Fuck her in the pussy

[Betty_Cocker]

Actually what you call living in a world of fear is living in reality.

You are talking as if you are the one with your head in the sand. Only in a perfect world are men and women equal. Only in a perfect world can a woman effectively deal with drunken brutes who take a "harmless prank" that is mere words and harass her without fear of retribution.

I'm sorry. I fully disagree with you.

 

[jtm011]

Actually what you call living in a world of fear is living in reality.

So you admit you live in a world based on fear. Fear of what could potentially happen in the future, not what actually happened in real life.

You are talking as if you are the one with your head in the sand. Only in a perfect world are men and women equal.

Wrong. I view men and women as equal. Clearly you do not.

Do you even understand that concept? Because you focus on men and women being unequal, that is all you perceive. I view them as equal so I don't differentiate what is a woman's world or a man's world.

Only in a perfect world can a woman effectively deal with drunken brutes who take a "harmless prank" that is mere words and harass her without fear of retribution.

Didn't Shauna Hunt deal with these "brutes" effectively? Therefore, we live in a perfect world based on your assumption. Again, do you see where your logic is weak and flawed?

I'm sorry. I fully disagree with you.

You have every right to, but I've already disproven your argument from before.

What I don't think you fully grasp is the context in your mind is that of a world where men and women are unequal, women are weak and victimized by men. Isn't this the opposite of the women's movement? So why do you still hold onto these old paradigms? Nothing of the sort happened in the Shauna Hunt scenario. Your fear is what "could have happened".

 

[Fuzzy_]

Wrong. I view men and women as equal. Clearly you do not.

Do you even understand that concept?

Do you?

Vulnerable groups need more protection. Do you think that doctors the ER see husbands with bashed-in skulls and five broken bones? Husbands couldn't even be legally charged with raping their wives until the 90s.

Equality doesn't necessarily mean live and let live. Look at who has the political, social and economic power. Look at the roster or billionaires or the average federal politician. We live in a patriarchy where your idea of equality is impossible.

 

[jtm011]

Do you?

Yes I do.

Vulnerable groups need more protection.

You're absolutely right! :smile: Perhaps you would suggest Shauna Hunt wear a veil to protect herself and perhaps since she needs "more protection" she should be accompanied by a man everywhere she goes during interviews out on the street. After all you are suggesting that women are vulnerable and not men.

Do you think that doctors the ER see husbands with bashed-in skulls and five broken bones? Husbands couldn't even be legally charged with raping their wives until the 90s.

What the hell does that have to do with the original subject of this thread - a prank done on camera spouting a common saying? Please stick to the subject or start a new thread about husbands bashing their wives.

 

[Fuzzy_]

You're absolutely right! :smile: Perhaps you would suggest Shauna Hunt wear a veil to protect herself and perhaps since she needs "more protection" she should be accompanied by a man everywhere she goes during interviews out on the street. After all you are suggesting that women are vulnerable and not men.

How would men be vulnerable in a male-dominated society? Whoosh!

What the hell does that have to do with the original subject of this thread - a prank done on camera spouting a common saying? Please stick to the subject or start a new thread about husbands bashing their wives.

It's about a larger issue of what it's like to live in a patriarchy. It's a point that you're going to ignore because you just can't explain why there is more concern for battered wives than battered husbands. There's a reason why college campuses have blue lights. There's a reason why women need to guard their drinks in bars.

When a woman goes to a bar, she has to take precautions to avoid being raped; she has to a friend, a phone, cab money, etc. What do guys do to avoid being raped when they go out? We don't do anything.

And if she is raped, who will be blamed? Who will have to take the stand and try to convince a judge or jury that she's not a slut who asked for it?

These are not deflections; they are examples of what it's like for a woman to live in a patriarchy.

 

[jtm011]

How would men be vulnerable in a male-dominated society? Whoosh!

Again you're choosing to ignore (or your word "deflection") all my points which disprove your point.

So what you're saying is that men are not vulnerable at all because we are living in a "male-dominated society" and by inference you are agreeing that Shauna Hunt should wear a veil and be accompanied by a man everywhere she goes during interviews out on the street because she is very "vulnerable" and we live in a completely unsafe world where the streets are littered with bodies of raped and abused women everywhere.

It's about a larger issue of what it's like to live in a patriarchy. It's a point that you're going to ignore because you just can't explain why there is more concern for battered wives than battered husbands. There's a reason why college campuses have blue lights. There's a reason why women need to guard their drinks in bars.

When a woman goes to a bar, she has to take precautions to avoid being raped; she has to a friend, a phone, cab money, etc. What do guys do to avoid being raped when they go out? We don't do anything.

And if she is raped, who will be blamed? Who will have to take the stand and try to convince a judge or jury that she's not a slut who asked for it?

These are not deflections; they are examples of what it's like for a woman to live in a patriarchy.

What a scary world you live in within your mind, only focusing on the negative and the fear of what might happen. I didn't know Shauna Hunt was raped that day?

So again, I will repeat myself:

What the hell does that have to do with the original subject of this thread - a prank done on camera spouting a common saying? Please stick to the subject or start a new thread about husbands bashing their wives....or women getting drinks drugged in bars...or women getting raped.

 

[jtm011]

On this I will concede. Change two words.

First chink in that armour... :wink:

Incidentally, you're a bully.

 

[Fuzzy_]

Again you're choosing to ignore (or your word "deflection") all my points which disprove your point.

So what you're saying is that men are not vulnerable at all because we are living in a "male-dominated society" and by inference you are agreeing that Shauna Hunt should wear a veil and be accompanied by a man everywhere she goes during interviews out on the street because she is very "vulnerable" and we live in a completely unsafe world where the streets are littered with bodies of raped and abused women everywhere.

This site is for adults.

 

[jtm011]

This site is for adults.

Agreed, and yet your arguments disappear quickly once the holes of reality are poked through them. Is this all you have?

 

[Fuzzy_]

Agreed, and yet your arguments disappear once holes are poked through them. Is this all you have?

Trolololo

 

[jtm011]

Trolololo

Again with the personal attacks and insults. So again I ask you, is this all you have?

 

[Betty_Cocker]

So you admit you live in a world based on fear. Fear of what could potentially happen in the future, not what actually happened in real life.

no, I do not live in a world BASED on fear. But rather have a healthy respect for recognizing issues that promote misogyny. And I would argue that fear can be a result of what had actually happened in the past. Have you ever been raped? If you answer no. ...them you cannot truly understand that for some women, words like this can cause a physical reaction in them. Though fear is not the basis of life it is a part of what some women have to learn to live with.

Wrong. I view men and women as equal. Clearly you do not.

Mentally? Absolutely equal. Intellectually? Without a doubt. Emotionally? Yes, certainly.
Physically? No. It's rare to find.

Do you even understand that concept? Because you focus on men and women being unequal, that is all you perceive. I view them as equal so I don't differentiate what is a woman's world or a man's world.

Didn't Shauna Hunt deal with these "brutes" effectively? Therefore, we live in a perfect world based on your assumption. Again, do you see where your logic is weak and flawed?

:rofl: your world is obviously much more black/white than mine. My world has so much gray, we could go on forever. Shauna got the nod for standing up against it. But then she was on cam and being taped. You think anyone's going to push her against a wall (figuratively speaking) and get ugly wit her? Not on film. The issue about this "cool thing to do" is bigger than Shauna.

You have every right to, but I've already disproven your argument from before.

What I don't think you fully grasp is the context in your mind is that of a world where men and women are unequal, women are weak and victimized by men. Isn't this the opposite of the women's movement? So why do you still hold onto these old paradigms? Nothing of the sort happened in the Shauna Hunt scenario. Your fear is what "could have happened".

See previous comment.

Nice try. You don't know a thing about me. Please stop attempting to tell me what I think or feel.

This thread, IMO, was about awareness and how brazen or world had become with total lack of respect towards women.

 

[jtm011]

no, I do not live in a world BASED on fear. But rather have a healthy respect for recognizing issues that promote misogyny. And I would argue that fear can be a result of what had actually happened in the past. Have you ever been raped? If you answer no. ...them you cannot truly understand that for some women, words like this can cause a physical reaction in them. Though fear is not the basis of life it is a part of what some women have to learn to live with.

Are you suggesting that Shauna Hunt was raped in the subject matter of this thread? Are you suggesting that there was the threat of rape intended in the what happened in the video that is the subject matter of this thread? If not then you are living in a world of fear and "what might happen". And if not then please stick with the subject matter of this thread.

There is also the potential that you could rape me. Should that cloud every decision I make regarding my life? Or because I'm a man do you believe that men never get raped?

Mentally? Absolutely equal. Intellectually? Without a doubt. Emotionally? Yes, certainly. Physically? No. It's rare to find.

I can show you many physically weak men that could easily be beaten by women. Therefore your across the board generalizations don't hold water, particularly nowadays. This isn't the 1950's but the defenders of this thread make it seem like we still live in the dark ages.

your world is obviously much more black/white than mine. My world has so much gray, we could go on forever. Shauna got the nod for standing up against it. But then she was on cam and being taped. You think anyone's going to push her against a wall (figuratively speaking) and get ugly wit her? Not on film. The issue about this "cool thing to do" is bigger than Shauna.

On the contrary, I have shown you above where your examples are very "black/white". Can you give me ONE example of where someone shouted "Fuck her right in the pussy" and the newscaster was pushed against a wall...or raped....or physically assaulted? If not then you live in a phony world based on fear and "what might happen" not what actually did happen and therefore your argument falls to pieces.

 

[lofty01]

Incidentally, you're a bully.

yet your arguments disappear quickly once the holes of reality are poked through them. Is this all you have?

You took the words right out of my mouth...

 

[jtm011]

You took the words right out of my mouth...

Wow, what a comeback! And then the coward goes slinking away after he shoots his venom.

 

[temptotalk]

I've left you idiots for days now to fight among yourselves. I haven't said anything in this thread for days and yet AG08 you feel the need to insult me still?? Classless. Speaks volumes.

I would have expected more from a fellow Canadian and GTHA'er. Clearly not all Canadians are as polite as the world expects us to be.

All I see in this thread are two sides. Those who are most offended by this saying live in a world of fear where mere words turn into rape or sexual assault in their mind and these same people are the most intolerant of anyone else who holds any opinion not in lock step with them. This is the totalitarian, Big Brother, Nazi approach.

The other side pokes holes all through these people's fears and fabricated worries using rational logic and facts and they get insulted one after the other.

So...you mentioned nazi's, big brother and totalitarian and you don't think words could cause bad things to happen? Wait so you're advocating people's words be controlled while simultaneously bitching about your words being controlled.

I'm kind of confused. You've implied you were being bullied with words while expressing that others were over reacting to being bullied with words.

Let me try that again. You think words can't hurt. That they can't cause anything bad to happen to a person but you cry foul when someone uses words against you.

Once again with feeling. They are bullies and bad people for using words to insult and or make fun of you...but the guys that said something to the reporter/reporters are not because of reasons?

Help me out here. Are words not bad all the way around or are they only bad when someone lobs them at you?

 

[jtm011]

So...you mentioned nazi's, big brother and totalitarian and you don't think words could cause bad things to happen? Wait so you're advocating people's words be controlled while simultaneously bitching about your words being controlled.

I'm kind of confused. You've implied you were being bullied with words while expressing that others were over reacting to being bullied with words.

Let me try that again. You think words can't hurt. That they can't cause anything bad to happen to a person but you cry foul when someone uses words against you.

Once again with feeling. They are bullies and bad people for using words to insult and or make fun of you...but the guys that said something to the reporter/reporters are not because of reasons?

Help me out here. Are words not bad all the way around or are they only bad when someone lobs them at you?

Let me explain it again for the ones who don't bother reading posts or just want to pick on someone because they have nothing else better to do in their life.

1. I clearly stated that the words FHRITP were vulgar, rude and offensive. The pranksters were juvenile and morons. What part of that did you miss or did you just want to take a swing at me in the dark? If you missed it, go back and spend your time reading through this thread rather than just attacking.

2. The main issue is are these words and actions in and of itself a verbal prank or was it more, like a sexual assault against Shauna Hunt/could it have lead to more/is there reason to worry about this beyond a punk repeating a line from the Internet, i.e. was it the action that we saw caught on video or should we be concerned with what "might have been".

 

[deleted848353]

Wow, what a comeback! And then the coward goes slinking away after he shoots his venom.

I hate to tell u this loftys female

 

[jtm011]

I hate to tell u this loftys female

I had a feeling as I was typing it, but then I said why not let's have some fun. Thanks for the update Vereesa.

Although in the spirit of equality that I mentioned before all throughout this thread, does it really matter a person's gender? Does it make the content of what they wrote any different? I don't think so.

 

[temptotalk]

Let me explain it again for the ones who don't bother reading posts or just want to pick on someone because they have nothing else better to do in their life.

1. I clearly stated that the words FHRITP were vulgar, rude and offensive. The pranksters were juvenile and morons. What part of that did you miss or did you just want to take a swing at me in the dark? If you missed it, go back and spend your time reading through this thread rather than just attacking.

2. The main issue is are these words and actions in and of itself a verbal prank or was it more, like a sexual assault against Shauna Hunt/could it have lead to more/is there reason to worry about this beyond a punk repeating a line from the Internet, i.e. was it the action that we saw caught on video or should we be concerned with what "might have been".

Ummm i knew what you meant and said.

"This is the totalitarian, Big Brother, Nazi approach."

Is it? Or is it people disagreeing? I see you making a big deal of people disagreeing when you yourself are upset about people taking something too far.

And yeah a prank isn't defined by the person that does it. Not really. If my definition of a prank were to cut the breaks on someone's car (in this scenario i'm a psycho) then i don't think the family of the deceased would be laughing after i get tossed in the clink. Sure, thats an extreme example but hopefully you understand me.

And to be perfectly honest. Yeah it could have escalated. I've seen a lot and i mean a lot of stuff online when it comes to women being critical of men. The reaction from men online in that scenario usually equates to death threats. Then excuses for those death threats. Then men boycotting and generally trying to damage the lives of anyone that even remotely agree's with said women. So no, men like that no longer get that benefit of the doubt from me.

It isn't all men of course but enough to worry about. So long story short, yes it could have escalated to rape. All that would have been needed was that one guy with more than a few screws loose and the reporter to have acted in a way he didn't like.

And thats my opinion. Also, no i am not a nazi.