Franken is in, Coleman is out

Discussion in 'Politics' started by HazelGod, Jun 30, 2009.

  1. HazelGod

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2006
    Messages:
    7,531
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    9
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The Other Side of the Pillow
    The Minnesota Supreme Court has ruled that Al Franken was the winner of the statewide race for US Senate, defeating Norm Coleman by a margin of 312 votes.

    Franken will become the 60th member of the upper chamber in the DEM caucus.
     
  2. B_Nick8

    B_Nick8 New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2007
    Messages:
    11,912
    Likes Received:
    44
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    New York City, by way of Marblehead, Boston and Ge
    It's about f-in time. Sheesh.
     
  3. Industrialsize

    Staff Member Moderator Gold Member

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2006
    Messages:
    24,286
    Albums:
    2
    Likes Received:
    2,152
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    United States
    It was a unanimous 5-0 decision. Now Pawlenty NEEDS to sign off on it.
     
  4. B_Monster

    B_Monster New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2005
    Messages:
    4,773
    Likes Received:
    9
    No more Philly-Busters for awhile
     
  5. vince

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2007
    Messages:
    14,785
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    539
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Asia
    He said the other day on CNN that he would be duty bound to do just that.

    Unless.... there was an appeal to the US Supreme court.
    (there's always a weasel clause in politics)
     
  6. B_Nick8

    B_Nick8 New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2007
    Messages:
    11,912
    Likes Received:
    44
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    New York City, by way of Marblehead, Boston and Ge
    I heard that as well.
     
  7. Ajacoid

    Ajacoid Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2009
    Messages:
    33
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Albuquerque, NM, USA
    Gotta wonder about these votes they found for Franken. Especially if you consider they found more votes than there are registered voters in certain areas. Statistically it is a huge imposibility that the newly discovered votes, after the first count, would break for Franken the way they did. This thing smells more fishy than the Dutch haring fleet.

    Regardless, Franken a senator, even if he won legit (which I don't believe for a nano-second), is a joke. Now B. Hussein Obama will have a 60-40 filibuster proof senate. I'm sure the libs are celebrating, but having lived under socialism, having studied history, I am afraid this could be the end of America and its founding principles.

    I never thought this country could bring forth enough whiners and losers who want, nay, expect, the government to take care of them, and actually believe they'll be better off in the process. Now we all will get the same quality healthcare as the VA provides for veterans. Now we will get to pay taxes through the nose, because no government program ever stays on budget (nor does it ever accomplish what it is supposed to for that matter). Obama, Pelosi, and Reid believe you can keep taxing people who make the economy going. No country in the world has ever taxed and spent itself into prosperity!

    Enough voters put a gun against the American head during the last election, and now Obama will have the votes in congress to pull the trigger.
     
  8. D_Martin van Burden

    D_Martin van Burden Account Disabled

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2002
    Messages:
    3,365
    Likes Received:
    6
    I'm calling bull on the previous post. I'll be quick about this.

    1. Coleman had more than sufficient time and attempts to present new, compelling evidence that simply failed to demonstrate sufficient proof. I'll never forget the Youtube footage in which a lawyer exhaustedly says, "What can I do to prove it to you?" to the judge. Please. Simply put, he's running out of options which is highly ironic considering his demand that Franken give up the recount from day one.

    2. Yes, Obama's middle name is Hussein. Yes, we know it. No, he's not a terrorist. Yes, we get the implicit suggestion; no, it isn't working!

    3. I wish I could agree with you about the filibuster-proof. I'm upset that Democrats aren't being more aggressive with policy. They are afraid to wrest control now that they have it, and the compromise (so-called bipartisanship) results in wet and weak fall-shorts. We have a really steep learning curve in American politics. We keep trying things that don't work, pretending as if a new result will occur. We need free-market competition? We need antitrust law to deal with it. We need to shop around for health care? Shopping doesn't compel HMOs and pharmaceuticals to maintain a quality AND accessible product. Banks are too big to fail? Well, they're continuing to fail!

    4. It's really ironic that I have paid out more in taxes under Bush's term, and all I've got to show for it are a pointless war built on rhetoric and foolishness. I think if people actually believe in the reasoning behind paying taxes, that we'd be willing to let that money go. That said, if my tax dollar builds better health care and renewable resources -- go ahead, have fun with it.

    5. My real worry about Obama is that he's still playing softball and resentment is growing, but I'd take that insecurity any day over other politicians who just don't get it.
     
  9. Ajacoid

    Ajacoid Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2009
    Messages:
    33
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Albuquerque, NM, USA
    Bull on the bull. Why was it taboo to use his middle name during the election?

    I guess you all need to experience the 'marvel' of socialism and have this country's economy and competitive position destroyed in the process before you'll come to your senses. I wish at that point I could point at you and go 'see I told you so,' but I'll be mourning the death of America.

    For the record, not a Bush fan (in more than one way). Government as a whole sucks.
     
  10. D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2007
    Messages:
    1,539
    Likes Received:
    1
    Hmmmm.

    "Ajacoid" writes:

    Gotta wonder about these votes they found for Franken. Especially if you consider they found more votes than there are registered voters in certain areas....


    (hmmm. This "more votes than voters" factoid was a regular conspiracy theme with many conservative lpsg posters who've recently left the site or have been banned... And this new poster joined --- um, yesterday... Now, I agree about more votes than voters in, say, Iran with the Ahmadinejad scandal... but with Franken? Please post a valid link to cite your "proof")


    Regardless, Franken a senator, even if he won legit (which I don't believe for a nano-second), is a joke. Now B. Hussein Obama will have a 60-40 filibuster proof senate.


    (oh, yes, "Ajacoid" now attempts to demonize Obama -- just as Palin did last fall -- with the "B. Hussein Obama" bit ---- Hussein is a middle-eastern name and we're all supposed to get dutifully paranoid and anti-muslim at the sound.... Hey, Ajacoid, none of us here gets frightened and squishy when you play the "Hussein" card - you'll have to do better than that. Take that trash to a partisan conservative website and then you can bring up the "factoid" that Obama was schooled in a radical madrassa... nor does he have a valid U.S. birth certificate)



    I never thought this country could bring forth enough whiners and losers... same quality healthcare as the VA provides for veterans. Now we will get to pay taxes through the nose... Obama, Pelosi, and Reid believe you can keep taxing people who make the economy going. No country in the world has ever taxed and spent itself into prosperity!



    (ahh, my head is aching... just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water... whoever you are "Ajacoid", I welcome your reincarnated self back to the site... or if you're truly new, you're spouting the exact same shopworn talking points as every other 2-bit hack conservative that's graciously graced the site....Welcome. )
     
    #10 D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse, Jun 30, 2009
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2009
  11. Industrialsize

    Staff Member Moderator Gold Member

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2006
    Messages:
    24,286
    Albums:
    2
    Likes Received:
    2,152
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    United States
    Coleman concedes!
     
  12. cruztbone

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2004
    Messages:
    1,291
    Likes Received:
    2
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Capitola CA USA
    AT LAST !! Minnesota, even with 2 senators, you still got Pawlenty of nothing in St. Paul. Time to dump his ass next year.

    God bless Al Franken. God bless President Obama. Long live the constitution of the United States of America !!

    arent you glad this isnt Honduras?
     
  13. HazelGod

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2006
    Messages:
    7,531
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    9
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The Other Side of the Pillow
    Look everyone...'festor is back! :rolleyes:
     
  14. houtx48

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2006
    Messages:
    7,095
    Likes Received:
    35
    Gender:
    Male
    "I never thought this country could bring forth enough whiners and losers who want,".... talk about whiners. got a mirror pal?
     
  15. Zeuhl34

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2008
    Messages:
    2,104
    Albums:
    2
    Likes Received:
    40
    Gender:
    Male
    I wouldn't say it's taboo, but I would say it's a pretty cheap shot. He has an Arabic middle name, and by repeating and emphasizing it over and over and over they were trying to make him sound like a terrorist. It certainly isn't off-limits, but in the hope of good taste, it really shouldn't be used. It would be like if there were a presidential candidate named John Adolf Shwartz, and every detractor kept emphasizing the "Adolf," attempting to build a connection to Hitler. Certainly not technically off-limits, but common decency should prevent most people from using a negatively-connoted middle name as a hindrance to the candidate.
     
  16. D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2007
    Messages:
    1,539
    Likes Received:
    1
    Well Hung Nerd: You know very well that "Ajacoid" - or whatever the hell this posters real identity is -- understands the cheap hacky partisan advantage of using "Hussein" to stir up a little base fear. This is what Sarah Palin was so adept at doing at her backwater trailer-park rallies last fall. She would emphasize "Hussein" instead of Barack, then she would go on to make a discredited "link" between Saddam Hussein and al qaeda. She would then bring up Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers and play up the "socialist" angle until those hick rallyers were so worked up that some even shout "KILL HIM!", which is all caught on tape and posted on youtube.


    Ajacoid writes: Bull on the bull. Why was it taboo to use his middle name during the election?

    (ahh, look at that... butter wouldn't melt in his mouth... "Ajacoid" claims to have NO IDEA why using "Hussein" during the campaign might be construed in a negative way... YET in Ajacoid's previous post:)

    Ajacoid writes: Now B. Hussein Obama will have a 60-40 filibuster proof senate. I'm sure the libs are celebrating...

    --------------------

    Ajacoid knows precisely that micro-focusing on "Hussein" stirs up the same base fears in uneducated americans as G.W. Bush's "orange" security alerts, or the phrase "Socialized Medicine" or a Swift Boat Vets for "Truth" ad (demonizing Kerry's service in Vietnam -- a guy who ACTUALLY SERVED his country -- unlike the Bush/Cheney Dodgers' team... Bush did a state-side thing with the Texas National Guard, and Cheney managed to avoid the draft at the virtual last minute).
     
  17. D_Tully Tunnelrat

    D_Tully Tunnelrat New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,168
    Likes Received:
    1
    Great points Dee. Obama is not being bold enough on healthcare, finance reform, the two wars, and reigning in fiscal spending. We're still in a very deep hole, but no longer in free fall.

    I cannot believe it took 8 months to recount and formalize this election. Pathetic. A statewide re-vote would have taken far less time. I'm very pleased Franken is in. 60 votes in the Senate well gives the Dems no excuses to move boldly forward. Unlike Sen. Wellstone, one of my favorite teachers, and politicians, Mr. Franken will not be getting a pay raise when he goes to D.C, but the Senate may develop a sense of humor.
     
  18. Phil Ayesho

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2008
    Messages:
    5,592
    Likes Received:
    880
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    San Diego
    This is worse than stupid... it's unfounded.
    They have not found more votes than voters.

    Statistically, anyone who understands elections will tell you that only an imbecile asks for a recount if they are republican. There are more democrats than republicans and more independents lean democrat than republican. Those whose votes are most likely to be missed are overwhelmingly democratic voters due to reasons of income and education.

    Ergo... ALL recounts discover uncounted votes, but all recounts, overall, find more democratic votes than republican votes. The larger the sample, the larger the skew toward democratic votes.

    This is why Bush's handlers had the cunning to do everything in their power to STOP the recount in Florida... Statistics PROVE that, had the recount progressed, Al Gore would have won by several thousand votes.

    What an imbecile. It takes BRAINS to be a comic. A quick wit. Its why Coulter always ended up looking like a dipshit when up against Franken.

    Franken has nearly 50 IQ points on Bush... and god knows how many over Reagan, Gingrich and the most recent republican to embarrass himself with his "promisekeepers" hypocrisy.

    Further- you have not studied history if you think the US is in any danger of turning to "socialism"... either that, or you haven't the slightest idea what the fuck socialism is.

    The Conservatives spend like drunken sailors when it comes to sailors... army, air force and the like...
    Guess what nimrod? The Military is SOCIALISM at work.

    Bet you will be standing in line with your fucking hand out for your Social security check when the time comes, too... And you bet your sweet ass when you turn 65 and no private insurer will cover you that you will be demanding lower prescription prices thru medicare... which is a socialized medical system. But which we have because private insurers simply will not cover the people who might need care.


    I am sick to death of you republican doofi talking out both sides of your faces.

    The members of the legislature, the supreme court and the executive branch get SOCIALIZED health care, for life, without ANY limitations. ANd they have a separate socialized pension plan that is NEVER in danger of underfunding, because they just keep voting it whatever funds it needs...

    15 of the 16 zip codes with the LONGEST life span in the US are affluent suburbs of Washington DC... You think that's a fluke?


    Grow up and wise up... the Republicans have sold you on a bunch of hogwash they themselves are not even stupid enough to believe.

    They are robbing you blind while they make noise about socialism... why? because they are being PAID to.




    STFU. I know veterans. They actually have gotten good care until the Republicans came to power...



    You are a moron. We are already paying for healthcare... the only difference is that a large group of greedy fucks who have nothing whatsoever to do with your care are making themselves rich by bribing US politician to back a a huge corporate monopoly.

    The government taking over healthcare will actually cost us LESS- because EVERYONE will pay, and because the middlemen taking unwarranted profits will be eliminated.

    For example- you would have to be a class A moron to imagine that having Fed Ex or UPS take over mail delivery would result in LOWER postage costs...

    Thus far, all the competition in the world has not enabled ANY alternate carrier to beat the USPS at 42 cents per letter.

    Know why? Cause the government isn't charging you a profit on mail delivery.

    Only a idiot would think Blackwater could perform military operations for less than the Army.

    There's a reason we don't let private companies provide you with water, sewer and other essential services... because when you HAVE to buy... like with medical care- competition does not drive pricing lower... when you have to buy, free markets only result in price fixing.

    Here's the reason the notion of free markets is only believed by the reason impaired...
    In a truly free market the very first thing that happens is that the wealthy use their money to BUY favor and influence and skew the markets to their own benefit.

    Which means that the first thing to happen in a free market is market manipulation. Ergo... no free market...
    Of course the guys with money back free markets... because THEY understand it means THEY get the power to manipulate the markets and you don't.

    Just ask Madoff... the guys at Enron, the guys on Wall Street...
    Sure they destroyed the world economy... but man, this past 12 years they have made a KILLING doing so...

    ALL those Trillions of dollars that were "lost"- where do you think they went?

    Into private accounts of the guys who had all the pull with the republicans...
     
  19. midlifebear

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2007
    Messages:
    5,908
    Likes Received:
    11
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Nevada, Buenos Aires, and Barçelona
    I suspect that WillTom is on to something. Several "famous" ultra right flame/hate mongers seem to have disappeared. Yet, suddenly we have a "new" LPSG-er who writes in the exact same style, including syntax, as one of the previously annoying posters? I call foul and ask for a moderator or the administrator to ping the "new" member's IP adddress to confirm that he's not a previously banned twit who has come back to haunt us.

    However, I'm rather relieved to know that Franken is now the 60th Democratic senator. I'm spending almost 180 Euros a month now just to have the clutch of USA news channels in addition to the regular Spanish/Catalán programming simply to keep an eye on what's going on in the USA. I'm very interested in reading the Vanity Fair tell-all regarding Sarah-not-ready-for-prime-time-politics-Palin. It appears that many of McCain's advisers have been happy to "throw her under the bus" regarding her lack of tact, intelligence, and ability to govern.

    "Vote for Pedro."
     
  20. jason_els

    jason_els <img border="0" src="/images/badges/gold_member.gi

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2004
    Messages:
    10,576
    Likes Received:
    25
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Warwick, NY, USA
    I think that the Republicans have proven of late that they believe in common decency for everyone but themselves.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted