Free Sex in the German Army

[LuckyLuke]

With regard to the pink triangles, that is correct. The Nazi's had a whole system of coloured symbols to classify their concentration camp prisoners. In addition to the well known "yellow star of david" used for Jewish prisoners and the "pink triangle" for homosexuals, there was a black square I believe was for "political prisoners" and as well as one for Gypsies/Roma that I can't remember offhand.

Apart from the "Star of David" shape chosen to represent Jews, and perhaps the pink colour chosen to represent homosexuals, there is no other overt symbolism in the choice of symbols - they are rather simple colours and shapes.

 

[D_Humper E Bogart]

So they have "nothing" to do with the symbols that are in use today?

 

[LuckyLuke]

Originally posted by ORCABOMBER@Sep 13 2004, 07:12 AM
So they have "nothing" to do with the symbols that are in use today?

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I wouldn't say that. Certainly the gay community has 'adopted' the pink triangle from the Nazi Holocaust.

My only point there was that the Nazi's didn't have much of a 'system' for chosing the colours or the shapes besides the Star of David.

 

[D_Humper E Bogart]

Okay, it's always good to learn a "little" history, no?

 

[LuckyLuke]

Originally posted by ORCABOMBER@Sep 14 2004, 07:04 AM
Okay, it's always good to learn a "little" history, no?

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A "little" history? That makes me laugh! I'm practically obsessed about history - from the Sumerians right throught to WW2.

 

[D_Humper E Bogart]

Hey, I'm not as passionate, only because people are obsessed with "comparisons to WW2" nowadays.

 

[jonb]

Speaking of Godwin's law . . .

 

[LuckyLuke]

Originally posted by ORCABOMBER@Sep 15 2004, 07:12 AM
Hey, I'm not as passionate, only because people are obsessed with "comparisons to WW2" nowadays.

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Huh? Generally speaking, the public awareness of the facts of WW2 is generally deplorable. Media pundits & commentators are rarely much better informed.

And I for one have seen almost no references or comparisons with WW2 being made by anyone these days.

If anything, Vietnam seems rather more worthy of comparisons to the Iraqi invasion, given the similiar political issues involved (i.e. the natives don't agree and don't want and don't support their foreign 'liberators' or 'defenders' without a gun held to their heads) - exactly the same problem as was Vietnam.

 

[jonb]

My personal response to the WW2 comparisons is "No, but if I lived in Germany in '39, I would've been against invading Poland."

 

[B_RoysToy]

Originally posted by jonb@Sep 16 2004, 10:35 PM
My personal response to the WW2 comparisons is "No, but if I lived in Germany in '39, I would've been against invading Poland."

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Excellent thinking, jon, revealing your ability to draw similarities and emphasize with others.

 

[D_Humper E Bogart]

Jon, we need to send clones of you back in time to fix history.

LuckyLuke. yoy'll be surprised how "p*** killing in the name of freedom" is somehow related to the invasions by the fastest millitary power (at the time).

 

[LuckyLuke]

Originally posted by jonb@Sep 16 2004, 10:35 PM
My personal response to the WW2 comparisons is "No, but if I lived in Germany in '39, I would've been against invading Poland."

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And you'd probably would not lived to see 1940.

 

[jonb]

Originally posted by LuckyLuke@Sep 17 2004, 05:08 AM
And you'd probably would not lived to see 1940.

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I was mostly making reference to how the Bushies, Likudniks, and other neocons are busy comparing anyone against the war in Iraq to Neville Chamberlain.

The best way to deal with Nazi comparisons is to prove that they're more Nazi than you. For example, when Norquist compared the inheritance tax to the Holocaust, I was quickly on my newsgroups pointing out that Hitler basically left Big Business alone. (In fact, long before Jews were rounded up, communists, socialists, and trade unionists were all rounded up.)

 

[LuckyLuke]

Originally posted by jonb+Sep 17 2004, 11:36 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jonb &#064; Sep 17 2004, 11:36 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-LuckyLuke@Sep 17 2004, 05:08 AM
And you&#39;d probably would not lived to see 1940.

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I was mostly making reference to how the Bushies, Likudniks, and other neocons are busy comparing anyone against the war in Iraq to Neville Chamberlain.

The best way to deal with Nazi comparisons is to prove that they&#39;re more Nazi than you. For example, when Norquist compared the inheritance tax to the Holocaust, I was quickly on my newsgroups pointing out that Hitler basically left Big Business alone. (In fact, long before Jews were rounded up, communists, socialists, and trade unionists were all rounded up.)

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I don&#39;t think its possible to discuss anything rationaly with someone like Grover Norquist or any of his fanatic supporters.

And yes, Hitler was positively &#39;friendly&#39; to German big business all through the 1930&#39;s period. They were indeed the people who actually put him into power.

 

[13788]

YoungNHung19: Dominik20, let me clarify this for you. President Bush does NOT think being gay is an illness, he simply believes marriage is between man and woman, as does his opponent, John Kerry. Besides, Vice President Dick Cheney has a lesbian for a daughter, so the non-compassionate ignorant crap doesn&#39;t cut it with me.

 

[jonb]

Originally posted by YoungNHung19@Oct 12 2004, 08:39 PM
Dominik20, let me clarify this for you.  President Bush does NOT think being gay is an illness, he simply believes marriage is between man and woman, as does his opponent, John Kerry.  Besides, Vice President Dick Cheney has a lesbian for a daughter, so the non-compassionate ignorant crap doesn&#39;t cut it with me.

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Actually, in the Bible, it&#39;s between a man and more than one woman. You can even marry your niece. Marriage varies quite a bit across cultures; the strangest claim from the Right is the universality of the family as shown by 1950s sitcoms. Family itself universal, true, but most societies don&#39;t put Grandpa and Grandma in a home.

As for Cheney, he didn&#39;t disown his daughter (unlike Falwell). I guess doing what you&#39;re supposed to is enough for the Right.

 

[13788]

YoungNHung19: Stop trying to interpret the bible to your definition Jonb..there you go again with that extreme left wing agenda, spinning the facts. Cheney having a lesbian daughter is only proof that this administration has nothing against gay/lesbian people at all...at least Bush did not dodge this question like Kerry in there debate last night (Wed)...and then of course Kerry played dirty politics by mentioning Mary&#39;s name (Dick Cheney&#39;s daughter) and using her as an example..real low class.

 

[jonb]

More in the Bible: Jonathan&#39;s love for David was "surpassing that of a woman". Sounds kinda gay.