market altogether? How the fuck is that even moral?

Its not artificially low. It just hasnt increased at quite the accelerated rate that it has in prevous years.

How is it moral??? being able to purchase insurance after you get sick defeats the purpose of insurance!!! Its like saying why pay a $100 every month for auto insurance when you can simply purchase it after you wreck your car. Its not "moral" to everyone else who has been paying it for years and have never used the benefit of it, but rather their premiums keep goin up to cober dead beats under the new law. its bullshit. If you can afford insurance and you dont purchase it and you get sick, then that is your own fucking fault and problem, not mine or anyone elses. If you cant afford insurance then apply for medicaid. Medicaid and medicare are better than most private payers anyways.
 

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Its not artificially low. It just hasnt increased at quite the accelerated rate that it has in prevous years.

How is it moral??? being able to purchase insurance after you get sick defeats the purpose of insurance!!! Its like saying why pay a $100 every month for auto insurance when you can simply purchase it after you wreck your car. Its not "moral" to everyone else who has been paying it for years and have never used the benefit of it, but rather their premiums keep goin up to cober dead beats under the new law. its bullshit. If you can afford insurance and you dont purchase it and you get sick, then that is your own fucking fault and problem, not mine or anyone elses. If you cant afford insurance then apply for medicaid. Medicaid and medicare are better than most private payers anyways.
So when a child is born with asthma and can't get insured it is the fault of the parents? The person who develops sickle cell anemia is at fault for having that gene in the first place? It may surprise you that insurance companies will use any excuse to avoid paying out any money:rolleyes:
 

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Treatment of pre-existing conditions isnt a viable plan really. PCIP (the program that Obama is using until 2014 when obamacare fully kicks in) isnt accepting any new members because it is too expensive. This is even with lower than expected members joining.
Obamacare's Pre-Existing Conditions Plan Closed to New Enrollees - WatchdogWire - Nevada

There needs to be something done about the costs themselves, rather than just being covered by insurance. The rest of the world has SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper healthcare... the US is basically subsidizing healthcare for everybody else.

Basically, you need to ask yourself:
Do you want more cures and medicines or do you want lower costs?
 

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Treatment of pre-existing conditions isnt a viable plan really. PCIP (the program that Obama is using until 2014 when obamacare fully kicks in) isnt accepting any new members because it is too expensive. This is even with lower than expected members joining.
Obamacare's Pre-Existing Conditions Plan Closed to New Enrollees - WatchdogWire - Nevada

There needs to be something done about the costs themselves, rather than just being covered by insurance. The rest of the world has SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper healthcare... the US is basically subsidizing healthcare for everybody else.

Basically, you need to ask yourself:
Do you want more cures and medicines or do you want lower costs?
We all know that the Congressional members that are in the pockets of big Pharma would go crazy if the American people demanded that healthcare be placed above profit. The cries of socialism would be deafening.
Why should the same aspirin that costs us $6 a bottle at CVS cost $20 per pill in a hospital?
 

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So when a child is born with asthma and can't get insured it is the fault of the parents? The person who develops sickle cell anemia is at fault for having that gene in the first place? It may surprise you that insurance companies will use any excuse to avoid paying out any money:rolleyes:

Leave it to a liberal to point to the exception as an excuse to fuck everyone. Children and babies are different. No one would argue that they shouldnt be covered. And im not going to defend Insurance companies because I know they're shit. Insurance companies are in the busines to make money for their shareholders, not to insure people. However, the rise in premiums and the cutting of benefits arent due to the fact they are making a gazillion dollars. They are simple trying to keep up with the constant rise in cost so they can continue to make a profit. The health care industry is a perfect example of what happens when you remove market principles.
 

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My insurance premiums went up 60% starting in June. Also everything is 80-20 and deductible is 10,000 for single and 20,000 for family plan. So I pay $1,200 per month for my health insurance and have to meet $20,000 first before they will pay the 80%. Medication is not included in the 20,000 ded. Oh and it will only pay for Generics too. Most of the doctors around here have dropped all their medicare patients and do not take any new medicade patients either. My brother n laws doctor is cash only. He had dropped all medicare, medicade and insurance patients. You pay $2000 up front for a membership to see him, then you have to pay full price for an office call and any test he runs. Cash ONLY! Most doctors are going to this as well. Please tell me how the Obamacare has helped me.

This is happening everywhere. This is the year that they predicted private premiums would sky rocket and its happening.
 

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Leave it to a liberal to point to the exception as an excuse to fuck everyone. Children and babies are different. No one would argue that they shouldnt be covered. And im not going to defend Insurance companies because I know they're shit. Insurance companies are in the busines to make money for their shareholders, not to insure people. However, the rise in premiums and the cutting of benefits arent due to the fact they are making a gazillion dollars. They are simple trying to keep up with the constant rise in cost so they can continue to make a profit. The health care industry is a perfect example of what happens when you remove market principles.

Yes, it does appear that they are simply struggling to get by like the rest of us. People don't realize that $50 million doesn't go very far these days.

Aetna CEO latest health exec with big payday
 

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Leave it to a liberal to point to the exception as an excuse to fuck everyone. Children and babies are different. No one would argue that they shouldnt be covered. And im not going to defend Insurance companies because I know they're shit. Insurance companies are in the busines to make money for their shareholders, not to insure people. However, the rise in premiums and the cutting of benefits arent due to the fact they are making a gazillion dollars. They are simple trying to keep up with the constant rise in cost so they can continue to make a profit. The health care industry is a perfect example of what happens when you remove market principles.
Awww, poor Roger:rolleyes: Going by your posting history you prefer it be fuck everyone else as long as you get yours. You bitch about how people who want insurance after they get sick are the problem and when presented with exceptions you choose to ignore the example that doesn't make you look heartless.

Here ya go.....learn something new
New Report Examines Insurance Company Practice of Denying Coverage To or Discriminating Against Americans Who Have Pre-Existing Medical Conditions
The insurance company practice of denying coverage because of pre-existing conditions is not confined to serious diseases. Even minor problems such as hay fever could trigger prohibitive responses. An insurer could charge high premiums, deny coverage, or set a restriction such as denying any respiratory disease coverage to a person with hay fever, according to the report.
What’s more, some insurance companies respond to an expensive condition such as cancer by initiating a thorough review of the patient’s health insurance application. If the company discovers that any medical condition, regardless of how minor, was not reported on the application, it could revoke coverage retroactively for the patient and possibly all members of the patient’s family, the report said. The practice is known as rescission.
Companies can do this even if the condition found is not related to the expensive condition or if the person wasn’t aware of the condition at the time.
At least one company encouraged employees to revoke sick people’s health coverage through rescissions, the report said.


I used to be a licensed insurance agent(life, health, and annuities) so I am fully aware of the tricks insurance companies can play to avoid paying anything out so no argument there.
 

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I may have missed it but where in any of the three articles you posted did it credit Obamacare for bringing down the deficit?

Obamacare has not and will not bring down healthcare costs. It may temporarily slow the rate of insurance premium increases, but once the market begins to flood with preexisting condition patients, premiums are going to sky rocket. This is the Trojan horses that will lead to the liberal holy grail- a single payer nationalized healthcare system. Obamacare is going to add trillions to the national debt.

The market is already flooded with patients who have pre-existing conditions. I am a nurse at a community hospital. What, you think we just let people suffer and die because they don't have insurance? These patients are costing you more now than your obamacare payments will be.

Do you think people choose to be unhealthy? Many pre-existing health problems are a direct result of a free market, but I'm sure data like that falls on deaf ears and I'm nothing but a tree-hugging libtard. (Recent research, by the way, suggests that tree-hugging is good for human health...that pesky liberal science)
 
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Not even what I was talking about, but thanks for the rant. People with PEC haven't been able to buy affordable insurance for decades. Stratifying the health care insurance market by cost of conditions is immoral. If my child or spouse has spina bifida, should we be forced to sell the house to afford insurance? If you get cancer, should your insurance be able to not renew your policy or charge you many multiples of what you were paying before? And once someone is shut out, you now want to ensure they can't get back in.

People couldn't "buy in" for many years, either because insurance was unavailable to them or unaffordable, and now you're saying that ship has sailed entirely?

I do think everyone should be in the (same) pool from day one. The only way to do that effectively is with universal coverage. There are many, many models of it, from the UK's to Germany's.