Freedom To Hang Without Harrassment

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I'm learning that we may still be in the Victorian Age when it comes to regulations about the way males may appear naked in places like health clubs, beaches and campgrounds where nudity is permitted. Within my circle of friends and experiences, I found out there are real scenarios that aren't yet supported by management at some of these establishments. For example, it seems that some men's genitalia appear differently naturally depending on whether the body is cold and/or the mind is anxious or preoccupied with pressing thoughts as opposed to the body being warm and relaxed/the mind is not preoccupied with pressing thoughts. Some guys happen to have hair-trigger apparati that spring to attention in seconds or minutes from a warm shower, steam or whirlpool bath, without touching himself. Some guys may not be in a relationship and may be busy day and night with work and classes, watching TV, walking the dog, etc., and not have time to masturbate even once per week. Then one day when he finally gets a few minutes to go to a gym locker and get naked, the apparatus spring up instantly just from the act of being able to unwind by removing his clothing for a few minutes. Or he just awoke from a nap. Or the guy showering across the room is just too hot to control oneself. So - given scenarios like these, in a gym or school locker room or at a campground where nudity is permitted, is there ever a time when it is appropriate for a fellow patron to make a remark about another patron's hanging position either confrontationally to that person or to management? I have discovered that some establishments do think so. Now the question is, does that establishment have the right to remove a person from this facility on that basis? Does a male have any legal ground to stand on in his defense? Doesn't genitalia fall under the category of a body part, like a fat ass, excessively hairy back, tattoos or long hair? And if the shape of the genitalia is their concern, with something so incremental as an erection, who decides when that actually occurs? I am beginning to research these questions with the help of reps from the Human Rights Act. It could be that if these establishments are in business to the general public, in the same way Denny's Restaurants got in trouble for refusing to serve black patrons, they could be subject to regulations that protect one's gender - in this case, being male. Or if popping wood under these scenarios is statistically in the minority, then it could be blamed on a medical condition, or it could be blamed on just being youthful. I have consulted with biology books that confirm that erections can happen because of this reason or because of that reason, or even if the reason is "just because" (no reason). I believe some medical conditions are protected under the Human Rights Act.

The establishment can simply say, if it happens, wear a towel. And some places do have signs requiring wearing of suits or towels in certain areas of their locker rooms including steam rooms, whirlpools, wall-mounted air blowers and TV lounges. Ok, but what if a guy wants to shower, or change clothes? The towel has to come off and he might be seen. (Gasp). I maintain that males need to be protected against management that support patrons' claims of being offended. The patrons have a right to be offended and a right to complain - but I feel the management needs to tell them to mind their own business and look the other way, until it comes down to a hygienic issue, like urinating, spitting or ejaculating on the locker room floor. I have been grossed out by guys who blow their snot into the sinks, but haven't felt like complaining to management about it. Does any of this make sense? How would you approach management at a YMCA or health club in which someone reported your erection and now management wants to revoke your membership? Where is the line between applying soap to one's genitals for washing, and doing something wrong? This is a real life case that is currently going on from incidents at more than one gym or campground. Thanks for your response.
 
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no.... this does not make sense.... first of all, i think MOST of the general public can tell the difference between someone having a "spontaneous erection" (becuase it would be proper for someone in that case to NOT want to offend someone, so they will hide it, or at least turn the other way).

Your argument wants to almost support its ok to walk around rock hard at a YMCA.... that's great.... like we need more sexual predators in the locker rooms. If you are doing something that could be deemed as offensive (appearance of erection), even if its not hard, or wahtever... then you should at least show some respect for the people around you who don't want to see it. Ask if it bothers them or cover it up... simple as that.

2ndly, I don't think anyone will have a membership revoked solely on one person's claim/hearsay. If 20 people find your actions to be offensive, then why shouldn't management be able to throw your ass out. They have rules. follow them or leave... and if you are following them, and it still appears that you aren't, then you can explain your situation.

this really sounds like this is written by someone who wants to sit around hard all day watching guys in the locker room, and have the legal power to sit there and have management do nothing to them.

Unless there is significant proof.... (more than one witness, video, etc.) then something innocent like accidental wood while taking a shower shouldn't be taken to court... however i think that if your acquaintance is in court, then i'm sure it was for actions that were less innocent.

On a side note, i've gotten hard while taking a shower at the gym plenty of times, even while people were in there.... but it's called, turn away from them, and grab your towel and cover up. SImple as that..... don't walk around stroking it for everyone to see, and shit.

sorry i went on too long.... but i'm so sick of people f***ing following me around in the locker room when I go to use the sauna or steam room, that i have some built up anger at these epople.... and of course, its the people who need to be exercising the most, that come in to the gym, and sit in the sauna and steam room and exercise their eyes and nothing else.

i hope no one else reading this is supporting what he's actually trying to suggest.

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Thank you for your response, college22punk9. You say "They have rules." That's where the problem lies. Their rules are too vague in their handbooks. If many guys, including you, have gotten hard, and if we were all thrown out for this, they wouldn't have any members left. They need to define the difference between washing oneself and doing something wrong.
The bottom line is, if the Y supports those who report to management that they are offended by the way someone hangs, without that guy coming on to them, then they are guilty of being an establishment that supports harrassment, plain and simple. You made the leap from a guy being hard all day into being a sexual predator. This is a naive perception and it's wrong. Again, you must separate the way someone LOOKS from his ACTIONS (e.g. reaching for your cock without asking you first). So if he follows you, or walks around like that, it may be unfortuneate that he has nothing better to do, but he has the right to 1)be nude, 2)hang the way he's going to hang and 3)enter any part of the locker room that doesn't have a sign requiring him to cover up. This is about definitions of rules. He may be an icky character, if you want to describe him that way - and I've seen some myself - but he's got rights.
 

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I guess I am careful about how and where I let it hang. At a nude beach it's obviously OK. At a gym I think you got to be more descreet.