Freedom of Speech = Death

Discussion in 'Et Cetera, Et Cetera' started by faceking, Mar 20, 2008.

  1. faceking

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    I find it compelling, no sad, that most Americans aren't reacting and outraged at the response of many Muslims (nee Bin Laden) to the Danish cartoon drawings. You are still in denial, if you think it's Iraq that has these ppl pissed off, you are in denial if you think "reaching across the aisle" and "change and hope" is our number one priority. For anyone here who is not 100/0 and not abstinent unless married... they want you and your lifestyle dead. Do any of you get that? Seriously. To think there is so much hang up on the Christian right (which is getting weaker by the decade), yet a truer threat exists, yet there's much "freedom of their beliefs" and/or "we need to make nice". What else did the entire country of Denmark do to cause such outrage/threats?

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/mohhamad_tee_shirt.jpg


    It was/is a political satire cartoon.


    Outrage at Cartoons Still Tests the Danes - New York Times
     
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    Most people are upset that others get so upset about a political or religious cartoon.

    We are not a nation to go out on the streets to cheer when something goes wrong in their country.

    We are not fanatics, and some of those people are.
     
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    Simply put, this is why I don't live in a muslim country. I lived next door to a militant muslim several years ago. I knew he wouldn't approve of my lifestyle but he was never anything but courteous and kind to me, albeit distant. He knows he lives in a country where tolerance is supposed to be a way of life. If we were living in Saudi Arabia, it would be a different story.
     
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    Have you consulted most Americans about their level of outrage? Are you suggesting US bomb or invade somewhere - anywhere Muslims are (lurking with intent) would do for you I imagine?

    BTW, your use of nee is incorrect in this context - by proxy would perhaps be better, although no less generalised.
     
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    I suppose this is a preview of the fearmongering bullshit we have to look forward to in the run-up to November this year. :rolleyes:

    So, Mr. Faceking, now that you've sufficiently shocked and scared the hoi polloi out of its naively ethnocentric stupor, what course of action are you championing?

    Or were you just planning to shout fire! and gauge the reaction?
     
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    ...well I guess when you guys do it, it's called liberation...
     
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    I suppose that after centuries of exporting religion, syphilis, and poverty, we're lucky more people don't want to kill us.
     
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    Does the use of the gold star in your avatar mean you are a good muslim? If so why are you on this site and why do you have a video on youtube? Ohhh. that's right, this is a free country so you can do things like that without fear of death. Hmmm . . .
     
  9. dong20

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    One man's freedom fighter ...:cool:
     
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    You know that at some Saudi airfields the USAF used during both Iraqi wars, us female pilots (and ground staff too) had to obey their silly rules of no unaccompanied driving, separation of male and female quarters not only by rooms/tents, but also by putting these quarters up at divided places? You could be really lucky if your TDY took you to some of the more liberal emirates, but Saudi Arabia is pretty bad.
     
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    I have lived in a Muslim country for the last six years. All but one of my friends are Muslim. They don't want me and my life style dead. I don't feel threatened at all. Of course Bin Ladin and his friends want us all dead. They also feel the same about moderate Islam. No doubt they are crazy. Your xenophobic opinions are only helping them.

    All that said, even moderate Muslims are offended by a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad wearing a bomb-shaped turban. And I don't blame them. Sure the danish cartoonist's have a right to free speech. Why did they have to choose this subject to illustrate it? It smacks of the arrogant Northern European intolerance that I encounter all the time.

    btw- My brother got a bad beating from some rednecks in 1971, for wearing a US flag sewed to the back pocket of his jeans. Intolerance and stupidity knows no religious, ethnic or national boundaries. Jerks lurk everywhere.
     
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    Those rules are silly to us, not to them. It doesn't mean they are or aren't silly - it's all about perception.

    That must have made things difficult - operationally I mean?
     
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    What do you want "us" to do?
    No, he was correct. All muslims are born with the last name "bin Laden." Everyone knows that, silly.
    I'm putting my bets on the latter. That seems to be his modus operandum of choice.
     
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    I also find it disappointing that there does not seem to be more recognition that the jihadists are seeking destruction of everyone with whom they disagree and the imposition, by force, of their cruel laws on the world.

    Faceking, don't waste your time trying to reason with those smart-ass posters who bashed you. It just makes them feel important to snipe. They are also living examples of the type of person you are complaining about-people oblivious to the danger, who would rather throw rocks at you for bringing it up.

    The posters who have recounted actual experiences with individuals and/or governments that adhere to this ideology should be heeded. That is the real way of the world as they know.
     
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    So, it's Barack Hussein Obama - Bin Laden for president then.:biggrin1:











    Yes, I know ...
     
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    Another example of faceking bungling a topic. It could have been a good topic had it been presented better.

    The protests and demonstrations about the cartoons is simply absurd. Even if the fatalities are subtracted out, it's still absurd.

    faceking, I'm am aware that there are extremists that think I should be killed, due to my sexuality. It's in the back of my mind but it doesn't weigh on me. I don't hold that against all of the Islamic World.

    I won't ever visit a Moslem country. Not because of their extremists but because their "moderates" won't take a vocal stand against such extremists.
     
  17. vince

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    Millions of Turks were in the streets last year taking a stand against a very moderate "Islamic" political party.
     
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    An individual act of criminal behavior does not equate to a dogma that extolls subjugation of women, and cruelty, and claims that God requires it. Enough with the moral equivalency.
     
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    I will ask again, since nobody seems to have the cojones to face the question:
    What is the call to action?

    Let's assume, for the sake of discussion, that I've bought off on your assertion that there are legions of Muslims around the world who hate me and want me dead. What would you have us do?
     
  20. SteveHd

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    I'm not impressed. How many "millions" would protest against O.b.L. and his ilk?

    As for Turkey in general, I do have a mostly postive view of it. I would (kind of) consider visiting it.
     
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