Frank and Common Sense Words From Republican General Colin Powell

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amongst my friends Colin Powell has always been well respected, i have always liked his views on most things as well..
for a non American, i dont mind saying, there were several times i had a passing thought, he could have possibly made out to be a fine President!
 

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Powell might have made an excellent choice for president, not that I EVER believed his party would EVER have given him the nod.

Of concern too would've been to what degree any candidate can distance himself from his party's agenda, and in the end, the GOP platform (what they STAND for) is always (for me) the determining factor.

He has since distanced himself from and has been highly critical (as evidenced in the above interview) of his party on several fronts. Yet he remains a Republican, much to my amazement (and apparently to Andrea Mitchell's as well).

I've ALWAYS though he'd gone to the "wrong party".
 

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I've ALWAYS though he'd gone to the "wrong party".






Yes true
i had thought of that at one stage as well
still, know very little in-depth re inner workings of Am Politics, all surface thoughts,at the time and now
know very little tbh ha, Thanks for the response tho, interesting ..
 

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Powell might have made an excellent choice for president, not that I EVER believed his party would EVER have given him the nod.

Of concern too would've been to what degree any candidate can distance himself from his party's agenda, and in the end, the GOP platform (what they STAND for) is always (for me) the determining factor.

He has since distanced himself from and has been highly critical (as evidenced in the above interview) of his party on several fronts. Yet he remains a Republican, much to my amazement (and apparently to Andrea Mitchell's as well).

I've ALWAYS though he'd gone to the "wrong party".

We will never know whether he could have been the Republican Party nominee, will we? There was a time not too long ago people said this country would never elect an African American president. I heard these same people say after he was elected that he will be assassinated (and these were people who voted for him), so never say never.

Personally, I think condoleeza rice is smarter, and more diplomatic, than both Powell and Obama ( he's not even in her league). Tim Scott is very impressive. Would be interesting to see if he was able to get African American voters to cross party lines.
 

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I've always held the belief (unfounded thought it may be) that Powell withdrew himself from any consideration for the GOP nomination to spare himself from that particular drama and probable disappointment. I COULD be wrong, though I doubt it.

As for Tim Scott, he MIGHT get a smidgen of black voters to cross party lines (maybe about the same as a Clarence Thomas would), but contrary to popular belief, blacks DO vote on positions the candidates themselves take and that of the candidate's party "line".

As found out in our recent mayoral election here in N.O., the assumption that black people are automatically going to vote for black candidates is a FOOL'S assumption.
 
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I've always held the belief (unfounded thought it may be) that Powell withdrew himself from any consideration for the GOP nomination to spare himself from that particular drama and probable disappointment. I COULD be wrong, though I doubt it.

As for Tim Scott, he MIGHT get a smidgen of black voters to cross party lines (maybe about the same a Clarence Thomas would), but contrary to popular belief, blacks DO vote on positions the candidates themselves take and that of the candidate's party "line".

As found out in our recent mayoral election here in N.O., the assumption that black people are automatically going to vote for black candidates is a FOOL'S assumption.

Hope that's true. Laundries was personally endorsed by Obama, which I suspect helped his campaign in this situation.
 

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Hope that's true. Laundries was personally endorsed by Obama, which I suspect helped his campaign in this situation.


He was? pfft... news to ME, and I'd suspect to many. (That must explain how he won the first time as well.)

But easier for you to believe than we'd be able to fuckin' FIGURE IT OUT ALL BY OURSELVES, eh?
 
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He was? pfft... news to ME, and I'd suspect to many. (That must explain how he won the first time as well.)

But easier for you to believe than we'd be able to fuckin' FIGURE IT OUT ALL BY OURSELVES, eh?

Not so different from you assertion that the GOP party couldn't nominate Powell as a presidential nominee.

(Responded in the wrong thread)
 

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Not so different from you assertion that the GOP party couldn't nominate Powell as a presidential nominee.

(Responded in the wrong thread)

As I said in my reply to your misposted response, my assessment of Powell's chances of being nominated by the GOP was clearly my OPINION, and they have yet to prove me wrong on that account.

But since we're examining presuppositions here, I find it odd you'd suggest that black folk in my city might have voted for Landrieu because Obama endorsed him, but you gave NO consideration to the possibility that Obama opponents and/or some whites may have voted AGAINST him because of it.

Just as interesting your earlier statement (in another thread) that 95% of black folk vote for black candidates, solely based on that candidate's race (a position you seem to cling to in spite of acknowledging yourself that it was an "ignorant" thing to say). But oddly you make NO mention of even the POSSIBILITY that some white folk may vote against a black candidate for that exact same reason. (Or perhaps you think they couldn't possibly be guilty of anything so rankly IGNORANT as being racially prejudiced for or against a candidate.)

Get my drift? Cuts both ways, doesn't it?

But hey, champ. That's quite alright. Let 'em keep right on with underestimating US. Keep making stupid assumptions, keep trying to disenfranchise, discourage, and intimidate voters, keep trying to impede our ability to vote by closing polls up early and all that other dirty sh*t they like to pull.

WHATEVER you do, GOP, DON'T listen to Powell.
 
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As I said in my reply to your misposted response, my assessment of Powell's chances of being nominated by the GOP was clearly my OPINION, and they have yet to prove me wrong on that account.

But since we're examining presuppositions here, I find it odd you'd suggest that black folk in my city might have voted for Landrieu because Obama endorsed him, but you gave NO consideration to the possibility that Obama opponents and/or some whites may have voted AGAINST him because of it.

Just as interesting your earlier statement (in another thread) that 95% of black folk vote for black candidates, solely based on that candidate's race (a position you seem to cling to in spite of acknowledging yourself that it was an "ignorant" thing to say). But oddly you make NO mention of even the POSSIBILITY that some white folk may vote against a black candidate for that exact same reason. (Or perhaps you think they couldn't possibly be guilty of anything so rankly IGNORANT as being racially prejudiced for or against a candidate.)

Get my drift? Cuts both ways, doesn't it?

But hey, champ. That's quite alright. Let 'em keep right on with underestimating US. Keep making stupid assumptions, keep trying to disenfranchise, discourage, and intimidate voters, keep trying to impede our ability to vote by closing polls up early and all that other dirty sh*t they like to pull.

WHATEVER you do, GOP, DON'T listen to Powell.

To clarify, I never said 95% of "black folks" (I would never use that term) vote for black candidates as a generalization. I quoted that 97% of African Americans voted for Obama for president. This is a commonly used stat, so nothing implied here. As to my comment that it was ignorant to assume this might be based on his race, that was sarcasm. You missed this altogether. And, like your "opinion" (back pedal) that the GOP party could never nominate Colin Powell as a presidential candidate based on his race, this is just my humble opinion.
 

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Mr. Powell's decision whether to run or not run for President was dictated by the boss of his house.
 

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To clarify, I never said 95% of "black folks" (I would never use that term) vote for black candidates as a generalization. I quoted that 97% of African Americans voted for Obama for president. This is a commonly used stat, so nothing implied here. As to my comment that it was ignorant to assume this might be based on his race, that was sarcasm. You missed this altogether. And, like your "opinion" (back pedal) that the GOP party could never nominate Colin Powell as a presidential candidate based on his race, this is just my humble opinion.

Oh. Okay. So in other words you were TRULY being ignorant (IF not "more") by assuming that 97% of African Americans couldn't have possibly voted for Obama because we thought him the better man of either of his two challengers. Gotcha.

Forgive me for giving you TOO much credit and not realizing who (or what) I was responding to.

As for the GOP's ability to nominate Powell (or any black candidate for that matter), I hope to see them prove me wrong (though I'll not hold my breath).
 

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Oh. Okay. So in other words you were TRULY being ignorant (IF not "more") by assuming that 97% of African Americans couldn't have possibly voted for Obama because we thought him the better man of either of his two challengers. Gotcha.

Forgive me for giving you TOO much credit and not realizing who (or what) I was responding to.

As for the GOP's ability to nominate Powell (or any black candidate for that matter), I hope to see them prove me wrong (though I'll not hold my breath).

It's interesting that you will say that people would agree with and vote for President Obama without needing to do so because of his race; but when people oppose the President or vote against him race is an undeniable factor.

And save your Ace, Bud, Pal, Champ, Sport condescending bullcrap.
 

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It's interesting that you will say that people would agree with and vote for President Obama without needing to do so because of his race; but when people oppose the President or vote against him race is an undeniable factor.

And save your Ace, Bud, Pal, Champ, Sport condescending bullcrap.

Thanks. Glad someone was able to see through this. I love when he hides being his "opinion". Apparently thinks it gives him free reign to make accusations and walk away. Whatever.

You know, the Ace, Bud, Champ are condescending enough, but what about the ignorant, stupid and f- bombs that get lobbed?? Nasty, nasty...my mom used to say that people who resort to these words do not have vast vocabularies.
 

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It's interesting that you will say that people would agree with and vote for President Obama without needing to do so because of his race;

Yes, his race was/is not necessarily a factor in voting for Obama. His beliefs, values, party platform, positions on issues ARE. Conversely, a candidate such as a Clarence Thomas, for example, would have a snowball's chance in HELL of getting MY vote.


but when people oppose the President or vote against him race is an undeniable factor.

And save your Ace, Bud, Pal, Champ, Sport condescending bullcrap.

Sport?? I don't recall using "sport". Anyway,

I didn't say race was the ONLY factor. What I said was that the degree of UNPRECEDENTED opposition faced by this administration leads one to conclude that Obama's race has been a factor.

And I'm not the only one who has made this observation... Sillystring.

If you view the video of Powell's interview, posted above, he clearly suggests that bigotry has had too much leeway within the ranks of his own party. Are we to deny the truth of it??
 
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Thanks. Glad someone was able to see through this. I love when he hides being his "opinion". Apparently thinks it gives him free reign to make accusations and walk away. Whatever.

You know, the Ace, Bud, Champ are condescending enough, but what about the ignorant, stupid and f- bombs that get lobbed?? Nasty, nasty...my mom used to say that people who resort to these words do not have vast vocabularies.

A person's opinion is only infallible until someone else's opinion enters the room.

As for bad words and such, they're conversation flavor and don't speak to intelligence. Many smart people say many filthy things, but I will agree it is a poor place to go to prove a point on an anonymous big dick site's politics section.
 

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Yes, his race was/is not necessarily a factor in voting for Obama. His beliefs, values, party platform, positions on issues ARE. Conversely, a candidate such as a Clarence Thomas, for example, would have a snowball's chance in HELL of getting MY vote.




Sport?? I don't recall using "sport". Anyway,

I didn't say race was the ONLY factor. What I said was that the degree of UNPRECEDENTED opposition faced by this administration leads one to conclude that Obama's race has been a factor.

And I'm not the only one who has made this observation... Sillystring.

If you view the video of Powell's interview, posted above, he clearly suggests that bigotry has had too much leeway within the ranks of his own party. Are we to deny the truth of it??

You have said this repeatedly, and this is what I take issue with. In your view the "UNPRECEDENTED (again with the caps) opposition" faced by this administration leads one to conclude that obamas race has been a factor. In notice this is finally a step back from your prior commented stating it must be race since "what else could it be"? I challenged this since you are inserting race as the only possible explanation, as it has nothing to do with his extreme liberal policies, his poor leadership (examples which I have outlined previously, and won't go over yet again), his egotistical approach (recently said "I can do whatever I want"), and failures to unite us as a nation. No, couldn't have anything to do with any of these, it must be his race! THAT is ignorant, and dismissive of anyone's intelligence or opinion because it doesn't match yours, and after all, what else could it be! Do you realize by using race as the crutch for every challenge to Obama only minimizes it's significance when race may be an issue?! Think that one through. Keep crying wolf.
 

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A person's opinion is only infallible until someone else's opinion enters the room.

As for bad words and such, they're conversation flavor and don't speak to intelligence. Many smart people say many filthy things, but I will agree it is a poor place to go to prove a point on an anonymous big dick site's politics section.

Agreed. We are all passionate about our opinions. But I chose (try, and may fail from time to time) to avoid condescending words or comments, or do so when attacked first. No need to repeatedly lose respect and sink to this type of language when someone doesn't share your views, which appears to be his MO.